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hey MLS.... i seem to be banned on AV123 forum....any reason for this???
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hey MLS.... i seem to be banned on AV123 forum....any reason for this???

Well you were an unreasonable ******* for a good while there man..lol.

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hey MLS.... i seem to be banned on AV123 forum....any reason for this???

You have been waaaaaay too critical of MLS and AV123 these last few months (doesn't matter if its fair criticism or not).

I think you need to swear a blood oath to never, ever be critical of the great one. They are fast with the banning and deleting over there. You may have just gotten run over by one of their overzealous mods. I would send one of them a PM and beg for forgiveness and maybe they will let you back.
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They are fast with the banning and deleting over there.

Not like this site.

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Well, as the title says, this thread is for the "MFW-15 w/ new July amps".
Talk about that till your heart is content. If you want to talk about other speakers or subs from this company or if you wish to discuss AV123 or MLS, do so in a different thread. This is why we have thread titles after all.

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you have been waaaaaay too critical of mls and av123 these last few months (doesn't matter if its fair criticism or not).

I think you need to swear a blood oath to never, ever be critical of the great one. They are fast with the banning and deleting over there. You may have just gotten run over by one of their overzealous mods. I would send one of them a pm and beg for forgiveness and maybe they will let you back.

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Well, as the title says, this thread is for the "MFW-15 w/ new July amps".
Talk about that till your heart is content. If you want to talk about other speakers or subs from this company or if you wish to discuss AV123 or MLS, do so in a different thread. This is why we have thread titles after all.

I was the OP of a thread titled "Is it safe to buy dual MFWs". At the time there was no real feedback with the new amps, and I reluctantly went in another direction. With so many people receiving their replacement amps I'm wondering if the answer to my question is finally available? How about it, are these subs now everything they should be? Most posts seem to be positive, except for a few issues with tight clearances or maybe hum. Has MLS solved the problem? Given the great initial reviews I'm thinking these subs at the current sale price are a great deal. What say you owners? Considering you can get four (4!) MFWs for the price of a single Submersive it really seems tempting. Problem is, what to do with my dual LFM-1EXs.......


Hmm, maybe a poll?
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I was the OP of a thread titled "Is it safe to buy dual MFWs". At the time there was no real feedback with the new amps, and I reluctantly went in another direction. With so many people receiving their replacement amps I'm wondering if the answer to my question is finally available? How about it, are these subs now everything they should be? Most posts seem to be positive, except for a few issues with tight clearances or maybe hum. Has MLS solved the problem? Given the great initial reviews I'm thinking these subs at the current sale price are a great deal. What say you owners? Considering you can get four (4!) MFWs for the price of a single Submersive it really seems tempting. Problem is, what to do with my dual LFM-1EXs.......


Hmm, maybe a poll?

For sound quality alone, I would choose 1 submersive over 4 MFW-15's 100 out of 100 times. The MFW-15 is great for $500, but at 2k we are talking about a different level of sound "quality". If quantity is what you care about 4 MFW-15's would be an excellent choice. If you want the best sounding, better built sub the submersive is going to win.
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hey MLS.... i seem to be banned on AV123 forum....any reason for this???

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For sound quality alone, I would choose 1 submersive over 4 MFW-15's 100 out of 100 times. The MFW-15 is great for $500, but at 2k we are talking about a different level of sound "quality". If quantity is what you care about 4 MFW-15's would be an excellent choice. If you want the best sounding, better built sub the submersive is going to win.

OK, granted I haven't heard the majority of subs out there, but I have owned a few in my day. I think that sub sound "quality" has to be even more subjective than speaker sound quality, IMO. Not to start the whole "sealed versus ported" debate again, but why would you think that one sub would have it over another in "quality"? Can this position be backed up with measurements, or is it based on listening tests? If so, I should point out that the MFWs scored extremely well in the Craigsub listening tests, so what does that say? Very curious, that's all!
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The new amps work and the warranty has been raised to four years. In my opinion, if you need a sub buy an MFW15 quick before the prices go up on 9-1.
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OK, granted I haven't heard the majority of subs out there, but I have owned a few in my day. I think that sub sound "quality" has to be even more subjective than speaker sound quality, IMO. Not to start the whole "sealed versus ported" debate again, but why would you think that one sub would have it over another in "quality"? Can this position be backed up with measurements, or is it based on listening tests? If so, I should point out that the MFWs scored extremely well in the Craigsub listening tests, so what does that say? Very curious, that's all!

ok i'll chime in here since i HAVE heard the Submersive and..i have multiple mfw-15's

in my opinion, and this is only my opinion and i'm sure others will disagree...4 mfw 15's will beat out 1 submersive all day long. especially when we are talking over all SPL...now the submersive definitely dips lower, much lower, however, i would rather have multiple subs filling my room with no null spots than 1 sub (at 4 times the price)

overall, i'd say you really would be blown away with 2 mfw-15's. ... especially if you have good room accoustics to create sound pressure as well. the mfw15's definitely dip low enough for most users..and give TONS of tactile feel..you would not need buttkickers...let's put it that way
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didn't mark design both subs ?

maybe he's the one who should be asked which has better sound quality

from testimonials i've read from people who have owned almost every "big name" sub out there (ultra's conquests fathoms hsu etc.) and then switched to the submersive, 100% of the testimonials have been nothing but glowing happiness with their upgrade

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didn't mark design both subs ?

maybe he's the one who should be asked which has better sound quality

from testimonials i've read from people who have owned almost every "big name" sub out there (ultra's conquests fathoms hsu etc.) and then switched to the submersive, 100% of the testimonials have been nothing but glowing happiness with their upgrade

In post 19 at the link below Mark covers some aspects of the two. I think those comments combined with the testimonials I've seen and you speak of puts that aspect to rest. Not knocking the MFW, great sub. Got it, love it. But the Submersive is in a different class as it should be.


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I can't speak to the MFW-15 vs. the Submersive, but I can speak to it (MFW) vs. the Rythmik D15se Servo sub. The following opinion is based on pairs of MFWs vs Rythmiks, both equalized via Audyssey. For music, the Rythmik is better (and frankly the most musical sub I've owned) but the MFW is surprisingly close given the price difference. Subjectively, I'd say for music (tightness, articulation) the MFW is 90-93% as good as the Rythmik, which says a lot. For HT I'd rate both subs as equal, but different. The Rythmik was surprisingly powerful, extended, and produced LFE with accuracy I haven't heard previously. By comparison, the MFW didn't extend quite as deep as the Rythmik but from 20 hz up delivered more impact and dynamics. I went with the MFW over the Rythmiks primarily for cosmetics and dedicated HT (my main speakers are full range and don't need sub assist) and ultimately, I think I made a good decision given my circumstances.

From what I've read of the Submersive, I think a pair of 15" Rythmiks will provide similar performance and if one accepts this notion, I'd say if one's priority is music vs. HT, go with the Submersive. If the inverse is true and your budget is tight, go with a pair (or more) of MFW-15s. In the final analysis, I think you'll be satisfied either way.

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im having issues with one of the mfw15s, it 'burps' a few times while playing and then it shuts off. The amp light stays green, i can turn it off and on, it goes to red and back to green but no sound. Once I pull the power cord out, and put it back in, it starts playing again and then randomly at some point it shuts off again. With the rca pulled out, it randomly burps, behaves the same way. The other one has no such issues.
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Please read this important announcement from Mark L. Schifter, the Founder and President of av123/Rocket Loudspeakers and Perpetual Technologies:

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I can't speak to the MFW-15 vs. the Submersive, but I can speak to it (MFW) vs. the Rythmik D15se Servo sub. The following opinion is based on pairs of MFWs vs Rythmiks, both equalized via Audyssey. For music, the Rythmik is better (and frankly the most musical sub I've owned) but the MFW is surprisingly close given the price difference. Subjectively, I'd say for music (tightness, articulation) the MFW is 90-93% as good as the Rythmik, which says a lot. For HT I'd rate both subs as equal, but different. The Rythmik was surprisingly powerful, extended, and produced LFE with accuracy I haven't heard previously. By comparison, the MFW didn't extend quite as deep as the Rythmik but from 20 hz up delivered more impact and dynamics. I went with the MFW over the Rythmiks primarily for cosmetics and dedicated HT (my main speakers are full range and don't need sub assist) and ultimately, I think I made a good decision given my circumstances.

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A very informative opinion. Very beneficial and contributive. I like both of these subs (Rythmik 15s & MFW-15). The servo sealed and the vented slot. I would consider the Rythmik for accuracy, but my listening habits do lean more toward HT and I would prefer the slotted design. The only other sealed or slotted design I would consider is the Submersive and the Dynasty, but that is getting a bit large.
I frankly would have paid a few hundred more for the MFW just for some assurance of quality and service support for the future, but now I have a moral issue with this purchase decision that can't be overcome as things currently stand.
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In the interests of no negativity I will say positively that I have been banned as well...
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Well guess I'll get this thread back on topic.......

Tonight I just placed an order for (2) MFW-15s in satin black and I'm extremely excited! What makes it even sweeter is that it's an early b-day present from my wife!

Mark, the website says "ETD Oct," Is that accurate or will they be shipped sooner? I can't wait to get these home! Thanks.


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Well guess I'll get this thread back on topic.......

Tonight I just placed an order for (2) MFW-15s in satin black and I'm extremely excited! What makes it even sweeter is that it's an early b-day present from my wife!

Mark, the website says "ETD Oct," Is that accurate or will they be shipped sooner? I can't wait to get these home! Thanks.


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Congratulations on your order Chris. I hope you can get them before October. Regardless, I look forward to your opinion of them once they arrive.

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A very informative opinion. Very beneficial and contributive. I like both of these subs (Rythmik 15s & MFW-15). The servo sealed and the vented slot. I would consider the Rythmik for accuracy, but my listening habits do lean more toward HT and I would prefer the slotted design. The only other sealed or slotted design I would consider is the Submersive and the Dynasty, but that is getting a bit large.
I frankly would have paid a few hundred more for the MFW just for some assurance of quality and service support for the future, but now I have a moral issue with this purchase decision that can't be overcome as things currently stand.
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Thank you for your kind words! I respect your opinion about your purchase decision and the good news is that you have several options from other vendors within the MFW's price range.

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Well guess I'll get this thread back on topic.......

Tonight I just placed an order for (2) MFW-15s in satin black and I'm extremely excited! What makes it even sweeter is that it's an early b-day present from my wife!

Mark, the website says "ETD Oct," Is that accurate or will they be shipped sooner? I can't wait to get these home! Thanks.


-Chris Musngi

Hello Chris...

We have 144 new Satin Black MFW-15's on the way... Given shipment timing - the potential for Customs Inspection - and the general knowledge we have gleaned re shipment delivery (Houston to Denver)... we are fully confident of October...

There are still just under 90 available from that shipment as of this morning...

Thanks for your order (please thank you wife for us) and Happy B Day...

All the best...

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