Originally Posted by countryWV
Does anyone who has the powered cap 4000 or the new 2400 have any comments toward the overall performance. I would think that with the speaker power amp, DSP, and Jeffs magic would make it impossible to duplicate the total perfomance and would not be able to be equalled with another version of aftermarket amp with DSP.
I guess what I am asking is why the passive cap? I understand money????
other than that it seems like it would have "one arm tied behind its back"
I dont see anyone buying a passive cap then spending more money on an amp than the one that comes with the powered version. Unless you count people who buy multiple amps because they are not satisfied with the first.
Has anyone who has a passive cap done their own way have any experience with a powered cap 4000 or 2400?
Has anyone with a powered cap have any experience with a passive version
Other than to save $$$$$ why?
everyword above is to be asked as a question and not of disrespect of powered verses passive
thanks for the time and I appreciate any answers given
Originally Posted by mastermaybe
Very reasonable question.
And sorry, I have yet to have direct, personal experience with a powered Cap in my room, but I would put it like this:
Powered version: $2500
Cost of an amplifier capable of delivering 2,000+ watts: 3-$400.
Total $ difference: 6-$700.
Now I realize there is also some "custom" optimization with the powered version's amplifier, but I achieve fantastic results with the Audyssey XT32 in my AVR.
Seeing that this is a high-end subwoofer, I think it's safe to assume many/most will be using it with a high/higher end AVR/PRE-PRO/EQ and can achieve similar results with their RC system/manual EQ.
I also do not discount that you leave ~3 db's on the table with a "lesser" powered external amp, but I suppose that's only of importance if you: A. have a particularly LARGE room or, B. you're looking for 125+db bass in smaller/med sized rooms.
I for instance have one in my 15x17 living room open to the rest of the house (about 3500^3) and I still hit 120+dbs at the MLP.
At the end of the day, the extra 6-$700 expenditure is your choice, of course. Personally, I have zero regrets pocketing the cash...it just puts me that much closer to a second, lol.
The output capabilities of mine are still absolutely absurd and I can only imagine what a second- properly placed- will do.
Good luck, these are "nice" problems to have, for sure.
Originally Posted by countryWV
very good answer.
For a $700 savings you are satisfied and would put that money towards a second passive cap to have dual caps done at a reasonable price. excellent plan.
Do you think that if you had a powered cap for 30-60 days to get fully accustomed to its limits and trimming it into your own system, than came home one day to find it had been replaced with your current passive cap and amp setup, would you feel the same?
That is my million dollar question.[or at least $2500]
It seems like any complaints come from the passive owners.
thanks James for your thoughts. Owners answers are gold around here.
please other owners contribute your thoughts
one last thing
If someone had a passive cap and was dissatisfied would the next logical step be to go powered cap and can Jeff turn passive into powered i think he can?
For me, it was a cost/flexibility issue. But my setup is a bit different.
James, I included your quote here only so I could let you know my second pair of Caps will be here tomorrow. Maybe now I'll have the balance I'm looking for.
Chris, my setup is music-only and is intended to be played loud. I'm running T12-HTs and a pair of passive Captivators (will be quad passives tomorrow - YAAAAY!!!!), driven by multiple Crown XLS5000 amps and stand-alone processing. Quad powered Caps (*with DSP*) would be $11,200 (the 2011 model was $2800 as I recall) before discounts for multiples. Then you'd still
need a receiver or other processing to integrate them into the room (in my case about $300 - whether a stand-alone or a receiver, this is a required cost regardless of powered or passive) because the on-board DSP of the powered version only deals with the response of the unit at the ground plane.
In contrast, quad passives run $6000, excluding discounts for multiples (which would be the same discount as powered). Add $1200 for amps (in my case) and ignore the $300 for the processor, since I'd have to have had it anyway, and you're at $7200.
Two ways to look at it. One is that the powered subs are EQed for themselves already, and the only EQ I have to do is to compensate for the room. The other is that I have to compensate anyway, and the DSP may or may not aid in acheiving the desired result.
So I saved over $4k. Now in a different application, the powered version may be a steal. I'm not there.