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post #4831 of 4860 Old 04-10-2015, 04:34 AM
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I think Jeff stated earlier the difference is less than 2dB.

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I think Jeff stated earlier the difference is less than 2dB.
Which would be unnoticeable in any real world listening. Fwiw
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If I'll never use the Captivator 2400's extra output advantage over the 1400, how would the 2 compare performance wise?

There isn't any audible difference. It's the same high quality cabinetry and driver.

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Which would be unnoticeable in any real world listening. Fwiw
At normal volumes, I'd agree, but at very high volumes, I find even a 1dB increase is a very noticeable difference. If you think about volume in terms of weight, a normal listening volume is like holding a 1 gram weight on your hand. Increasing it to 2 grams (3dB more) will be hardly noticeable. At a very high volume, it is like holding a 20 pound weight on your hand. 1dB is about a 21% increase in acoustical energy. You *will* feel the difference if you add 21% more weight on a 20 pound dumbbell.
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Pretty good analogy.
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Question on power for the amps: My dedicated space has two 20amp circuits, one for the lights and the second for outlets. All of my gear (receiver, etc.) is outside room on another circuit so the only thing in the room running off the 20amp for outlets is my projector and the power to my reclining chairs. Should this 20amp be enough for a pair of ported Caps (1400) or pair of S2's or will I need to have the electrician out to run another 20amp?

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I would run at least one more 20A line. But if your going to have an electrician come out and do one, just have him run two. Always best to future proof and technically the sp4000 can pull more than 20A at a time. You could probably get by with two S2's on a single 20A line but two S2's and a projector on a single 20A line is not a good idea.
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I would run at least one more 20A line. But if your going to have an electrician come out and do one, just have him run two. Always best to future proof and technically the sp4000 can pull more than 20A at a time. You could probably get by with two S2's on a single 20A line but two S2's and a projector on a single 20A line is not a good idea.
Good to know. Thanks. How about the balanced inputs on the S2's? That was the other thing I'm unsure of. Would I be ok with two existing RCA runs (from Onkyo 3008) to the subs and just use an RCA to XLR adapter from Parts Express?

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Question on power for the amps: My dedicated space has two 20amp circuits, one for the lights and the second for outlets. All of my gear (receiver, etc.) is outside room on another circuit so the only thing in the room running off the 20amp for outlets is my projector and the power to my reclining chairs. Should this 20amp be enough for a pair of ported Caps (1400) or pair of S2's or will I need to have the electrician out to run another 20amp?

going back and looking at your theater thread.....Wow! You have a beautiful home! I saw where you said you wanted to go sealed. I say go for it! Two captivator S2's would be nice in your room. I just finished tuning a theater that has two of them and they rock! I used to own one too and loved it. You could lay them down in front in between your speakers unless you want one up front and one in back if it fits behind your seats. Each s2 should have as much output if not a little more than the cap1400 and way much more below port tune.
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Good to know. Thanks. How about the balanced inputs on the S2's? That was the other thing I'm unsure of. Would I be ok with two existing RCA runs (from Onkyo 3008) to the subs and just use an RCA to XLR adapter from Parts Express?

Yes. You will be perfectly fine doing that. I use to do the same thing. I just realized that you are in south Texas. Where exactly?
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going back and looking at your theater thread.....Wow! You have a beautiful home! I saw where you said you wanted to go sealed. I say go for it! Two captivator S2's would be nice in your room. I just finished tuning a theater that has two of them and they rock! I used to own one too and loved it. You could lay them down in front in between your speakers unless you want one up front and one in back if it fits behind your seats. Each s2 should have as much output if not a little more than the cap1400 and way much more below port tune.

Thanks. I'm in Rio Grande Valley. Yeah I'm torn between a pair of ported Caps or the pair of S2's. My room's on slab but I have a riser at the rear half of the room (not sand filled but OC filled). I'm not even sure if I'd experience any of the sub 15hz with my room. The room has 2 in concrete exterior on two of the four walls and the room is sealed with the exception of two 4x6 windows covered by 2in acoustic panels. Thoughts?

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Thanks. I'm in Rio Grande Valley. Yeah I'm torn between a pair of ported Caps or the pair of S2's. My room's on slab but I have a riser at the rear half of the room (not sand filled but OC filled). I'm not even sure if I'd experience any of the sub 15hz with my room. The room has 2 in concrete exterior on two of the four walls and the room is sealed with the exception of two 4x6 windows covered by 2in acoustic panels. Thoughts?
Sent you a PM. I don't want to get carried away in this thread.
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I am very much interested to get hands on one of these.
To save shipping on group orders of 4 or more, anybody in and around LA interested to group order..?
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I am very much interested to get hands on one of these.
To save shipping on group orders of 4 or more, anybody in and around LA interested to group order..?

I also live in Los Angeles and am interested in two JTR Cap-1400's to go with my Danley DTS-10.

I was thinking about pricing it with Rosenut veneer which I believe is approx. $200+ more. I was also interested in the 220v version as I have four dedicated 20a/110v circuits at the sub location and could easily rewire it to two 20a/220v circuits if that would improve the Cap 1400's performance. I already sent an email to JTR on Friday and will ask about a group order when they get back to me.

JTR specifies that to save $150 (each) on shipping you'd need to ship 4 or more to the same address. That means he's probably shipping Limited Truck Load. LTL Services are generally available for freight that fits on one pallet and up to 10,000 pounds. Four to ??? Captivators in a Los Angeles group buy at 30" tall, 20" wide and 22.5" deep (before packaging) would be a lot to show up in someone's residential driveway midday during the week. My family owns a factory next to the Van Nuys Airport with a freight bay and forklifts for pallets. It might make a good drop off location for people to pick up their Captivators after they get off work. There is also a locked storage area if someone can't pick it up the same day the freight truck arrives.

The $1,599 sale goes until May 15th. Is there any one else in the SoCal / Greater Los Angeles area interested in a Group Buy?

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I may be interested in a group buy in socal / LA , will be in for 1 if ever. Let me know. Thanks !
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Quad Cap S1's have arrived

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Quad Cap S1's have arrived

Excellent Rob.

Do you have any placement plans yet? Are you going to be using REW to help with placement?

Would be nice to see some REW frequency and waterfall charts of one S1 vs two vs three and then four S1's working.

Very interested in hearing your opinion/comparison against your 2 SVS PB13 Ultras (for both 2 S1 vs 2 Ultras and then also 4 S1 vs 2 Ultras)

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Nice!

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Excellent Rob.

Do you have any placement plans yet? Are you going to be using REW to help with placement?

Would be nice to see some REW frequency and waterfall charts of one S1 vs two vs three and then four S1's working.

Very interested in hearing your opinion/comparison against your 2 SVS PB13 Ultras (for both 2 S1 vs 2 Ultras and then also 4 S1 vs 2 Ultras)

I plan on placing them at the screen wall and opposite wall behind the seating nearfield. The room is 14x15 (2000 cu ft) and there are few placement options. So far I've installed a pair up front, ran a quick XT32 and bumped up the subs 5dB hot. I haven't been able to demo much because I've been busy but I can already feel a tactile improvement over the ultras. The punchiness of the mid bass is also incredible with these.

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The Speaker Power amp has a "PGM SEL" button.. Anyone know what position it should be in? My amps came with them set in different positions so I'm not sure if there is a default. The amp is the SP1-4000 used on the S2's (running master-slave setup).

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That's just badass!
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How's the quad Caps goin for you Rob?
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Does anyone in the Toronto area own a ported Captivator 1400/2400/4000? I'll be hosting a GTG early September and would love to have this "reference" sub attend the ported shootout!

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Some updates to the Cap S1 & S2:
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The Captivator S1 and S2 have been redesigned with a larger cabinet (18" deep ve 16.25") and an all new 18" driver with 33mm of Xmax (one way) that is more efficient and lower distortion. New pictures will be posted soon.
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Nice! What are the differences as far as performance goes other than less distortion?
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The driver and cabient are completely redesigned for more output, lower extension, less distortion and improved sound quality.
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Is this the newest version or the older version? I really hope this is the newer version so we can hear your opinion on it.
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Is this the newest version or the older version? I really hope this is the newer version so we can hear your opinion on it.
He has the new woofers. You can tell by the carbonfiber dust caps.
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I thought that they looked different.
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