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The woofers and port are on a 20.5" x 40" side (front) and the amplifier would be on the back. Most people will want to install it sideways in their home theaters which is best because it eliminates the baffle step.
So if it's installed sideways is the depth (how much it sticks out from a wall) only 20.5" and the drivers would not be facing into the room...do I understand correctly?

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So if it's installed sideways is the depth (how much it sticks out from a wall) only 20.5" and the drivers would not be facing into the room...do I understand correctly?

Yes, sir. The woofers are facing in the room just not at the listening position.
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Got it now....thanks. I've always planned on adding sub in the back of my room, was considering a 3rd 1400 but the 218 seems like the better deal with the price and having 2 18's....how can I resist. Should be able to blend it with the 2 1400's pretty seamlessly.

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Agreed. Nice review. Interested to hear comparison to the upcoming 1400 review.

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Great review, @JimWilson ! Really thorough and well worded. That S1 sure looks like a beast.

FYI, a couple (?) of years ago, your review of the Dayton Audio Sub-1200 was a deciding factor of me diving into the subwoofer niche (edit: rabbit hole is better suited).
Well, I've upgraded from it a couple of times, so I guess I should thank you for leading me down this road. My wife is on board too (somewhat of a basshead herself). My wallet doesn't like you very much.

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Great review, @JimWilson! Really thorough and well worded. That S1 sure looks like a beast.

FYI, a couple (?) of years ago, your review of the Dayton Audio Sub-1200 was a deciding factor of me diving into the subwoofer niche (edit: rabbit hole is better suited).
Well, I've upgraded from it a couple of times, so I guess I should thank you for leading me down this road. My wife is on board too (somewhat of a basshead herself). My wallet doesn't like you very much.
So I'm confused, are you saying thank you or #$%^ you?

It's a good thing your wife is on board, otherwise it would be the couch for you! If I may ask, what did you upgrade to? And is the S1 in your future now?

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So I'm confused, are you saying thank you or #$%^ you?

It's a good thing your wife is on board, otherwise it would be the couch for you! If I may ask, what did you upgrade to? And is the S1 in your future now?
A big thank you, of course.

She still isn't the most supportive when it comes to the prices, but alas, she enjoys the setup quite a bit.

I went from a Onkyo sub (HTiB) to the Dayton Sub1200. After that, I upgraded to a PSA XS30se and then to dual S3000i.

As for the S1,I would love a JTR sub, but I think that the DIY bug has bitten me.

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I went from a Onkyo sub (HTiB) to the Dayton Sub1200. After that, I upgraded to a PSA XS30se and then to dual S3000i.

As for the S1,I would love a JTR sub, but I think that the DIY bug has bitten me.
It's going to take some work to top dual S3000's, but one thing is for certain; you have upgradeitis bad!

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It's going to take some work to top dual S3000's, but one thing is for certain; you have upgradeitis bad!

Well, mathematically the 18" subwoofer driver in the Captivator S1 can displace as much two 15" subwoofers with 25mm of xmax (most competitors 15" have 15-17mm). Plus, the Captivator S1 has a 2400 watt amplifier (as rated by SpeakerPower) vs a 1400 watt amplifier (as rated by Ice Power and SpeakerPower).
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Well, mathematically the 18" subwoofer driver in the Captivator S1 can displace as much two 15" subwoofers with 25mm of xmas (most competitors 15" have 15-17mm). Plus, the Captivator S1 has a 2400 watt amplifier (as rated by SpeakerPower) vs a 1400 watt amplifier (as rated by Ice Power and SpeakerPower).
Is it Christmas already???

He currently has dual S3000's, so that's four 15" drivers. Sounds like he's going to take a stab at DIY though, but the S1 analog still has merit; that should give him an idea of what he'll need to duplicate in order to best what he has now.

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Well, mathematically the 18" subwoofer driver in the Captivator S1 can displace as much two 15" subwoofers with 25mm of xmax (most competitors 15" have 15-17mm). Plus, the Captivator S1 has a 2400 watt amplifier (as rated by SpeakerPower) vs a 1400 watt amplifier (as rated by Ice Power and SpeakerPower).
I know my moneys on a Cap S1 to gun down a S3000i. But then again two completely difference price ranges.

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S2......problem solved. lol


The S2 was the best ID sub I have ever owned or heard hands down! That sub was a beast and I miss it dearly.
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S2......problem solved. lol

The S2 was the best ID sub I have ever owned or heard hands down! That sub was a beast and I miss it dearly.
It's funny you mention the S2... Jeff brought those to a GTG I attended, which was the first time I had heard them. It was at that moment where I approached him about a review of the S1.

But looking at the thing you could guess some of what was to come. You know what really shocked me? The Single 8. I was outside drinking a few cold ones when he fired those up, and you could hear them clear as day! No distortion whatsoever, even though they were being Jeff'ed (that's an adjective meaning "cranked to the Spinal Tap level").
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I know my moneys on a Cap S1 to gun down a S3000i. But then again two completely difference price ranges.
The Captivator S1 driver can displace 7924 cc (1200 x 6.6cm (33mm xmax each way)). For a point of reference, the Eminence Lab15 can only displace 1945 cc (823 x 2.36cm (11.8mm xmax each way)). This means the S1 driver can displace 4.1 times more than the Lab15.
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The Captivator S1 driver can displace 7924 cc (1200 x 6.6cm (33mm xmax each way)). For a point of reference, the Eminence Lab15 can only displace 1945 cc (823 x 2.36cm (11.8mm xmax each way)). This means the S1 driver can displace 4.1 times more than the Lab15.
On the other hand, back calculating the passing CEA2010 results for the XS15SE, the driver is delivering approximately 17mm of throw from 20Hz on down, and approximately 22mm of throw between 25-40Hz. I'd note this calc is probably a little conservative as well, as air density is standardized to 70 degrees F at sea level. Real world, the temp was 82F, and mum is the word on humidity and elevation (presumably above sea level), all of which will reduce air density, and require more stroke for X amount of dB. Either way, the results aren't exactly what one would expect from a driver with a rated xmax of 11.8mm.
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The Captivator S1 driver can displace 7924 cc (1200 x 6.6cm (33mm xmax each way)). For a point of reference, the Eminence Lab15 can only displace 1945 cc (823 x 2.36cm (11.8mm xmax each way)). This means the S1 driver can displace 4.1 times more than the Lab15.
Since your are replying to a quote regarding our products I'm sure you don't mind me correcting some errors Jeff.

1)The Lab15 xmax ratings that you quote are simple coil ratios. The true xmax of these designs are much higher. These ratings are done in the same manner that PE rates the xmax on their Dayton woofs. You know this as does every casual DIYer around. (Voice Coil Length - Height of the Magnetic Gap) / 2.
Anyone following along---go look at the databass comments regarding this method versus the true xmax of the driver..

2)No OEM that I know of using the "lab15" as their foundation keeps the xmax "stock" anyway. So I'm not sure why you would even quote that specification. It really has nothing to do with our drivers as nearly the entire motor(including the coil) is custom to our specifications.

If you're going to make specific comments about our products I'm sure you want to offer correct information. We never disclose specific T/S specifications but even assuming a relatively modest 20-21mm...the difference is about 15%? Worth noting I suppose but certainly nothing close to a 400% as claimed.



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On the other hand, back calculating the passing CEA2010 results for the XS15SE, the driver is delivering approximately 17mm of throw from 20Hz on down, and approximately 22mm of throw between 25-40Hz. I'd note this calc is probably a little conservative as well, as air density is standardized to 70 degrees F at sea level. Real world, the temp was 82F, and mum is the word on humidity and elevation (presumably above sea level), all of which will reduce air density, and require more stroke for X amount of dB. Either way, the results aren't exactly what one would expect from a driver with a rated xmax of 11.8mm.
I had no idea about this. Very interesting.

So, living in Albuquerque (about 5,000 feet above sea level) has an impact on the performance of my subs? Is that correct to assume?

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Since your are replying to a quote regarding our products I'm sure you don't mind me correcting some errors Jeff.

1)The Lab15 xmax ratings that you quote are simple coil ratios. The true xmax of these designs are much higher. These ratings are done in the same manner that PE rates the xmax on their Dayton woofs. You know this as does every casual DIYer around. (Voice Coil Length - Height of the Magnetic Gap) / 2.
Anyone following along---go look at the databass comments regarding this method versus the true xmax of the driver..

2)No OEM that I know of using the "lab15" as their foundation keeps the xmax "stock" anyway. So I'm not sure why you would even quote that specification. It really has nothing to do with our drivers as nearly the entire motor(including the coil) is custom to our specifications.

If you're going to make specific comments about our products I'm sure you want to offer correct information. We never disclose specific T/S specifications but even assuming a relatively modest 20-21mm...the difference is about 15%? Worth noting I suppose but certainly nothing close to a 400% as claimed.



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Your product was mentioned in a post that I had quote however I was not commenting about your product. I was simply using the Lab15 as a point of reference.
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I had no idea about this. Very interesting.

So, living in Albuquerque (about 5,000 feet above sea level) has an impact on the performance of my subs? Is that correct to assume?
It is. If you moved to a well air-conditioned home in Death Valley, you might be able to achieve a modest increase in output
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For anyone who may be interested, I just posted a review on the Cap S1. It can be accessed using this link. If you have any questions please let me know.
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^^ That CF dust cap is a really nice touch..... Please send me 6 so I can replace all the drivers in my S2's
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Man that's a beefy driver! I love it.
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And while you at it, send me 8 so I can replace mines as well..
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You have three S2's?! How big is your room?

Yep.. I had 2 but needed a 3rd for a CC stand when I rotated the room 90deg. to fit the AT screen.. The room comes in at a whopping 842cubes. It's a ton of fun... especially since it's on a suspended floor, as well.


Btw, your review of the S1 was superb. I'm ashamed to say that it was the first review of yours that I've read... I'll be tuning in from now on, for sure!
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And while you at it, send me 8 so I can replace mines as well..

Ah come on, Rhed.. no need to replace all of those when you can just order 4 more S2's!
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Yep.. I had 2 but needed a 3rd for a CC stand when I rotated the room 90deg. to fit the AT screen.. The room comes in at a whopping 842cubes. It's a ton of fun... especially since it's on a suspended floor, as well.
Square feet or cubic feet? Surely you can't have 5x what I evaluated in a room less than half the size of mine, could you?


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Lol, cubic feet.. the room is about 13'x8.5'.. and that's being generous.. There are angled ceilings on either end that cut into the space, giving me ~840cubes.


Yeah, I had a feeling you'd be a bit impressed.. I know I was.. I look forward to your next review. Is Jeff sending you an OS??
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Lol, cubic feet.. the room is about 13'x8.5'.. and that's being generous.. There are angled ceilings on either end that cut into the space, giving me ~840cubes.
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