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Great review Mr. Wilson. I have about 9000 cubic ft of space to fill. I don't listen at reference levels. My budget allows for 1 jtr captivator 1400 or 2 jtr captivator 118ht. What do you think would be best for my situation?
If you have freedom to place the subs where they would work the best then a pair of the 118's is a compelling choice. That would help fill in nulls and also smooth out the response where people are sitting. You have a large area, so output will be your friend.

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I'm been thinking about re-introducing the Captivator 2400 however I would like to make it larger to fill the gap between the 1400 and the 4000.

What do you think about size?
I could do 34" wide (or tall) x 22.5-24" deep and 26-28" tall (or wide).

What do you think about tuning?
Captivator 1400 tuned to 17hz and the 4000 is tuned to 10hz.
The lower the tuning than the less output. I'm thinking about splitting the difference and tune it to 14hz.
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In general I like taller rather then wider unless stacking.
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I'm been thinking about re-introducing the Captivator 2400 however I would like to make it larger to fill the gap between the 1400 and the 4000.

What do you think about size?
I could do 34" wide (or tall) x 22.5-24" deep and 26-28" tall (or wide).

What do you think about tuning?
Captivator 1400 tuned to 17hz and the 4000 is tuned to 10hz.
The lower the tuning than the less output. I'm thinking about splitting the difference and tune it to 14hz.
That would be interesting. You also mentioned changing the form factor of the 1400 previously. Would you maybe change up the form so you have a variety of options? Maybe do the 2400 low and long a la the PB13/16U?

Also, what price point would the 2400 be at? Split the difference between the 1400/4K again?

I think you would want to fill several "holes" as the 118/1400/218/4K already present a pretty impressive product lineup for vented subs.
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I'm been thinking about re-introducing the Captivator 2400 however I would like to make it larger to fill the gap between the 1400 and the 4000.

What do you think about size?
I could do 34" wide (or tall) x 22.5-24" deep and 26-28" tall (or wide).

What do you think about tuning?
Captivator 1400 tuned to 17hz and the 4000 is tuned to 10hz.
The lower the tuning than the less output. I'm thinking about splitting the difference and tune it to 14hz.
In terms of depth 24" seems OK but I can really go up to 26" (as I've learned from the VTF-15H MK2). The 30.9" depth of the PB16-Ultra is really turning me off because of my room limitations and placement issues. Width-wise I can go up to 30". Tall-wise I can go as high as the ceiling so I'd rather see it go tall than wide. Right now my subwoofers are directly to the left and right of my tv stand. My only concern is what am I going to do if I one day buy a huge display (75"+) and it no longer can fit because I have huge subwoofers in the way. When I was thinking about this while planning to buy a pair of Cap 1400s my solution was going to be to just lay them on their sides (hence my 30" width limit). If I win the lottery and buy a bigger house all of that goes out the window and I'm going directly to quad Cap 4000s with some Cap 2400s sprinkled in there for giggles.

14Hz sounds like a good tuning point. That's what the PB16-Ultra is tuned at right?

As far as price point I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and say $2499.

Glad I waited. Can't wait to see what you come up with.

BTW, what was the specs of the original Captivator 2400? I'm not too familiar with it.

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In terms of depth 24" seems OK but I can really go up to 26" (as I've learned from the VTF-15H MK2). The 30.9" depth of the PB16-Ultra is really turning me off because of my room limitations and placement issues. Width-wise I can go up to 30". Tall-wise I can go as high as the ceiling so I'd rather see it go tall than wide. Right now my subwoofers are directly to the left and right of my tv stand. My only concern is what am I going to do if I one day buy a huge display (75"+) and it no longer can fit because I have huge subwoofers in the way. When I was thinking about this while planning to buy a pair of Cap 1400s my solution was going to be to just lay them on their sides (hence my 30" width limit). If I win the lottery and buy a bigger house all of that goes out the window and I'm going directly to quad Cap 4000s with some Cap 2400s sprinkled in there for giggles.

14Hz sounds like a good tuning point. That's what the PB16-Ultra is tuned at right?

As far as price point I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and say $2499.

Glad I waited. Can't wait to see what you come up with.

BTW, what was the specs of the original Captivator 2400? I'm not too familiar with it.
Question...when you guys are hooking up your Caps on runs of 50-75 feet, do you prefer to run RCA or balanced? Think it matters?

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Question...when you guys are hooking up your Caps on runs of 50-75 feet, do you prefer to run RCA or balanced? Think it matters?



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IMO if you can go xlr then do that since the only downside is the extra cost for the cable, which last I looked was a negligible amount.
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That would be interesting. You also mentioned changing the form factor of the 1400 previously. Would you maybe change up the form so you have a variety of options? Maybe do the 2400 low and long a la the PB13/16U?

Also, what price point would the 2400 be at? Split the difference between the 1400/4K again?

I think you would want to fill several "holes" as the 118/1400/218/4K already present a pretty impressive product lineup for vented subs.
It would be like the 1400 where you can install it upright or sideways. Yes, price would be halfway between the 1400 and 4000.

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In terms of depth 24" seems OK but I can really go up to 26" (as I've learned from the VTF-15H MK2). The 30.9" depth of the PB16-Ultra is really turning me off because of my room limitations and placement issues. Width-wise I can go up to 30". Tall-wise I can go as high as the ceiling so I'd rather see it go tall than wide. Right now my subwoofers are directly to the left and right of my tv stand. My only concern is what am I going to do if I one day buy a huge display (75"+) and it no longer can fit because I have huge subwoofers in the way. When I was thinking about this while planning to buy a pair of Cap 1400s my solution was going to be to just lay them on their sides (hence my 30" width limit). If I win the lottery and buy a bigger house all of that goes out the window and I'm going directly to quad Cap 4000s with some Cap 2400s sprinkled in there for giggles.

14Hz sounds like a good tuning point. That's what the PB16-Ultra is tuned at right?

As far as price point I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and say $2499.

Glad I waited. Can't wait to see what you come up with.

BTW, what was the specs of the original Captivator 2400? I'm not too familiar with it.
Thank you for the input. The original 2400 was the same as the 1400 but had a 2400 watt amplifier and cost more.

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Question...when you guys are hooking up your Caps on runs of 50-75 feet, do you prefer to run RCA or balanced? Think it matters?

Thanks,
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XLR, balanced would be much better than RCA.
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I just put up my dual JTR Captivator S2's in the for sale section if anyone's interested.
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Question...when you guys are hooking up your Caps on runs of 50-75 feet, do you prefer to run RCA or balanced? Think it matters?

Thanks,
Chad
As Jeff and DotJun already mentioned, XLR is king for runs that long. There was someone in the SVS 16 Ultra thread that using the same setup/location/cables between his 13 Ultra, the 50' RCA connection yielded a hum coming from the sub. Flipping to the XLR connection on the amp resolved the unwanted noise.

From my limited readings on XLR connections, the longer the cable path, the more you want to lean toward XLR over unbalanced RCA to take advantage of the noise-cancelling effects of the second signal being out of phase from the first since there's a higher probability you run near power wiring and pick up interference over the distance.

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Awesome. Thanks for the replies and information.
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JTR is having a 10% off holiday sale on existing stock in case anyone is interested http://jtrspeakers.websitetoolbox.co...d-1125-8321126. 10% of for the $1900 Captivator = an absolute screaming deal for this colossal monster! . (Curious that with overhead, I don't know how Jeff makes money on this.)

I've had a few subwoofers in my system (REL, JL Audio, Apogee, Sunfire, etc.), but now realize my life needs an 18 incher :-). While I use sealed subwoof for my music system, for movies I prefer ported, or mixed sealed + ported for that SLAM. Looked at 3 great brands, Seaton, JTR, and Funk, and JTR Captivator 1400 came out as the only choice for sub $2k PORTED 18 incher, with 1400 watts rms amp.

I am working with Jeff in trying to decide on the paint color (an extra charge option, as opposed to black finish). The darker red finish looks interesting. I have reasons to believe this is the last subwoofer I ever need, so do want it to look "pretty" LOL.



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I, being a die-hard Porsche fan, wanted the Porsche Carmine Red color, but for economics reason (just kidding), Jeff and I decided on Honda Basque Red Pearl 2. Indeed I simply want some color in my life & really can't stand any more black subwoofers in my room (why are they always black?) :-), so this should be perfect. A common color is good in case I need more subwoofs from Jeff, which is always a possibility.

JTR sale is on-going; unfortunately the Captivator 1400 is gone - I bought it, but there are other extremely interesting choices such as the monstrous folded horn Orbit Shifter and the equally monstrous :-) Captivator 4000ULF if you want to chase infrasonic 10 hz-tuned ported (I don't, for now.). YOLO - go take a look: http://jtrspeakers.websitetoolbox.co...d-1126-8321126

Automotive paint for speakers is not new btw; Wilson AFAIK has been offering Ferrari (of course) paint color options for their speakers for many years. Not sure I would like paint finish for my main tower speakers, but for a short subwoof in a corner, I think it will be smashing, or at least "interesting" :-).






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I am not new here, but i have not posted in awhile. However, just want to say that after alot of deliberating i have decided to switch my option from the pb13 or pb16 ultra to 2 of the JTR 1400 Caps (black oak) for my theater room. I called Jeff a couple of times and finally pulled the trigger last night. Jeff was very pleasant to deal w/ and even talked w/ him after hours.

After reading this whole thread, i feel like i have made the right decision.
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I am not new here, but i have not posted in awhile. However, just want to say that after alot of deliberating i have decided to switch my option from the pb13 or pb16 ultra to 2 of the JTR 1400 Caps (black oak) for my theater room. I called Jeff a couple of times and finally pulled the trigger last night. Jeff was very pleasant to deal w/ and even talked w/ him after hours.

After reading this whole thread, i feel like i have made the right decision.
You made the right decision. They are World Class subs!

I liked my first pair so much I bought two more. They fill my 10,000 cu.ft area better than the local commercial cinema.

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Yes, i saw those. I am hoping that the pair will give me the same outcome in a 3200 cu. ft. room as your 4.

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I am not new here, but i have not posted in awhile. However, just want to say that after alot of deliberating i have decided to switch my option from the pb13 or pb16 ultra to 2 of the JTR 1400 Caps (black oak) for my theater room. I called Jeff a couple of times and finally pulled the trigger last night. Jeff was very pleasant to deal w/ and even talked w/ him after hours.

After reading this whole thread, i feel like i have made the right decision.
I agree and truly think you have! I was excited for their trade-up program, but when I ran the numbers, I would be just shy of being able to purchase a Captivator S1 and keeping my dual SB13U in the process! (my net cost to upgrade was around $1750-$1800) I'm not that desperate to upgrade right now anyway, but I'm definitely revisiting all my options come tax season.

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I am not new here, but i have not posted in awhile. However, just want to say that after alot of deliberating i have decided to switch my option from the pb13 or pb16 ultra to 2 of the JTR 1400 Caps (black oak) for my theater room. I called Jeff a couple of times and finally pulled the trigger last night. Jeff was very pleasant to deal w/ and even talked w/ him after hours.

After reading this whole thread, i feel like i have made the right decision.
I too was considering the PB16 Ultra, and also Funk Audio and Seaton. All excellent subwoofers but this thread and the great Data-Bass review led me to the Captivator http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=117. Also am curious to hear the incredible force of 18 inch ported design.

I've had mostly "audiophile-oriented" subwoofers with 10-12 inch drivers; I have a feeling this thing is going to blow me away - literally . Can't wait. Jeff had better be working on my Captivator :-).

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