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What is the room lacking?
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What is the room lacking?

The quick answer is moving some of the existing panels to better locations. Moving the back row seats off the wall a bit more and adding bass absorption and some diffusion to the back wall.

The system sounds good (actually very good). This is the fine tuning part of going after another 10% or so of improvement without making radical changes.

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You have one of my favourite HTs that I've seen around the forums. I love the use of GIK panels as well. What have you used to put them on your walls? On my front wall I just put some screws in with drywall anchors and then hung them by their wire. How did you get the ones near the ceiling to hang without them being a few inches lower because of the sagging wire?

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You have one of my favourite HTs that I've seen around the forums. I love the use of GIK panels as well. What have you used to put them on your walls? On my front wall I just put some screws in with drywall anchors and then hung them by their wire. How did you get the ones near the ceiling to hang without them being a few inches lower because of the sagging wire?

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Thanks Mike,

I wall mounted like you have done but with 40 lb picture hangers and I used small L brackets for ceiling mounted. If you want to hide the brackets you can trim out the panels with some molding.

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Thanks Mike,

I wall mounted like you have done but with 40 lb picture hangers and I used small L brackets for ceiling mounted. If you want to hide the brackets you can trim out the panels with some molding.

Great, thanks.
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RMK,

So for MOVIES at the moment you prefer the SPUDS over the Caps.

Are the SPUDS: cleaner, better SQ, output, authority, deeper sounding
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So for MOVIES at the moment you prefer the SPUDS over the Caps.

Are the SPUDS: cleaner, better SQ, output, authority, deeper sounding

No, I use all 4 subs for movies but I have been using the Captivators alone for music. The advantage of the TH-SPUDS is their size (perfect for under the riser) and due to their coupling with the floor and riser they make for a great tactile experience.

Both are excellent subs.

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The Captivator's specs are outdoor measurements, without room gain plus when you go from one to two subwoofers you gain 6db of output capability.

Hi Jeff

Thanks for clearing up that the Captivators speacs are outdoor measurements. Some three weeks ago I was sending an e-mail to sales@jtrspeakers.com for quote on one Captivator with shipping coast
to me but no e-mail reply as yet
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You aren't the only one that hasn't received a response, I e-mailed them 1 month ago and got no response. Very poor business practice in my opinion; there are so many other options out there.
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Jeff has a small (low overhead) business and I know he prefers designing and building speakers to answering e-mails or hanging out on-line. If I need to speak to him I use the phone. I was lucky in that I heard his product, knew what I wanted, ordered it and I'm very happy with the results. It required a little patience (not something I have an over abundance of) but in the end, I was rewarded with what I wanted.

Dealing with communication issues with small businesses is not for everyone and as you say, there are other options out there.

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RMK!, wow, that room is fantastic looking and the sound, and bass, must be breathtaking.. Thanks for sharing the pics.

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You aren't the only one that hasn't received a response, I e-mailed them 1 month ago and got no response. Very poor business practice in my opinion; there are so many other options out there.

If you're after the best, it's well worth the wait dealing with these smaller companies that put out high-performance products. Patience is a virtue. Have you ever tried to order a special edition Ducati? Similar situation...
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If you're after the best, it's well worth the wait dealing with these smaller companies that put out high-performance products. Patience is a virtue. Have you ever tried to order a special edition Ducati? Similar situation...

How long should I wait, indefinitely? What's the point in having an e-mail address for your company if no one there is going to respond to potential
customers? Come on, how many people can be inquiring about $1000 dollar subs that can't get answers from a company in a reasonable time frame?

Ducati is no small company, and not a similar situation at all. The Captivator is a sub with an unlimited run.
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i have emailed Jeff before, and he returned with answers the following day, perhaps it went to their spam folder?
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Try calling and emailing again. Don't give up so easily.
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i have emailed Jeff before, and he returned with answers the following day

Same here. I'd take Fugueness' advice and try him again.
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I would place a call instead of the e-mail.
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If you're after the best, it's well worth the wait dealing with these smaller companies that put out high-performance products. Patience is a virtue. Have you ever tried to order a special edition Ducati? Similar situation...

I think you are onto something here Peter. Hey Jeff, do a limited run of Captivators (say 1000 units, numbered and signed) and only sell to customers that also have JTR speakers. Oh, and charge $4999 for them.

Now that's a marketing plan exclusivity baby!

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How long should I wait, indefinitely? What's the point in having an e-mail address for your company if no one there is going to respond to potential
customers? Come on, how many people can be inquiring about $1000 dollar subs that can't get answers from a company in a reasonable time frame?

Ducati is no small company, and not a similar situation at all. The Captivator is a sub with an unlimited run.

I've been bothering Jeff the last few days with numerous n00b questions via email and he's answered them very quickly......like someone else said, maybe it went into his spam folder......
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It would be moot at this point as I have purchased subs from somewhere else.

I am glad most of you were able to reach him though, take care.
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I do my best to return emails same day. I've had a few problems with my emails going into junk/spam folder and customs replying weeks later when they find my reply. When in doubt give me call.
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RMK!,

Thank you for opening your home and hobby to us via your postings and, for a lucky few, your GTG. It's great to hear that the Captivators are living up to your expectations. I am interested in hearing your thoughts after you have had more time to spend with them. How are you liking your slanted 8's and your upgraded 12's?

-Also, I have personally sent several emails to Jeff asking all manner of silly questions and he has always responded to me very quickly.
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Looking at the sensitivity of both the Capt. and SPUDS, would the more
sensitive of the two have more output, headroom, if amplification is the same for both.
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I have broken some cardinal rules in having dissimilar sub models/designs playing at essentially the same frequencies. The good news is both of these subs provide very clean output and even with the minimum setup I have done they sound very good (IMO).

I have the DSP30 as a tool for a more thorough integration and hope to have some assistance with this unit in the near future. In the meantime, I can happily live with the current sound.

BTW, the pairs were level matched to my speakers, then the combined LFE was level matched via the Integra tones. Based upon the graphs from Jeff's RTA and my SMS-1 the FR is looking good.

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Does anyone know of a good amp to use for the Captivator that does not generate noise.

Jeff recommended a Dayton SA 1000, but reviews claim to much noise coming from the transformer.
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Does anyone know of a good amp to use for the Captivator that does not generate noise.

Jeff recommended a Dayton SA 1000, but reviews claim to much noise coming from the transformer.

There are many much nicer/quieter amplifiers but cost more.
Emotiva XPA-1 to a Krell Evolution 600. The Crest CC4000 drives a pair really nicely but has fans. The Crown K2 has no fans but was discontinued.
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Funny you mentioned the XPA 1, I just posted that same question on the EMO. forum.

So an XPA 1 would work just fine?
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Design question, what makes the sensitivity of the Captivator so low(86db) but the Growler is 100db.

Are all band pass designs this way
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Does anyone know of a good amp to use for the Captivator that does not generate noise.

Jeff recommended a Dayton SA 1000, but reviews claim to much noise coming from the transformer.

Hi bodhisafa,

Look for new Peavey IPR class D amps , D amps are very quiet with no noise coming from the transformer.

* IPR1600 - Street Price: $299.99
* IPR3000 - Street Price: $399.99
* IPR4599 - Street Price: $499.99
* IPR6000 - Street Price: $599.99

* IPR 1600 530W RMS x 2 at 4 ohms
* IPR 3000 1000W RMS x 2 at 4 ohms
* IPR 4400 1500W RMS x 2 at 4 ohms
* IPR 6000 2000W RMS x 2 at 4 ohms

In addition, the IPR DSP series features built-in DSP processing

* IPR DSP 1600 - Street Price: $449.99
* IPR DSP 3000 - Street Price: $599.99
* IPR DSP 4500 - Street Price: $649.99
* IPR DSP 6000 - Street Price: $799.99

* IPR DSP 1600 530W RMS x 2 at 4 ohms
* IPR DSP 3000 1000W RMS x 2 at 4 ohms
* IPR DSP 4400 1500W RMS x 2 at 4 ohms
* IPR DSP 6000 2000W RMS x 2 at 4 ohms
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For me, the ulimate is four Catpivators and one large pro amplifier (4000 watts ish). With four subwoofer you'll have ample output, flexibility to tame room modes and spend about $5k (with amp).
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