Originally Posted by thehun
That's hardly anything intellectual or relevant that you providing here other then being dismissive based on some other threads that you took your POV. It's not like I've joined to this forum yesterday.
Really, where? It is part of the of the issue how can I ignore it? The 6db difference that balanced connection provide is part of the total 12db or so difference of the gain structure between consumer and pro gear.
The Shack article actually explains why Thomas W. and other max gain advocates are looking this issue wrong, and I never said that this is never a problem, but rather it far less then people like you make it out to be.
It is far less but it exists. I never posted once that the word majority (I have 4 systems in my house, one needs it). I posted there are a times when its needed. You are posting that its never needed with is a false assumption.
Thomas W. wrong?? hehe...that is why the Shack offers the ART mods, etc. That is why the shack offers the long explanation on how to measure the voltage. If there is never a problem why even have posts explaining how to fix this mythical problem?
have you? difference is about 10v between the two structure difference, however you don't need that much to drive any pro amp, nor is the goal to achieve a perfect structure balance because it won't happen no doubt about that, which is what you "MAX gain" guys don't get.
Let's not forget this conversation came about because someone claimed that most receivers produce between 3-7 V peak on average on the SW output, then you came in claim otherwise citing your own experience without offering actual voltage measurements, you offered total SPL figures which by itself means very little. The bottom line is that most receivers will offer plenty of voltage and so far that's hasn't been disputed, nor I would dispute that there is an imbalance between the two type of gain structure, but if there is enough voltage, then the rest is just pontification.
yes,. I used one my tests subs and two amps. FACE F1200TS and Velodyne SC-1250.
The simple fact is that the RCA to RCA consumer setup is FAR easier to deal with. The SPL using the Velodyne was measured as being much greater for the same AVR trim and VC setting. I used the Denon 2809, Yahama V663 and older Yahama V2500 in the test.
Saying SPL is meaningless is wrong, its all about SPL. When designing sub systems plugging them in and getting < 85dB tells the builder that there is something wrong. There is no other way to go about it. SPL is everything to the design without it its pointless to bother testing. Its a big assumption to tell people that they can just turn their sub trim up to +12 and their VC past 0 to get max Voltage and great SPL, there is more to the entire setup then doing that.
btw, No one has ever disputed the max voltage of any AVR. The problem exists with the unbalanced consumer output vs balance pro audio input devices. Many issues involved with them including voltage sensitivity.
Anyways, Feel free to solve any setup with out a line booster. Like I have said many times no one wants to use them and we would all pay $$$ for great minds like yours to solve the problem. Over the 6 years and 20 threads all those great minds never had a solution except..."I guess you need a line booster" ....Go figure
Remember this isnt a promotional thing, no one is convincing anyone to buy a line booster, I hope no one has too. This is a "Man, WTF!! Where is my bass and how can I solve it". The ONLY solution with the current products owned was a line booster.
This is a dead issue and I think we need to not bother the JTR owner thread with this topic.