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Off topic, but for the sake of discussion...

How far down from the "ultimate" would 4 B-Stock MFW-15's in Satin MOHO be for $2,000 delivered? Would it be $3,000 worth?
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For me, the ulimate is four Catpivators and one large pro amplifier (4000 watts ish). With four subwoofer you'll have ample output, flexibility to tame room modes and spend about $5k (with amp).

Only four ... why so conservative
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Hi bodhisafa,

Look for new Peavey IPR class D amps , D amps are very quiet with no noise coming from the transformer.

* IPR1600 - Street Price: $299.99
* IPR3000 - Street Price: $399.99
* IPR4599 - Street Price: $499.99
* IPR6000 - Street Price: $599.99

* IPR 1600 530W RMS x 2 at 4 ohms
* IPR 3000 1000W RMS x 2 at 4 ohms
* IPR 4400 1500W RMS x 2 at 4 ohms
* IPR 6000 2000W RMS x 2 at 4 ohms

In addition, the IPR DSP series features built-in DSP processing

* IPR DSP 1600 - Street Price: $449.99
* IPR DSP 3000 - Street Price: $599.99
* IPR DSP 4500 - Street Price: $649.99
* IPR DSP 6000 - Street Price: $799.99

* IPR DSP 1600 530W RMS x 2 at 4 ohms
* IPR DSP 3000 1000W RMS x 2 at 4 ohms
* IPR DSP 4400 1500W RMS x 2 at 4 ohms
* IPR DSP 6000 2000W RMS x 2 at 4 ohms

read the thread in the DIY section on this before you believe any of the numers.

IMO two EP2500s with fan mods so they run silent would be a great choice to drive these subs.

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Does anyone know of a good amp to use for the Captivator that does not generate noise.

Jeff recommended a Dayton SA 1000, but reviews claim to much noise coming from the transformer.

I wouldnt use the Dayton 1000W amps, they measure horrible in 3rd party tests.

I have silent amps (modded fans in my pro amps) or you might want to consider the Velodyne SC-1250 amp. It has 1000W and remote for volume control. Its a better choice on the consumer side vs the XPA-1.

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Off topic, but for the sake of discussion...

How far down from the "ultimate" would 4 B-Stock MFW-15's in Satin MOHO be for $2,000 delivered? Would it be $3,000 worth?

For sure! 1400 watts vs 4000 watts = 285% more ($2000 x 285%= $5700)

The Captivator is made in the USA and is a 6th order bandpass design that is much more complicated and expensive build (and YES, worth the extra effort).
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Only four ... why so conservative

Sorry, my bad. I meant for a bedroom system

RMK~ that amplifier you have can drive another pair of Captivators, hint, hint.
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So the new Captivator has the new 4" coil with a different 12" driver, than the growler?
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So the new Captivator has the new 4" coil with a different 12" driver, than the growler?

If I'm not mistaken, I believe the new 12" driver will be used in both models.
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If I'm not mistaken, I believe the new 12" driver will be used in both models.

That is what was originally said on the JTR message board, but Jeff posted last Sunday that "The 12's in the Growler and Captivator aren't going to be the same."
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That is what was originally said on the JTR message board, but Jeff posted last Sunday that "The 12's in the Growler and Captivator aren't going to be the same."

Ah, I stand corrected. Things change quickly in the AV world. Thanks for the update.
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Ah, I stand corrected. Things change quickly in the AV world. Thanks for the update.

Bur you were correct about the source for the Cap driver.
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Bur you were correct about the source for the Cap driver.




You have an awesome room. I've never experienced anything like your setup. Wish I could have been there.
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You have an awesome room. I've never experienced anything like your setup. Wish I could have been there.

Thanks Tom,

At the GTG we ran a demo of the plane crash scene from Knowing. I ordered the Bluray and we watched it again last night. There are several scenes in Knowing where the dynamic range of the system can really shine. We were watching at an MV of -6 and the sound was unreal. As good as the subs are (and they are great), it is the T12 LF's and T8's that push the system over the top.
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Never seen The Knowing but, I finally watched Valkyrie and jumped a few times from the explosions. The 2010 T8's are still impressing the hell outta me with their dynamic capability.
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Never seen The Knowing but, I finally watched Valkyrie and jumped a few times from the explosions. The 2010 T8's are still impressing the hell outta me with their dynamic capability.

Yep those new T8's are special aren't they
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Sorry, my bad. I meant for a bedroom system

RMK~ that amplifier you have can drive another pair of Captivators, hint, hint.

Jeff,

Would you need to get the Captivators with the Speakon connectors to use 4 Captivators with a pro 2-channel amp? Daisy-Chaining two Caps/channel?

Cheers,
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Jeff,

Would you need to get the Captivators with the Speakon connectors to use 4 Captivators with a pro 2-channel amp? Daisy-Chaining two Caps/channel?

Cheers,
Leffe67

Not speaking for Jeff here but he has said he can put any connectors on the Captivators. Dual Speakon's would be a good way to daisy chain two Caps off of a single amp channel. In fact, I wish I had thought of that. I had to run two cables.
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Jeff,

Would you need to get the Captivators with the Speakon connectors to use 4 Captivators with a pro 2-channel amp? Daisy-Chaining two Caps/channel?

Cheers,
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No, not at all. Most pro amplifiers have binding post on the back just like home amplifiers. To hook up four Captivators to one pro amplifier (or any 2 channel amp), you do have to connect two to each channel so you need an amplifier capable of 2 ohm loads. I recommend running seperate speaker wires from the amplifier to the subwoofers (as RMK did). If you need seperate eq's on each subwoofer than you'll need a seperate channel of amplification per subwoofer (two 2 channel amps for four subwoofers).
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No, not at all. Most pro amplifiers have binding post on the back just like home amplifiers. To hook up four Captivators to one pro amplifier (or any 2 channel amp), you do have to connect two to each channel so you need an amplifier capable of 2 ohm loads. I recommend running seperate speaker wires from the amplifier to the subwoofers (as RMK did). If you need seperate eq's on each subwoofer than you'll need a seperate channel of amplification per subwoofer (two 2 channel amps for four subwoofers).

I actually use both methods and as Jeff suggests, I'm using 2 pro amps to drive 4 subs. The Captivators are each running off their own channel from a Crest CC4000 (2 cables with Speakon connectors out of the amp to the subs). My Danley TH-SPUDS (the non-super version) are a long in-wall single Speakon cable and then daisy chained off a single bridged channel from a QSC PLX2502.

The Danleys present an 4ohm load to the bridged amp channel so the QSC's 2500W@4ohms works fine.
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My Danley TH-SPUDS (the non-super version) are along run in-wall single Speakon cable and daisy chained off a single bridged channel from a QSC PLX2502.

Mr Danley / Mike may have a good deal for ya.
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Mr Danley / Mike may have a good deal for ya.

Likely not good enough. The additional output might be nice but I prefer the 11" height of the "Little SPUD" as opposed to the 16" of the new AIY (Assemble it Yourself) model. Honestly, since adding the Captivators I have all the tactile and audible bass I want/need.

Think I'll leave the pursuit of the Brown Note to others.
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This thread has slowed down a bit, any new captivator owners out there with thoughts and impressions about their new low frequency monster.

Wonder how this sub would compare to the new danley dts10?
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This thread has slowed down a bit, any new captivator owners out there with thoughts and impressions about their new low frequency monster.

Wonder how this sub would compare to the new danley dts10?

I am completely mystified as to why this sub hasn't received more attention. Maybe I should have hyped it more.

But seriously, I would not trade out the Captivators for anything else I have heard. Very clean powerful bass down into the teens, great for music and HT.

Maybe Jeff should stick a plate amp on it to make it more palatable to the masses. Who wouldn't love this look in their living room?
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I got a cap and Jeff has been over a couple times, we're currently trying work on some issues....will update with a full amateur review when everything is working right.

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Well, once to drop off the sub and a second because of a bad passive radiator. Added another step to the QC process so that would happen again.
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Catpivators

How much more powerful is the Catpivator compared to the Captivator ?

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How much more powerful is the Catpivator compared to the Captivator ?

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I would say they are equally powerful
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Hehe... And here I thought there was some hot rod version of the Captivator. The Catpivator does sound a lot more intimidating though.

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Hehe... And here I thought there was some hot rod version of the Captivator. The Catpivator does sound a lot more intimidating though.

Regards,

Get ready for Darth-vator

That's 4 Captivators stacked or lying head to head across the front or back, each with 1000w amp.

Coming soon, to a Theater near you.

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Darth-vator doesn't stand a chance against......wait for it.....the Capathator. The 'Capathator' is what the Captivator wanted to be. It simply couldn't captivate the concept of the Capathator.

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