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post #631 of 1532 Old 09-15-2010, 12:24 AM
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Did the the PBK come with the SUB 2? I know it is supposed to be included, but did Paradigm remember to ship it?

Your photos skipped the important part; how does one person unbox a 230lb sub?

Very Carefully

It was rather easy. If you look at photo # 4 you will see large plastic doughnuts are mounted on the bottom so you have to open the box at the top.
Then you roll box first on its side and then upside down. The speaker was originally placed inside in an upside down position by the factory so now it is correctly oriented. Lift off the box, tilt the speaker to remove the bottom packing, install the adjustable mounts (feet) and you are done.
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Posting at 220 AM, must mean you were up late playing with the sub 2 . I just now looked at the dimensions of the sub. For some reason I just expected it to be bigger, closer in size to my def tech trinity. Hopefully it impresses you and youll tell us all how awesome it is.
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Mine hasn't arrived yet but I won't be to Utah until oct 20. Hopefully, it will be installed by then.
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How does it sound?
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How does it sound?

or..... how does it feel
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or..... how does it feel

I think he is having so much fun with his sub 2 that he doesn't want to leave the couch and report to us or sub 2 has blown him away from his house somewhere he doesn't know how to get back.
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How does it sound?

I have so far listened to music and it has integrated very nicely.
Does not really make itself known

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or..... how does it feel

Yes, On Blu-ray it occasionally does fill the room with low frequency sound



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I think he is having so much fun with his sub 2 that he doesn't want to leave the couch and report to us or sub 2 has blown him away from his house somewhere he doesn't know how to get back.

So far the only difficult problem that I am having trouble with is when I change channels or move forward in 10 second segments with my Comcast remote.
The Sub 2 is activated rather strongly with each change, like turning the power on and off.
This did not happen until I did the PBK Bass setup and then the Anthem ARC setup.

I did the BPK setup which is below followed by an Arc 3.0 of the whole system.
If you are unfamiliar with the PBK chart

Red is the measurement before adjustment
Blue is the dashed line where they would like to set it
Purple is where the Sub 2 has been set




Anthem ARC of the entire system and the Sub 2

Red is the measurement before adjustment
Blue is the dashed line where they would like to set it
Green is where the Sub 2 has been set


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As I am not familar with the PBK or ARC software, Im guessing the Y axis value that goes up to 90 and 100 respectively is the SPL measured in db. Why does one of the charts show the highest db at around 20 hz whereas the other chart shows it at roughly 45-55 hz?
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Looks like the Sub 2 has great upper bass capabilities - easily into the 200hz range... The output and power of a sub with these capabilities is very nice to have in your system and if one could have more then 1 crossing over really high would yield excellent results.... far better output then most speakers would ever give you in those ranges - that is why its nice to cross over higher then 100hz, but only with multiples to avoid localization...

The Klippel measurement of the 18" TC-LMS's puts phenomenal output up over 1khz.... see my sig - still gotta run ARC to see what it comes up with for my DIY's


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get one of these baby's? Let us hear from you!
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Picked up my SUB 2 today. I had to remove my front door from its hinges to fit the box through.










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Huh.....

As much as I scoff at the price of those subs, they are a sight to behold. Def a unique engineering marvel.

Enjoy your new toy my friend, you've earned it with the wait. Paradigm was nice to oblige with the loaner, please try to give us your thoughts on the comparo if the 2.


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How does it sound?

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Um, WOW!

It doesn't sound like anything per se; I can't tell the bass is coming from the big hexagonal black box in front of me. Other reviewers spoke of how effortless this sub is, and I agree. I played the cave scene from Ironman, which the SUB 1 in particular had trouble with; it would bottom out at what I consider normal listening levels. This is the only movie I have found the SUB 1 has trouble with. The SUB 2 just breezed through without a problem. Things around the room were rattling that never rattled before, so I did what most of us would do - I turned it louder. Still no problem.

I can't listen to it anymore tonight out of respect for my neighbours, so I will say more later after more listening.
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Something that I found curious is that MCACC would not calibrate the SUB 2 while the plate amp volume control was in the detent position. I had to turn it to the 10 o'clock position before it would proceed to set the levels. I didn't have this problem with the SUB 1.

The SUB 2 cabinet is quite a bit larger in volume than the SUB 1, something you might want to consider for the WAF. The SUB 1 looks reasonable and inconspicuous , where the SUB 2 seems to dominate the room now. The SUB 2 makes my S8 speakers seem small in comparison. I can't imagine having a pair of SUB 2's in my small room.
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are you running it off a 225V?

How is the low end impact?

I think it would look smaller if you took off the grills. I believe it is possible (but somewhat difficult) to take the grills off? Thought I read somewhere that someone did that.
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Holy cow! That Sub 2 is absolutely gorgeous. It appears to be right up there with the Gotham cosmetically.
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Um, WOW!

It doesn't sound like anything per se; I can't tell the bass is coming from the big hexagonal black box in front of me. Other reviewers spoke of how effortless this sub is, and I agree. I played the cave scene from Ironman, which the SUB 1 in particular had trouble with; it would bottom out at what I consider normal listening levels. This is the only movie I have found the SUB 1 has trouble with. The SUB 2 just breezed through without a problem. Things around the room were rattling that never rattled before, so I did what most of us would do - I turned it louder. Still no problem.

I can't listen to it anymore tonight out of respect for my neighbours, so I will say more later after more listening.

So the Sub 2 is WOW .... I guess thats kind of a perspective observation.... but its better than saying its just ok . So when you say the sub 1 bottomed out on the cafe scene from Iron Man, assuming you mean when Iron Man is busting out of his captivity, what did the sub 1 do that would be classified as bottoming out?

My first home theater sub was some old hunk of junk klipsch dual sub that would sometimes sound like it was studdering and make odd noises whenever it would bottom out (assumed that the noises/studdering meant it was bottoming out).

The sub 2 does look very nice, but for that kinda money it had better not look like an Epik or ED sub.

As for the grills coming off... I believe they do indeed come off.... I saw article/blog in which the folks had a sub 2 for demo or something like that and they had removed the grills, Ill try to find it and post the link.
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You're welcome.

...and yes your investigative skills are correct. The SUB2 arrived end of Feb and we opened it in March when I went up there.

The grills are removeable....however it is cumbersome to remove due to the actual screw placement on the brackets.

..where there is a will, there's a way :-)

plus...we had to see what those beastly 10's actually looked like for ourselves instead of relying on pictures.

Soo apparently I read about the grills being "removable" right here in the sub 1 and 2 forum ha.
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How much do the grills add to the width of the sub? From the pictures, they look like they stick out a few inches from the side if the sub. I wonder if you can remove them without damaging the grills.
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So when you say the sub 1 bottomed out on the cafe scene from Iron Man, assuming you mean when Iron Man is busting out of his captivity, what did the sub 1 do that would be classified as bottoming out?

I gave an audible example earlier in the thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post18718435
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Beautiful subs !!
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How much do the grills add to the width of the sub? From the pictures, they look like they stick out a few inches from the side if the sub. I wonder if you can remove them without damaging the grills.


I'm sure they are no different then the Sub25, where you run a screwdriver in from the side to get them loose...

I would imagine that the grills are only a small distance away from woofer surrounds.... not like your going to gain any room with the grills off...


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All I needed to remove the grills was a Phillips No.1 screwdriver.


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If that is not the most beautiful piece of sound equipment... I don't know what is. That looks amazing. Especially with the grilles off..
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That grill looks beefy. So do you have the sub 2 hooked up to a 220v line?
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I haven't tried 240v yet. According to the manual, I was supposed to get both 120v and 240v power cords. In the picture in my posting above you can see they gave me two 120v power cords, one with a ground plug, the other without.

It will be a while before I'm ready to try 240v. The member Pixiu had his 240v outlet ready back in February. Hopefully he will get his SUB 2 soon, and give us some feedback.
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Full resolution shot of SUB 2 driver:
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So how does the sub 2 compare to the other subs youve owned? I know you had a loaned in sub1 which youve mentioned had issue with a bassy scene from iron man.......
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I haven't heard any of the other subwoofers discussed in these forums, so I can't make any comparisons. The Signature SUB 2 replaced a old Velodyne F-1200 servo subwoofer that I bought in 1994, so any comparisons to it are irrelevant.
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Other new owners such as Thestewman. And Rigman... Can you give us any more feedback on your experience thus far?

Is it musical. Quick? Good low end impact? How do you compare it to other subs you have owned? Are you happy? Blown away? It is good but expected more? Etc
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