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Not a big surprise that your expectation was not met. Two (small subs) are almost always better than one (large sub) in small rooms. Because room modes. It's very hard to place a single sub so that you don't have one or more peaks / dips in the main listening position's frequency range below about 80 Hz. But two subs can usually minimize the problem. This is especially true if you have some software (Audyssey MultEQ XT32 and SubEQ HT, or better) to automate the process.
Thats what i'm thinking too especially one of the pb13 i put it nearfield just 5" from my back.Btw i'm using Denon 7200wa for calibration.

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what kind of spl we talking? or just using ears?
I only checked with my spl meter,set it at 78db..volume knob at 12 o'clock and avr trim at -1.0.

I will check the graph with rew when my umik1 arrive in a few days.
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I should add that too much of a house curve can make midbass weaker relative to low bass. So, try a flatter response if you haven't already done that.

Also, check for any big dips/nulls in the midbass region and play with different crossover settings/sw dist tweak.

Of course, placement is the number one thing to check, especially before using any boost PEQ or the like.

And make sure the many settings on amp are set to your liking. I prefer LFE input so that the built-in lpf is disengaged.

Good luck
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Not a big surprise that your expectation was not met. Two (small subs) are almost always better than one (large sub) in small rooms. Because room modes. It's very hard to place a single sub so that you don't have one or more peaks / dips in the main listening position's frequency range below about 80 Hz. But two subs can usually minimize the problem. This is especially true if you have some software (Audyssey MultEQ XT32 and SubEQ HT, or better) to automate the process.
Thats what i'm thinking too especially one of the pb13 i put it nearfield just 5" from my back.Btw i'm using Denon 7200wa for calibration.
Yeah, 5 inches from ears, nearfield will give you a ton more tactile response and midbass slam/chest thump. Farfield less so unless you crank up the sw trim or volume enough to compensate.
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well at 78 db I doubt you would feel anything
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I should add that too much of a house curve can make midbass weaker relative to low bass. So, try a flatter response if you haven't already done that.

Also, check for any big dips/nulls in the midbass region and play with different crossover settings/sw dist tweak.

Of course, placement is the number one thing to check, especially before using any boost PEQ or the like.

And make sure the many settings on amp are set to your liking. I prefer LFE input so that the built-in lpf is disengaged.

Good luck
Thanks for a very good advice Plasma
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well at 78 db I doubt you would feel anything
Can i crank the sub volume more than 12 o'clock or thats the maximum setting?I cant crank much from avr because it already reached -1.0.
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Can i crank the sub volume more than 12 o'clock or thats the maximum setting?I cant crank much from avr because it already reached -1.0.
Yes you can. I run my subwoofers at 82dB and speakers at 75dB measured at MLP. The volume on the subwoofers is set at 1 o'clock. Just so you know, each click on the volume knob is 1.5dB.
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Yes you can. I run my subwoofers at 82dB and speakers at 75dB measured at MLP. The volume on the subwoofers is set at 1 o'clock. Just so you know, each click on the volume knob is 1.5dB.
Great.What is the maximum volume i can dial at sub's volume nob?3 o'clock?
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are there any measurements available at all for the LV12R?

Trying to compare it to RBH 12I
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Great.What is the maximum volume i can dial at sub's volume nob?3 o'clock?
3 o'clock is fine but in a room like yours if you are not satisfy with a pair of FV25HPs, then you should look for some other issues like subwoofer placement and nulls at the MLP. Even a hearing test should be in your short list...



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are there any measurements available at all for the LV12R?

Trying to compare it to RBH 12I
http://www.rythmikaudio.com/LV12R_specs.html

BTW, I have the LV12R and have had it for nearly 2 years. Zero regrets getting a Rythmik over others including the RBH, HSU, SVS, Outlaw, etc. In fact, I did initially narrow it down between LV12R and I-12. I went with the Rythmik because of its proven reputation on AVS and because of the 3 year amp warranty plus reasonable costs for amp repairs out of warranty. The I-12 was significantly cheaper at the time and that was tempting but if anything happened with the amp it would be significantly more $ to fix.

To this day, my LV12R sounds so good it surprises me and puts a smile on my face. In fact, it sounds much better and different from what I've used to expect from a sub and I had the Dayton SUB-1200 before it.

From what I've heard the I-12 is still a nice sounding option and looks nicer. However, I can't imagine it sounding as good as a Rythmik since it doesn't have direct servo nor the bass extension/damping setting that can change the very nature of the sound with a simple 3 position switch.
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Sherr127 you should use the line in and by pass audyssey. Make sure you have dynamic eq off as well.

Is the fv25 in same spot as one of the pb13?

Just for reference the pb13 is one of the worst subs for mid bass. Be lucky to see 118-120db with pb13. The fv25 will hit 126-129 db in midbass. Fv25 should be better then 3 pb13.

I have my pair of fv15hp at 2 o'clock on gain using line in with y adapter. I hit well over 125db from 40-60hz. Pb13 can't even match fv15hp.

Maybe something is wrong with your setup or subs. Post some pictures and let everyone see what you're doing.
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Also wanted to ad your room is very small and 2 fv25 should be amazing.

I had a Psa Xv30f in a office that was a little bigger then your room at it was insane. Bass from 120-130 db.

Your room is 11' by 15' by 9'?
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Thats what i'm thinking too especially one of the pb13 i put it nearfield just 5" from my back.Btw i'm using Denon 7200wa for calibration.
So you comparing 1 sub that is located how many feet away(6',8',10'?) vs one that you had 5" from your back?

If that is the case I would say that is why they are not even close. I know from trying just 1 Um18" sealed nearfield behind my seat I have never had that kind of effect from multiple 15" and 18" spread throughout my room.

Put your new sub behind your seat like you had your SVS and it should be a better comparison.

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Sherr127 you should use the line in and by pass audyssey. Make sure you have dynamic eq off as well.

Is the fv25 in same spot as one of the pb13?

Just for reference the pb13 is one of the worst subs for mid bass. Be lucky to see 118-120db with pb13. The fv25 will hit 126-129 db in midbass. Fv25 should be better then 3 pb13.

I have my pair of fv15hp at 2 o'clock on gain using line in with y adapter. I hit well over 125db from 40-60hz. Pb13 can't even match fv15hp.

Maybe something is wrong with your setup or subs. Post some pictures and let everyone see what you're doing.
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Also wanted to ad your room is very small and 2 fv25 should be amazing.

I had a Psa Xv30f in a office that was a little bigger then your room at it was insane. Bass from 120-130 db.

Your room is 11' by 15' by 9'?
Yes,its the same spot as one of my pb13.In my room with 1 nearfield,dual pb13 hit more than 125db from 40-70hz.
My current rrom size now is 11 x 15 x 9.5 until my new ht room completed around october with the size of 16 x 24 x 9.5.
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So you comparing 1 sub that is located how many feet away(6',8',10'?) vs one that you had 5" from your back?

If that is the case I would say that is why they are not even close. I know from trying just 1 Um18" sealed nearfield behind my seat I have never had that kind of effect from multiple 15" and 18" spread throughout my room.

Put your new sub behind your seat like you had your SVS and it should be a better comparison.
Thats make sense,thank you for clarification.

I will try to locate 1 fv25 nearfield today,if that is still not enough then only i will add another fv25 in front.

I know i will get the slam/chest thump that i'm looking for with just 1 fv25 nearfield..why i'm not thinking it that way in the first place..sigh...tq again.
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Also, @sherr127, what calibration are you using? (Audyssey XT32, YPAO, MCACC?)
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I recommend Sorbothane bumpers from amazon or ebay, 1.5" or 2" diameter and 30 or 50 duro - depending on the weight of the speakers. This stuff stops nearly all vibration transferring to your speakers

I've used them in the past under the feet of BD players and even amps, but the material is so "sticky" that I would not want to use them under a speaker with a gloss finish. I think it could damage the finish over time.

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Also, @sherr127, what calibration are you using? (Audyssey XT32, YPAO, MCACC?)
Denon 7200wa ( audyssey xt32 )
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I recommend Sorbothane bumpers from amazon or ebay, 1.5" or 2" diameter and 30 or 50 duro - depending on the weight of the speakers. This stuff stops nearly all vibration transferring to your speakers

I've used them in the past under the feet of BD players and even amps, but the material is so "sticky" that I would not want to use them under a speaker with a gloss finish. I think it could damage the finish over time.
I used them for 12 months under my QA Concept 20s and they left a very faint mark but nothing worth worrying about. Ive had them under my PSA speakers and after nearly a year there is no marks on the speakers at all, perhaps I've been lucky!
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Yes you can. I run my subwoofers at 82dB and speakers at 75dB measured at MLP. The volume on the subwoofers is set at 1 o'clock. Just so you know, each click on the volume knob is 1.5dB.
How many clicks would it take for the FV15HP to match the new FV18?
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depending on the voltage/gain of your gear....I have maxed 100% gain/volume knobs before...I would rather tweak my subs settings in avr/pre and max my amps...but some amps I have to turn down due to noise or distortion or just plain being able to blow them up.

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@Rythmik , curious why line in rolls off around 90hz versus 200hz from lfe? I am sure there are folks wanting to xover higher than 90hz (120hz in my case) that also want to be able to use the phase knob. Is it the design choice or the limitation of line in? Thanks.
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depending on the voltage/gain of your gear....I have maxed 100% gain/volume knobs before...I would rather tweak my subs settings in avr/pre and max my amps...but some amps I have to turn down due to noise or distortion or just plain being able to blow them up.
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nope

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Did you get the shipment notification/tracking# ?

What are your settings on the FV15HP BTW?
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Did you get the shipment notification/tracking# ?

What are your settings on the FV15HP BTW?
no...last I heard I requested a custom powercord and brian said no problem but would delay shipment a couple days...

i use my 15hp in 1 port mode and its not dialed in that great right now, but attached is where its set now.
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no...last I heard I requested a custom powercord and brian said no problem but would delay shipment a couple days...

i use my 15hp in 1 port mode and its not dialed in that great right now, but attached is where its set now.
Did you have a big and wide mountain peak centered at 60hz in your response? Your PEQ settings are applying about a -6db reduction centered around 60hz, but spanning very wide (high bandwidth).
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honestly I forget, went out and bought a minidsp and fv25 and just waiting to go thru hell again with rew

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