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honestly I forget, went out and bought a minidsp and fv25 and just waiting to go thru hell again with rew
I feel your pain. Can't tell you what a relief it was to finish getting my FV18s configured with REW and a UMIK-1. Don't want to have to do that again very soon.
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my new fv25 ships on monday...so however long that takes
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I feel your pain. Can't tell you what a relief it was to finish getting my FV18s configured with REW and a UMIK-1. Don't want to have to do that again very soon.


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Not that this has anything to do with Rythmik - but for my Rythmik family I thought I’d post....

Got my 2 Micca M-8Cs setup today, wire run through ceiling/walls/etc. Excited to change amp config and rerun Audyssey. The top rear right speaker was super low - something not right. Audyssey tells me phase issue. I check the amp and AVR, all is fine. So I take the speaker down and there it is staring me in the face like an F on a test back in high school, black in red and red in black. I carefully take it down and as I am holding it with one hand and pushing down the wire clamps with the other, SNAP! The freakin’ connection board snapped on me. Completely ruined my night. Worked a good 3 hours today to run all those wires and set everything up only to have this. Only good news is that it’s a cheap $41 speaker and with Amazon Prime ill have another here on Sunday. It’ll be a quick install since the wire is already right there. But man what a downer!

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Still can't figure out how to use REW.
Check out Omnimic. REW can do so many things, but the learning curve is high for some. Omnimic is a very capable system that's easier to master for most.

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check out omnimic. Rew can do so many things, but the learning curve is high for some. Omnimic is a very capable system that's easier to master for most.
omnimic ??
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omnimic ??
It's $399.99
http://www.daytonaudio.com/index.php...nt-system.html

While Room EQ Wizard is free and easy to learn especially with the REW forum on here with the creator of the software.
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omnimic ??
Yup, Omnimic. And it's not $399 either.

REW has tremendous capabilities - and the fact it's free is very impressive - but it's not the easiest to setup or use. There's less of a learning curve with Omnimic, it comes as a complete set (so no need to buy a separate mic or download frequency files) and it offers a lot of features. That combination is appealing to many people.

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Still can't figure out how to use REW.
Learning REW is an accretive process. Despite its rather steep learning curve, I recommend it over any of the configuration solutions that you have to pay for. The now very long REW thread is very helpful. Highly recommended! REW is free but you would have to buy a good mic if you don't already have one. Many of us, including me, use the UMIK-1. Mastering REW well enough to properly configure subs requires some effort but is far from impossible.
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For those familiar with display calibration, REW is like ColorHCFR and Omnimic is more like CalMAN (or ChromaPure or Lightspace). For me, the the savings with REW is worth it.

(However, I do own CalMAN and used ColorHCFR before that and Jim is right that the premium software often has a less steep learning curve and less initial setup required (more plug in and play).)

However, Jerry and Markus in the REW thread are very helpful and knowledgeable with REW and audio measurement/optimization in general. Once you get into it, it's not too difficult for most typical uses like FR measures and sub PEQ.
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the biggest challenge for me using rew is after getting initial results...ok, have a frequency response with dip/null at crossover of 80hz and lets also say 30hz...now what? start reading, asking ?'s and down the rabbit hole I go trying to fix something I really never knew how to fix in the 1st place weekend over lol.

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Audyssey or Dirac (automated room correction software) can do most of the hard work after placement/room treatments are optimized. For the sub, do the sub crawl except put the mic where your ears would go and measure frequency response (FR) and then use the location is has least serious peaks and nulls, especially deep/wide nulls/dips that EQ can't fix. Also, check subjective SQ at best 2-3 spots since things like tactile response and smoothness of response throughout listening area matter too (not just center of MLP FR).

IMO, the real pain is moving around the subs/speakers... measuring is not too bad unless if you are trying to integrate multiple subs manually (like CitSur did before getting Audyssey). Or handling bass management without an AVR or AVP that does it automatically.

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the biggest challenge for me using rew is after getting initial results...ok, have a frequency response with dip/null at crossover of 80hz and lets also say 30hz...now what? start reading, asking ?'s and down the rabbit hole I go trying to fix something I really never knew how to fix in the 1st place weekend over lol.
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Are there any other room correction systems built into AVRs other than YPAO and MCACC that allow manual editing of PEQ filters to zero out any boost filters?
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You can adjust the target curve in Dirac Live and in the latest version of Audyssey. Many high-end units allow you to adjust settings (Trinnov etc.) Note most if not all these systems will focus on cutting rather than boosting and all have a limited boost range. I am not sure you can explicitly "zero out" boost but having or lacking that ability would not be a factor for me knowing how the normally operate.

Not sure what this has to do with Rythmik; you may have better results asking in the receiver forum.

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You can adjust the target curve in Dirac Live and in the latest version of Audyssey. Many high-end units allow you to adjust settings (Trinnov etc.) Note most if not all these systems will focus on cutting rather than boosting and all have a limited boost range. I am not sure you can explicitly "zero out" boost but having or lacking that ability would not be a factor for me knowing how the normally operate.

Not sure what this has to do with Rythmik; you may have better results ausking in the receiver forum.
I'm asking because with the MiniDSP 2x4 and sub PEQ filters generated in REW I can't seem to tolerate boost filters much for extended periods (even 1-3dB boosts that are low Q). I also find the auto PEQ for speakers on my Yamaha AVR fatiguing after a while.

So, part of me is worried that Audyssey or the like will also have the same issue for me since it won't be cut only EQ.

I did create a thread in the AVR sub-forum but didn't get much replies. Since room correction is a popular topic here, as is PEQ in general, I asked here.
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i honestly only run 5.1 signal and usually have all the eq off...i try to spend most of my time evaluating and the position of the speakers...i also use a nice headset to compare some freq's...I am not impressed with audyssey...but maybe my space doesnt really show off what audyssey can do? idk...the only that has ever made knits about my room has been me...everyone else loves it, so I guess Im the dummie in the room.

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I'm asking because with the MiniDSP 2x4 and sub PEQ filters generated in REW I can't seem to tolerate boost filters much for extended periods (even 1-3dB boosts that are low Q). I also find the auto PEQ for speakers on my Yamaha AVR fatiguing after a while.

So, part of me is worried that Audyssey or the like will also have the same issue for me since it won't be cut only EQ.

I did create a thread in the AVR sub-forum but didn't get much replies. Since room correction is a popular topic here, as is PEQ in general, I asked here.
To make your decision even harder;

Even though I have an AVR with XT32...and payed a premium for it...after a couple of years using XT32, I have recently began running with Audyssey off and have been very pleasantly surprised that I prefer it. The bass just seems "tighter", less "floppy", less "boomy" and more impactful. The rest of the frequency range sounds a bit better as well (to my ears at least) with the highs having a little more "sparkle" to them and the mids not quite as subdued.

Just FYI, XT32 did have quite a bit of boost in the sub region on my system...that may be why I prefer it off. However, I did copy the Audyssey Flat curve to the GEQ and am using it that way. The GEQ is still adding a bit of boost at 65hz (the only band below 120hz on my AVR), but not as much as before.

*Sorry for all the "audiophile" terms.
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I'm asking because with the MiniDSP 2x4 and sub PEQ filters generated in REW I can't seem to tolerate boost filters much for extended periods (even 1-3dB boosts that are low Q). I also find the auto PEQ for speakers on my Yamaha AVR fatiguing after a while.

So, part of me is worried that Audyssey or the like will also have the same issue for me since it won't be cut only EQ.

I did create a thread in the AVR sub-forum but didn't get much replies. Since room correction is a popular topic here, as is PEQ in general, I asked here.
To make your decision even harder;

Even though I have an AVR with XT32...and payed a premium for it...after a couple of years using XT32, I have recently began running with Audyssey off and have been very pleasantly surprised that I prefer it. The bass just seems "tighter", less "floppy", less "boomy" and more impactful. The rest of the frequency range sounds a bit better as well (to my ears at least) with the highs having a little more "sparkle" to them and the mids not quite as subdued.

Just FYI, XT32 did have quite a bit of boost in the sub region on my system...that may be why I prefer it off. However, I did copy the Audyssey Flat curve to the GEQ and am using it that way. The GEQ is still adding a bit of boost at 65hz (the only band below 120hz on my AVR), but not as much as before.

*Sorry for all the "audiophile" terms.
Thanks for the input. Seems I need to get the best AVR overall, not just room correction and also consider something like YPAO that lets you zero out the gain on boost PEQ filters.

My current plan is to try an AVR with Audyssey XT32 from somewhere like Crutchfield that has a 60 day return policy and if I can't make XT32 work for me and everything else SQ and feature wise isn't enough over my current Yamaha AVR to justify the added expense than I will try a comparable Yamaha or Pioneer or other AVR with adjustable PEQ post room correction.

That being said, I do want something less bright than my current Yamaha and reviews of the Denon and Marantz models do seem to fit that bill... lots of decisions to make, but I do have another 2-3 months before purchase window.
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Currently, Denon X3300W/X3400H and Yamaha RX-A870 seem to be top choices. Both have 7.2ch pre-outs in case I ever want an external EQ and/or amplification for that matter. $1K MSRP is basically the limit unless there are huge sales.
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is there a downside if I place the fv15hp and fv25hp both near my couch...one as end table and other o its side behind center of couch? starting to get anxious thinking of different setups to try.

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To make your decision even harder;

Even though I have an AVR with XT32...and payed a premium for it...after a couple of years using XT32, I have recently began running with Audyssey off and have been very pleasantly surprised that I prefer it. The bass just seems "tighter", less "floppy", less "boomy" and more impactful. The rest of the frequency range sounds a bit better as well (to my ears at least) with the highs having a little more "sparkle" to them and the mids not quite as subdued.

Just FYI, XT32 did have quite a bit of boost in the sub region on my system...that may be why I prefer it off. However, I did copy the Audyssey Flat curve to the GEQ and am using it that way. The GEQ is still adding a bit of boost at 65hz (the only band below 120hz on my AVR), but not as much as before.

*Sorry for all the "audiophile" terms.
I've never even run my SR-6011 without Audyssey since I've gotten it. Maybe I will give it a shot. I doubt it'll sound better in my room and my situation though. I'd like to hear the difference though.

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Thanks for the input. Seems I need to get the best AVR overall, not just room correction and also consider something like YPAO that lets you zero out the gain on boost PEQ filters.

My current plan is to try an AVR with Audyssey XT32 from somewhere like Crutchfield that has a 60 day return policy and if I can't make XT32 work for me and everything else SQ and feature wise isn't enough over my current Yamaha AVR to justify the added expense than I will try a comparable Yamaha or Pioneer or other AVR with adjustable PEQ post room correction.

That being said, I do want something less bright than my current Yamaha and reviews of the Denon and Marantz models do seem to fit that bill... lots of decisions to make, but I do have another 2-3 months before purchase window.
I can attest to the Marantz being softer sounding and less harsh than MCACC was with Pioneer. I find I enjoy louder volumes more now than before due to not being battered with loud sharp sounds nearly as much, if ever.
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To make your decision even harder;

Even though I have an AVR with XT32...and payed a premium for it...after a couple of years using XT32, I have recently began running with Audyssey off and have been very pleasantly surprised that I prefer it. The bass just seems "tighter", less "floppy", less "boomy" and more impactful. The rest of the frequency range sounds a bit better as well (to my ears at least) with the highs having a little more "sparkle" to them and the mids not quite as subdued.

Just FYI, XT32 did have quite a bit of boost in the sub region on my system...that may be why I prefer it off. However, I did copy the Audyssey Flat curve to the GEQ and am using it that way. The GEQ is still adding a bit of boost at 65hz (the only band below 120hz on my AVR), but not as much as before.

*Sorry for all the "audiophile" terms.
I've never even run my SR-6011 without Audyssey since I've gotten it. Maybe I will give it a shot. I doubt it'll sound better in my room and my situation though. I'd like to hear the difference though.

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Thanks for the input. Seems I need to get the best AVR overall, not just room correction and also consider something like YPAO that lets you zero out the gain on boost PEQ filters.

My current plan is to try an AVR with Audyssey XT32 from somewhere like Crutchfield that has a 60 day return policy and if I can't make XT32 work for me and everything else SQ and feature wise isn't enough over my current Yamaha AVR to justify the added expense than I will try a comparable Yamaha or Pioneer or other AVR with adjustable PEQ post room correction.

That being said, I do want something less bright than my current Yamaha and reviews of the Denon and Marantz models do seem to fit that bill... lots of decisions to make, but I do have another 2-3 months before purchase window.
I can attest to the Marantz being softer sounding and less harsh than MCACC was with Pioneer. I find I enjoy louder volumes more now than before due to not being battered with loud sharp sounds nearly as much, if ever.
Good to know, because my SVS primes could be tamed down a bit even though they are mostly neutral.

As to boost EQ, I seem to be particularly sensitive to it and/or my room acoustics are the real problem with too much etc reflections and modal ringing in spectrogram. Don't really want to get into room treatments as my room is the farthest thing from a dedicated ht room.

Main thing I have to decide if Audyssey XT32 does not play well with my ears/room is the Denon with Audyssey off better or is Yamaha with YPAO on, but boost PEQ bands zeroed out. Probably go for Denon if the sound is significantly warmer with Audyssey off. Had some Sonys in the past and they were indeed warmer than my Yamaha.
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