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I am not familiar with this. Can you detail how?
When you disable Audyssey, the Graphic EQ option (under the Audio menu) should no longer be greyed out. Go into the GEQ setup screen and you should see a "Copy" menu option...at least that is how it works on my Denon 4520.
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^^ thanks Alan. I will take a look on my x4000.
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i think a tad warmer...but yamahas can be tweaked very easily.
Thanks, I think my plan of trying Denon first and having Yamaha as a close 2nd in case I'm not happy with the Denon is a good plan. I would really like to be able to use XT32 but if it behaves in terms of boost eq like my current EQ options than it won't be usable for me.

I know YPAO volume on the Yamahas is like Dynamic EQ on the Denons. Does it require YPAO to be on to work just like Audyssey must be on for Dynamic EQ?

Also, can anyone link me to the official thread for the RX-A870/1070 and 860/1060? I have some questions about the various 'flavors' of YPAO.
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I have a yamaha aventage 8xxx and I disable all the "stuff" and leave it like that...mainly pure direct for music...didnt really dive in on this avr as I picked it up for a steal and sits in my garage.

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What's funny how people describe audio. Warm means what? Fuzzy, muted highs and thick bass? A fellow avs guy came last month to hear my canton. He was like wow they are so thick and warm. It's amazing. Lol. Canton are sharp and clinical. He thought warm was good highs.

People use these to describe audio but don't really understand meaning.

Yamaha and onkyo have similar sound. Detailed sound with full of life.

Audyssey flattens the sound to much. Takes the excitement out of it. Best thing you can do is turn audyssey off and eq yourself. Marantz 7011 sounds exactly like denon 4300 after audyssey eq.

Yamaha has the best eq to adjust. Yamaha just needs to strengthen preout gain to over 3v rms. It would be perfect after that!

Audyssey is great for people that can never figure out how to setup their system. It'll take you 90 percent of the way there. Will never get you to perfect though.

A onkyo or integra with no eq with just ch level adjust will sound better then most audyssey avrs. Why they really dropped audyssey. Was no advantage to keeping. Other then a marketing move to say we have it.

Pioneer also does a great job customizing eq. They've been doing it same way for over a decade. Pioneer was criticized for years for being to bright or clinical. So they adjusted to sound more like a denon or marantz. They really changed in 2014 year. Since that change the pioneer elite line has been on a steady decline. The sc68 or sc57 is much better then sc99 or lx901.
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Is the Denon significantly warmer than those Yamahas?
The latest Yamaha I owned was the RX-V3800 and I found the amplifier section superior to Denon's (it is 10 lbs heavier than a X4x00). I have not owned an Aventage.

Pioneer and Onkyo are now partnered. Pioneer uses class D amplification so they are the most energy efficient. In the past I found Onkyo/Integra's amplifier sections as good or better than Yamaha. Initially when Onkyo dropped Audyssey they did not want to supply the DSP horsepower to do both Atmos and Audyssey simultaneously. I think it was a mistake because their initial solution was inferior and they lost market share to D+M and Y. I have no idea what their REQ solution looks like today.

TMK I would rank the Auto REQs accordingly.

Room Perfect
Trinnov
Dirac
Anthem ARC
Audyssey XT32
Yamaha YPAO/Onkyo/Pioneer

I hope they fix the Audyssey app quickly. Being able to limit Audyssey to the room's model region (i.e. <500Hz) is a welcome advancement drawing it much closer to ARC.
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Really processing ability isn't why onkyo dropped audyssey. They were looking for a reason to drop them for a few years. If you go and listen to a onkyo rz900 or rz1100 it's far superior to 5009 and 3010. I've had all 4. They are all good in their own way. Audyssey just didn't help in anyway unless you have really poor speakers that need a bunch of eq.

Arcam and anthem are decent products but are a waste of money. Think of it this way. Anthem is a rel sub. Arcam is a jl sub. Yamaha is a rythmik. Onkyo is a seaton. Integra is a jtr.

Denon is a svs. Marantz is a hsu.

Marc you should try a new aventage.

On a different note I'm getting better and getting stronger. Wife got me a marantz 7011. Wanted to cheer me up. Lol. I do like it but I hate to tell her that I don't want to keep it. Honestly it sounds good but closer to my Yamaha 1060 then my others. Does sound similar to denon 4200 that I just sold.
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When you disable Audyssey, the Graphic EQ option (under the Audio menu) should no longer be greyed out. Go into the GEQ setup screen and you should see a "Copy" menu option...at least that is how it works on my Denon 4520.
In my case of the x4000, the GEQ is only available when I select GEQ for MultEQ XT32. If I select off for MultEQ XT32 (turn Audyssey OFF), the GEQ is still grayed out. When you copy, is your speaker selection set to 'All' or 'Each' or 'Left/Right'? On your posted graphs earlier, is the red = Audyssey, blue = GEQ?
This gives me a reason to pull out my Umik-1, which I haven't touched for months, and run a few REW sweeps to compare Audyssey flat and the copied GEQ curve. Thanks.

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Is the Denon significantly warmer than those Yamahas?
The latest Yamaha I owned was the RX-V3800 and I found the amplifier section superior to Denon's (it is 10 lbs heavier than a X4x00). I have not owned an Aventage.

Pioneer and Onkyo are now partnered. Pioneer uses class D amplification so they are the most energy efficient. In the past I found Onkyo/Integra's amplifier sections as good or better than Yamaha. Initially when Onkyo dropped Audyssey they did not want to supply the DSP horsepower to do both Atmos and Audyssey simultaneously. I think it was a mistake because their initial solution was inferior and they lost market share to D+M and Y. I have no idea what their REQ solution looks like today.

TMK I would rank the Auto REQs accordingly.

Room Perfect
Trinnov
Dirac
Anthem ARC
Audyssey XT32
Yamaha YPAO/Onkyo/Pioneer

I hope they fix the Audyssey app quickly. Being able to limit Audyssey to the room's model region (i.e. &lt;500Hz) is a welcome advancement drawing it much closer to ARC.
One thing I wanted to ask about YPAO is once you copy the YPAO calibration to the manual PEQ filters can you then turn off YPAO and just play with the PEQ filters you just copied?

because I have read YPAO reflected sound control does use some FIR taps before auto PEQ and it remains active as long as YPAO is engaged even if the PEQ filters are zeroed out in gain. I posted a link here about this a few weeks back when CitSur was asking about Audyssey XT32 and how it works with his duals.
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