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Thanks mphfrom77 I will check out that site!

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Anybody? I would rather not spend more money on a subwoofer if 100db at 20hz is sufficient? Although I could stretch my budget to $750 if necessary I don't have exact dimensions of the space the subwoofer is going to have to occupy, but it is on the large side and opens up to a breakfast area and kitchen. What do you guys think? Should I just pick up an Outlaw LFM1 EX, SVS PB12-NSD or HSU VTF-3 MK4 and be done with it or give the Rythmik FV12 a shot? This will be my first high end subwoofer.... Any thoughts would be much appreciated!

When you are comparing subs on Data-Bass pay attention to the curves. Rythmik rises and peaks at 20Hz and stays flat the competition doesn't peak till 40-50Hz. Also all the ported Rythmik subs have basically the same curve the higher the price the louder they will get, the same is true for the sealed subs. You might look at the DIY subs to save some money if you can build the box yourself.
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LarryU So when you say that the "Rythmik rises and peaks at 20Hz and stays flat the competition doesn't peak till 40-50Hz" is this a good thing or not so good?

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LarryU So when you say that the "Rythmik rises and peaks at 20Hz and stays flat the competition doesn't peak till 40-50Hz" is this a good thing or not so good?

It's a great thing. Look at the curve for the FV15HP on Data-Bass now compare it to the Velodyne DD18+ they are very similar, now take a look at the price of the Velodyne, I’ll save you the time it’s a $5000 sub and the curves are almost identical. As I said before all the Rythmik subs have the same curve just different outputs you can see how they compare on the Rythmik web site on the products page. I know you said you were interested in the FV12 but in order to say if this will work for you I need to know what the rest of your system is what speakers you are mating the sub too and your room size also is music or movies more important to you. I know you said you don’t have a sub, so any sub will be an unbelievable improvement. Ok, I just looked at your price limit and that pretty much limits you to the FV12 unless you can do a DIY sub which would put you in the FV15 range but not everybody has the means or desire to do a Do It Yourself sub. I know this is more than you asked for but nobody really gave you an answer before.
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Below is what my system consists of at the moment. It is not great, but it's my first attempt at a descent home theater system. This will be for 75% HT duty and 25% music when we have get togethers at the house. I don't have the dimensions of the living room, but I can say it's pretty large and pretty open to the rest of the house. I guess I could always try out the FV12 and if I am not satisfied I could always return within 30 days for a full refund and just pick up something more powerful. I have a feeling I will be satisfied coming from the below subwoofer that I currently have Historically I have never bought the best and then it ends up being a waste of money because I want something better, so I want to do this right the first time. As you can see below this will be a 2.1 system.

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I wont be losing money on shipping if I am not satisfied with the FV12 because I work like 2 miles from their warehouse, so that is an advantage I have going for me.

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Really, cool. Maybe you should call and talk to them. You never know, they may have some b-stock or something.
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I was trying to decide between the FV12 and LFM-1 EX and eventually decided with the LFM-1 EX. Mainly because there was very little info about the FV12 at the time (and almost no comparisons) and I liked the way the LFM-1 EX looked better. I wouldn't hesitate to go with the Rythmik though.

However, I figure if I am going to go with Rythmik, i'd prefer to get one of their higher end sealed subs.
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Below is what my system consists of at the moment. It is not great, but it's my first attempt at a descent home theater system. This will be for 75% HT duty and 25% music when we have get togethers at the house. I don't have the dimensions of the living room, but I can say it's pretty large and pretty open to the rest of the house. I guess I could always try out the FV12 and if I am not satisfied I could always return within 30 days for a full refund and just pick up something more powerful. I have a feeling I will be satisfied coming from the below subwoofer that I currently have Historically I have never bought the best and then it ends up being a waste of money because I want something better, so I want to do this right the first time. As you can see below this will be a 2.1 system.

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The FV12 will kill your current sub. On the looks part you are the one that has to be happy.

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I was trying to decide between the FV12 and LFM-1 EX and eventually decided with the LFM-1 EX. Mainly because there was very little info about the FV12 at the time (and almost no comparisons) and I liked the way the LFM-1 EX looked better. I wouldn't hesitate to go with the Rythmik though.

However, I figure if I am going to go with Rythmik, i'd prefer to get one of their higher end sealed subs.

I would take any Rythmik over any Outlaw.
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The FV12 will kill your current sub. On the looks part you are the one that has to be happy.

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Oh I am sure just about anything out there will be a night and day difference over what I have now. Screw it I am going to give the Rythmik a shot I have nothing to lose..... I will post pics and my opinion after I pick it up in an effort to help others who might be in the same boat as I am.

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However, I figure if I am going to go with Rythmik, i'd prefer to get one of their higher end sealed subs.[/quote]

My dilemma as well! I can get an F15HP for the same price of the FV15HP. I want to try a sealed sub, but would I be happy with "that sealed sound" over a ported sound. Also the FV15HP is the same size as my current sub.

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However, I figure if I am going to go with Rythmik, i'd prefer to get one of their higher end sealed subs.

My dilemma as well! I can get an F15HP for the same price of the FV15HP. I want to try a sealed sub, but would I be happy with "that sealed sound" over a ported sound. Also the FV15HP is the same size as my current sub.

Jeff[/quote]

I faced your same dilemma. I owned a ported svs 20-39pc+ for years and when i recently upgraded my whole system i debated the same two rythmik subs. My use is 80% theater and 20% music. In the end i went with the F15HP and it has been great. It blends perfectly with my dynaudio setup and has plenty of output for me. Sound quality over pure output was my priority. Either sub will sound awesome no matter which you choose.
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My dilemma as well! I can get an F15HP for the same price of the FV15HP. I want to try a sealed sub, but would I be happy with "that sealed sound" over a ported sound. Also the FV15HP is the same size as my current sub.

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I faced your same dilemma. I owned a ported svs 20-39pc+ for years and when i recently upgraded my whole system i debated the same two rythmik subs. My use is 80% theater and 20% music. In the end i went with the F15HP and it has been great. It blends perfectly with my dynaudio setup and has plenty of output for me. Sound quality over pure output was my priority. Either sub will sound awesome no matter which you choose.[/quote]

I envy you guys I wish I could talk to the wife into upping my budget!

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I would take any Rythmik over any Outlaw.

I'm surprised when I see the top end rolloff of some Rythmik models. Unless I'm reading their graphs wrong, several Rythmiks begin to fade out around 90Hz. What if your mains and satellites didn't have much low extension?

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I'm surprised when I see the top end rolloff of some Rythmik models. Unless I'm reading their graphs wrong, several Rythmiks begin to fade out around 90Hz. What if your mains and satellites didn't have much low extension?

If you use the LFE input they have a higher top end rolloff

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If you use the LFE input they have a higher top end rolloff

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/F15_specs.html

That's something I haven't understood well--if I remember right, the notes seem to say that it's the PEQ3 version of the amplifier, set to LFE input, that allows (admirably flat!) extension through 200Hz or beyond, but that amp doesn't always seem like it's available as an option...?

I can't be the only one who's been confused about this. And does the FV12 (which has only LFE, right?) have that very high extension, or is it only in the models higher up?

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I'm surprised when I see the top end rolloff of some Rythmik models. Unless I'm reading their graphs wrong, several Rythmiks begin to fade out around 90Hz. What if your mains and satellites didn't have much low extension?

When you use the LFE input and set your AVR higher they will go up to around 200Hz. With the Line Level and speaker level inputs they will only go up to 120Hz.
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When you use the LFE input and set your AVR higher they will go up to around 200Hz. With the Line Level and speaker level inputs they will only go up to 120Hz.

Is that true of the FV12?

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Hey Larry

Will all of the rythmik subs get up to 200hz with the LFE input?


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Below is what my system consists of at the moment. It is not great, but it's my first attempt at a descent home theater system. This will be for 75% HT duty and 25% music when we have get togethers at the house. I don't have the dimensions of the living room, but I can say it's pretty large and pretty open to the rest of the house. I guess I could always try out the FV12 and if I am not satisfied I could always return within 30 days for a full refund and just pick up something more powerful. I have a feeling I will be satisfied coming from the below subwoofer that I currently have Historically I have never bought the best and then it ends up being a waste of money because I want something better, so I want to do this right the first time. As you can see below this will be a 2.1 system.

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Subwoofer

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I think the FV12 will match your system well and because you are primarily movies you will do better with the ported subs. As somebody else said this is way more sub than you have. You will be picking up about 25Hz more extension on the bottom end and a much cleaner output. What none of the graphs can show is what a sub sounds like. What you have is what has been termed a one note boom box, it has a lot of output but in a very narrow band, what you will be getting has a very good output over a very wide band you will be amazed at the difference the FV12 will make. You will need to listen to the new sub to get used to it because you may think it has less output. What you have has so much punch it will be a big difference, but after you listen to it you and let it break in I'm sure you will be amazed at the difference the cleaner, broader sound makes. Enjoy and let us know what you think as you noted there hasn't been a lot of reviews of this sub I'm sure other people would like to hear what you think.
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Hey Larry

Will all of the rythmik subs get up to 200hz with the LFE input?


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Yes, if you use the LFE input. Look on the Rythmik site under the Performance & Specifications page for each sub and it shows a graph of the LFE input.
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Even though the sub can go up to 200hz, ideally would you not want to cross over somewhere around 80-100hz or so? I would think that while capable they would do their best work in the lower frequencies. Let the main speakers do the work in the 100hz and higher frequencies.

Not trying to start anything, I am just asking for my benefit and thinking out loud. I have tried several cross over points from 60 to 110hz but not anything higher. I'll have to try to see if I can tell a difference. Currently I have them crossed at 100hz.

I'm running Ascend Towers and Horizon center with CBM 170-SE's as surrounds.

Interesting.

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Yes, if you use the LFE input. Look on the Rythmik site under the Performance & Specifications page for each sub and it shows a graph of the LFE input.

SaviorMachine is correct... according to the specs, the FV12 currently ships with the A300 amplifier and the F12G ships with the A370PEQ amp, neither of which have the "LFE" option. If one really wants the LFE option in either of these subs, I suspect that Brian (Rythmik) might be willing to substitute an A370PEQ3 amp for a modest upcharge, although I know he likes to keep things consistent in each of his "official" models.
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I'm surprised when I see the top end rolloff of some Rythmik models. Unless I'm reading their graphs wrong, several Rythmiks begin to fade out around 90Hz. What if your mains and satellites didn't have much low extension?

People with poorer performing micro-speakers need to look elsewhere. Or buy better mains/satellites.
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Even though the sub can go up to 200hz, ideally would you not want to cross over somewhere around 80-100hz or so? I would think that while capable they would do their best work in the lower frequencies. Let the main speakers do the work in the 100hz and higher frequencies.

Not trying to start anything, I am just asking for my benefit and thinking out loud. I have tried several cross over points from 60 to 110hz but not anything higher. I'll have to try to see if I can tell a difference. Currently I have them crossed at 100hz.

I'm running Ascend Towers and Horizon center with CBM 170-SE's as surrounds.

Interesting.

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I agree with you just because you can doesn't mean you should. Anything above 80Hz and you are going to start getting localization, the higher you go the worse it gets until you can tell were the bass is coming from. I looked at the specs on the Ascend Towers and I think you are crossing them too high. They will play into the 30Hz range so I wouldn't go any higher than 80Hz for a crossover. I have my Klipsch F3's that will also play into the 30Hz range crossed at 60. But my Rythmik is on a side wall and any higher and I start to get a little localization.
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People with poorer performing micro-speakers need to look elsewhere. Or buy better mains/satellites.

I do not agree at all with you. Get the best you can afford and then work on building the rest of the system to match. Everybody doesn't have the money to put together a killer system all at once. I have been through four systems starting with a good Sony HTIB. For most people it is a evolving process. I wish I would have bought a Rythmik to start with then I would have only been through two subs instead of four. But on the way here I would have balked at the price when I bought my second sub. JMHO
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I do not agree at all with you. Get the best you can afford and then work on building the rest of the system to match. Everybody doesn't have the money to put together a killer system all at once. I have been through four systems starting with a good Sony HTIB. For most people it is a evolving process. I wish I would have bought a Rythmik to start with then I would have only been through two subs instead of four. But on the way here I would have balked at the price when I bought my second sub. JMHO
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People buy what they can afford, I get that. But for some to imply the Rythmiks are "inferior" because it can't "go out to light", is total bs, imo.
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I think the FV12 will match your system well and because you are primarily movies you will do better with the ported subs. As somebody else said this is way more sub than you have. You will be picking up about 25Hz more extension on the bottom end and a much cleaner output. What none of the graphs can show is what a sub sounds like. What you have is what has been termed a one note boom box, it has a lot of output but in a very narrow band, what you will be getting has a very good output over a very wide band you will be amazed at the difference the FV12 will make. You will need to listen to the new sub to get used to it because you may think it has less output. What you have has so much punch it will be a big difference, but after you listen to it you and let it break in I'm sure you will be amazed at the difference the cleaner, broader sound makes. Enjoy and let us know what you think as you noted there hasn't been a lot of reviews of this sub I'm sure other people would like to hear what you think.
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Larry thanks for the reply! I can't wait to pick up this sub and share my
thoughts in an effort to help others. I think since this sub is so new to the game it gets over shadowed by the likes of Outlaw, HSU,SVS etc I'm sure though that it is a hell of a product, especially with Rythmiks reputation.

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Originally Posted by LarryU View Post

I agree with you just because you can doesn't mean you should. Anything above 80Hz and you are going to start getting localization, the higher you go the worse it gets until you can tell were the bass is coming from. I looked at the specs on the Ascend Towers and I think you are crossing them too high. They will play into the 30Hz range so I wouldn't go any higher than 80Hz for a crossover. I have my Klipsch F3's that will also play into the 30Hz range crossed at 60. But my Rythmik is on a side wall and any higher and I start to get a little localization.


I'm still doing a lot of tweaking with my setup and just plain enjoying my system so I will do some "critical listening" and set the crossover at several different points and see what I can come up with.

I was aware that my towers play pretty low, but obviously they don't have the impact down low that my FV15HP does.

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