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The Yamaha does not have pre outs but the Denon X4000 does. So when you have the X4000 just run a RCA cable from the Center channel preout to the Line IN of your LV12R and you will get the same result as speaker level inputs.

Hey thanks Enrico thats awesome news! Kinda made my day actually that my lv12r will be put to good use! Thank you so much!

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I'm not really firmiliar with per outs.. its a yamy vx373.

I'll be upgrading to a denon x4000 soon though
Thats a heck of an upgrade. Congrats!

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What is it that youd like to do?

Some allow you to purchase the second unit at a later time and receive the entire discount off it. Didn't know if Rythmik did that.
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Brian I really wish my lv12r had the high level input posts so I could hook it up to my center channel for more umph.

Is there a reason u didn't incorporate Theese on the lv12r? I'm assuming its because the lv12r is a "budget" sub.

It would have been nice to have because my poor lv12r is still sitting unplugged.

Its to nice a sub for me to get rid of it for what I would get.

Since the LV12R lacks high-level inputs, is there a workaround to be able to drive it off an amp that doesn't have pre-outs or a sub out? In the near-term, I've been thinking of driving a subwoofer off the high-level output on my Audioengine A5+ powered speakers, that way I can control the system volume through the A5+s.

The alternative is that the NAD integrated amp driving my two-channel music system has pre-outs connected to inputs that lead to the amplification section, I assume I can split the pre-out signal and send it to a sub as well as back into the integrated amp to the amp section for the speakers?

Longer term I'll likely get a proper home theater receiver, but am fairly happy with the two-channel setup for now, though it could really use reinforcement at lower levels (hence the near-term interest in a sub).

The budget-busting FV15HP alternative offers a high-level input, plus a high-pass filter output on one of the alternate amp options (based on the Rythmic website, it's not clear to me whether this adds to the cost of the subwoofer or has other trade-offs versus the standard alternative).

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Since the LV12R lacks high-level inputs, is there a workaround to be able to drive it off an amp that doesn't have pre-outs or a sub out? In the near-term, I've been thinking of driving my subwoofer off the high-level output on my Audioengine A5+ powered speakers, that way I can control the system volume through the A5+s.

The alternative is that the NAD integrated amp driving my two-channel music system has pre-outs connected to inputs that lead to the amplification section, I assume I can split the pre-out signal and send it to the sub as well as back into the integrated amp to the amp section for the speakers?

Longer term I'll likely get a proper home theater receiver, but am fairly happy with the two-channel setup for now, though it could really use reinforcement at lower levels (hence the near-term interest in a sub).

The budget-busting FV15HP alternative offers a high-level input, plus a high-pass filter output on one of the alternate amp options (based on the Rythmic website, it's not clear to me whether this adds to the cost of the subwoofer or has other trade-offs versus the standard alternative).

Thanks for the info!

I actually own dual fv15hps and there amazing. Exactly why the lv12r is sitting unplugged. I think I'll just wait till I get my receiver and do it that way

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Thats a heck of an upgrade. Congrats!

Ya thanks I can't wait! Especially for x32 n sub eq

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Thanks for the info!

I actually own dual fv15hps and there amazing. Exactly why the lv12r is sitting unplugged. I think I'll just wait till I get my receiver and do it that way

Sounds epic. I have a hard time justifying one FV15HP, especially paired with a very modest setup, so leaning LV12R, but the forum is gradually wearing down my budget resolve, so we'll see what I eventually end up getting.

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Ya thanks I can't wait! Especially for x32 n sub eq

You are gonna love the X4000. I upgraded last year from an Onkyo 809 to a Marantz SR7008 and it worth every $ I paid for it. Audyssey XT32 + SubEQ HT did an amazing job with my two F12SEs.

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The Yamaha does not have pre outs but the Denon X4000 does. So when you have the X4000 just run a RCA cable from the Center channel preout to the Line IN of your LV12R and you will get the same result as speaker level inputs.
How does he connect his center speaker then?
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How does he connect his center speaker then?

split the pre-out using a Y-jack
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Growing up as a kid I always loved the cheesy Godzilla movies. The one that came out a few years ago was so so in my opinion. Just not that good, but I'm actually excited about the new one coming out this year. It looks a little more dark and more of a thriller. Check out the trailer if you haven't already.

It certainly does. I like the last bit of the trailer the best where right after the dinosaur roar there a slight bit of good LFE.
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He doesn't need to split the signal from the pre out because he will be driving his center channel with the X4000 internal amp. As far I know he does not have external amps so pre outs are available.

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Since the LV12R lacks high-level inputs, is there a workaround to be able to drive it off an amp that doesn't have pre-outs or a sub out? In the near-term, I've been thinking of driving a subwoofer off the high-level output on my Audioengine A5+ powered speakers, that way I can control the system volume through the A5+s.

You can find speaker-to-line-level converters (attenuators) that would allow you to use the L/R speaker outputs to drive the sub. Parts Express used to have them but I have not looked recently; Monoprice and other electronic supply houses may also have them. They are more common in car audio systems. I have seen them called "high-low" converters.

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Sounds epic. I have a hard time justifying one FV15HP, especially paired with a very modest setup,....

As the voice of unreason, allow me to encourage, not one but two FV15HPs. It all is going depend on what you want/expect out of your system. If you want to walk away after each viewing and know you've been ridden hard and put away wet with a smile on your face (horse talk so don't go there), then get a pair of FV15HPs. If you want to have some bass, that won't rock your world, get a pair of LV12Rs. Just saying, there's a reason for budget subwoofers and it's not because they're as good as the good stuff.

What do you want? That's what you should get.

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(i wish there was a way to share what we experience during a showing)

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In my opinion, if folks were to hear what we hear, the conversation would end. A couple nights ago, I rescreened "Dark City" (my opinion, the pre-cursor to "The Matrix"), and there's no doubt the bass was head-and-shoulders above theater sound.

It's a personal call where they want to go, where they want to be when deciding which subwoofer system to go with.
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Sounds epic. I have a hard time justifying one FV15HP, especially paired with a very modest setup, so leaning LV12R, but the forum is gradually wearing down my budget resolve, so we'll see what I eventually end up getting.

How large is your room? Is it sealed or open? Also, how far will the MLP be from the subs?

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How large is your room? Is it sealed or open? Also, how far will the MLP be from the subs?

Open floorplan, so I have ~4500 cubic feet to pressurize. Conversely, I definitely don't listen/watch movies at reference levels, and my expectations are thoroughly in check.

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Open floorplan, so I have ~4500 cubic feet to pressurize. Conversely, I definitely don't listen/watch movies at reference levels, and my expectations are thoroughly in check.

My living room is not large, but is completely exposed. I have a FV15HP right now nearfield by my main listening position hooked up to a Rocketfish Wireless Transmitter/Receiver kit. Sounds excellent and I don't have a 25 ft subwoofer cable to deal with. This provides clean solid bass with lots of tactile feel to my couches. It will do for now until I can save up enough cash for possibly a second FV15HP a year or so from now. I just wanted you to know that you can get away with one sub for now if nearfield.

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My living room is not large, but is completely exposed. I have a FV15HP right now nearfield by my main listening position hooked up to a Rocketfish Wireless Transmitter/Receiver kit. Sounds excellent and I don't have a 25 ft subwoofer cable to deal with. This provides clean solid bass with lots of tactile feel to my couches. It will do for now until I can save up enough cash for possibly a second FV15HP a year or so from now. I just wanted you to know that you can get away with one sub for now if nearfield.

I see in your signature you have or had a pair of LV12Rs. How would you compare them to the single FV15HP?

Also, how is the nearfield placement for music? Especially for classical music, it seems like it might be sub-par.

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I currently have all three. It's not really fair to compare them to a subwoofer that cost 3x as much smile.gif They are great subs, but it would be too much to ask them to compete with the challenges my room poses. I do miss the smoothness that the duals provided from seat to seat, but they just cant hang with the power and extension of the FV15HP. Funny you should ask about music I have actually yet to jam out to anything with the FV15HP.

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I currently have all three. It's not really fair to compare them to a subwoofer that cost 3x as much smile.gif

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I see in your signature you have or had a pair of LV12Rs. How would you compare them to the single FV15HP?

Also, how is the nearfield placement for music? Especially for classical music, it seems like it might be sub-par.

Appreciate your thoughts!

When I placed my fv15hps nearfeild I gained about 8 dbs which was awzome but the sound was muddy and lacked depth and detail.

I also had the corner loaded in front which I lost about 5 dbs and the sound was better clearner and more detailed.

Then I moved them closer to the center on each side of the TV and lost another few dbs but the quality of sound was amazing! I opted for this as a final desision.

One thing to note was the when located next to my TV my subs shook the room and gave tighter chest thump action better despite the db loss. I found this very interestimg.. one way to describe it would be that it "felt" louder.

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Depending on how mean one is, sure it is. tongue.gif


The LV12-R is a great sub for the money. It has both good extension and good articulation and is very difficult to beat in its price class. For terms of articulation, I would pit the LV12-R against any sealed sub and not worry that it's going to get trampled. However, it still has limitations that its price class prevents from overcoming. One can do easily do a lot worse than an LV12-R
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The LV12-R is a great sub for the money. It has both good extension and good articulation and is very difficult to beat in its price class. For terms of articulation, I would pit the LV12-R against any sealed sub and not worry that it's going to get trampled. However, it still has limitations that its price class prevents from overcoming. One can do easily do a lot worse than an LV12-R

My quoted comment was humor. I wouldn't be in a hurry to put the LV12R against better quality subs as yes price/performance does limit it's capabilities and yes, one easily could do worse as in my opinion, agreeing with you, the LV12R is the top dog in it's price class.
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I currently have all three. It's not really fair to compare them to a subwoofer that cost 3x as much smile.gif They are great subs, but it would be too much to ask them to compete with the challenges my room poses. I do miss the smoothness that the duals provided from seat to seat, but they just cant hang with the power and extension of the FV15HP. Funny you should ask about music I have actually yet to jam out to anything with the FV15HP.

I see you've updated your signature :D

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Mmmmmmmm! Rythmik FV15HP. Mmmmmmmm!

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on the rythmik site, the 8" custom install kit is listed as "Four DS800-3 drivers and two HX300 in sealed configuration for a pair of subwoofers after discount", shouldn't that be "... two HX600 .."
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on the rythmik site, the 8" custom install kit is listed as "Four DS800-3 drivers and two HX300 in sealed configuration for a pair of subwoofers after discount", shouldn't that be "... two HX600 .."

I mean HX580
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I did it! Just ordered an F12! She's going to be pissed! Well, until she feels the warmth of deep bass!

 

Site says back-order. Anyone know how long one should expect to wait?

 

 

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