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All you need to do is ask for help...did you install the asio driver?

I know I should have I went through that REW guide word for word. Maybe I'll try it again in the near future or try the Omnimic per Dominguez suggestion.

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Pick up the Omnimic. You'll literally be measuring your response 10 minutes after you get it. Very easy.
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The one from Cross Spectrum.

Omnimic seems to be nearly $300.

I was debating about the umik from cross spectrum versus the people that make minidsp. The minidsp folks sell it for $20 cheaper, but it seems they calibrate it in fewer ways. Probably better to do it right and get the Cross Spectrum one.

I've got REW on my macbook, and a mic stand, so I should be pretty much ready once i get a calibrated USB mic.

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Last I checked miniDSP uses a single calibration file for all mics; Cross Spectrum calibrates each one individually. The price difference is not that large so I would go for the more accurate calibration. (Disclaimer: I use a different measurement mic and professional SW so have not tried either mic.)

Once you have the mic, you have to get REW or something like it and whatever other hardware (if any) for your PC to perform the actual analysis and figure out how to interpret the results. You can generate compensatory curves using miniDSP plug-ins for that unit to provide correction.

Omnimic is a complete system meant to be a "turnkey" easy-to-use way for audiophiles to measure their systems. Using REW (or anything similar) means a learning curve.

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Omnimic seems to be nearly $300.

I was debating about the umik from cross spectrum versus the people that make minidsp. The minidsp folks sell it for $20 cheaper, but it seems they calibrate it in fewer ways. Probably better to do it right and get the Cross Spectrum one.

I've got REW on my macbook, and a mic stand, so I should be pretty much ready once i get a calibrated USB mic.

The UMIK from cross spectrum is calibrated flat to 5hz, the one from mini dsp is not.
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The UMIK from cross spectrum is calibrated flat to 5hz, the one from mini dsp is not.

Well yes and no, the mics are measured down to 5hz and then they provide you with a report sheet telling you how much its off by. For example my UMIK-1 is flat from 16,000hz down to 20hz and after that it starts to roll off. At 10hz its -2.76, 8hz -4.27, 6.3hz -6.41 and 5hz -9.08.

So I guess if I measured 100dB @ 5hz its really 109.8dB.
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Last I checked miniDSP uses a single calibration file for all mics; Cross Spectrum calibrates each one individually. The price difference is not that large so I would go for the more accurate calibration. (Disclaimer: I use a different measurement mic and professional SW so have not tried either mic.
The MiniDSP UMIK-1s do include an individual 0 degree calibration file. That's fine for bass, but for full frequency measurements from multiple speakers, you will want a 90 degree calibration file.

It's worth the extra $20 to get it from Cross Spectrum Labs, which includes both 0 degree and 90 degree files.

If you already bought the MiniDSP version, you can use this utility to generate an individual 90 degree file from your individual 0 degree file:
http://www.minidsp.com/forum/umik-questions/10088-translate-0-degree-calibration-to-90-degree


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Well yes and no, the mics are measured down to 5hz and then they provide you with a report sheet telling you how much its off by. For example my UMIK-1 is flat from 16,000hz down to 20hz and after that it starts to roll off. At 10hz its -2.76, 8hz -4.27, 6.3hz -6.41 and 5hz -9.08.

So I guess if I measured 100dB @ 5hz its really 109.8dB.
If you use the calibration file with software that supports it (like REW), it will apply the correction automatically. This works quite well in practice.


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I know I should have I went through that REW guide word for word. Maybe I'll try it again in the near future or try the Omnimic per Dominguez suggestion.
Yes. There are plenty of gotchas, like disabling bass management in Windows, which is on by default.


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Last I checked miniDSP uses a single calibration file for all mics; Cross Spectrum calibrates each one individually. The price difference is not that large so I would go for the more accurate calibration. (Disclaimer: I use a different measurement mic and professional SW so have not tried either mic.
The MiniDSP UMIK-1s do include an individual 0 degree calibration file. That's fine for bass, but for full frequency measurements from multiple speakers, you will want a 90 degree calibration file.

It's worth the extra $20 to get it from Cross Spectrum Labs, which includes both 0 degree and 90 degree files.

If you already bought the MiniDSP version, you can use this utility to generate an individual 90 degree file from your individual 0 degree file:
http://www.minidsp.com/forum/umik-questions/10088-translate-0-degree-calibration-to-90-degree

Thanks, I was misinformed (or they changed or reworded since I last looked).

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I stumbled upon Rythmik subs when I was shopping for CBM-170s over at Ascend Acoustic.  

 

From what I read, these subs seem like the real deal.    

 

I'm having trouble deciding between getting 2 F12s or 2 F15s.  My closed concept room is 19x13 with 8 foot ceilings.  I play about 65% movies and 35% music.  I'm seated 9.5 feet from the front sound stage.  After reading some blogs over at Acoustic Frontiers, Nyal placed 2 subs at 25% of front wall and 75% of front wall to even bass response to all seating positions in his room.  This is what I plan to do with the Rythmiks.  I would like the reference level to be 85 db with 111db peaks.  Will the F12s get the job done or should I look to the F15s?  Is there anything in sound quality that you give up with the F12s to get the F15s?  I will rarely be playing at 85db and I won't give up sound quality to once and awhile play it that loud.

 

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No SQ differences. The F15's cost a little more, are a little larger, and play a little louder. If you've the room and budget I'd just get the F15's. That said, my room is similar in size and my pair of F12's is more than adequate to induce panic attacks.
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No SQ differences. The F15's cost a little more, are a little larger, and play a little louder. If you've the room and budget I'd just get the F15's. That said, my room is similar in size and my pair of F12's is more than adequate to induce panic attacks.

Thanks for the quick reply, Don.  I'm going to go with the F12s.  I could use the extra room and the $200 can go toward DIY absorption panels.  

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Output differences with various models:
http://www.rythmikaudio.com/products1.html

It does matter, IMO.


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Of course it does, if you need the higher output. In this case the room is not large, is sealed, he's putting in two subs, and the difference in output between the F12 and F15 is only 2 dB. I suggested F15's but I would not hesitate to pick up a pair of F12's and apply the difference to room treatment. I do not subscribe to "the biggest sub wins" school of thought. The F15's were too large for my setup and I am nowhere close to exceeding the output of my F12's.

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After calling Rythmik and explaining my scenario, I was reassured that 2 f12s would be more than enough.  The guy I spoke to said that he had a 3000 cubic foot room and 2 f12s.  He set his dial just under the halfway point and his receiver still knocks it down -12.  He told me that 2 f15s would be overkill.  

 

It's nice to see a company not try to sell you something you don't need.  I was also told that I will get a 10% discount for ordering 2 subs.  Very nice.  Unfortunately I will have to wait 'till the end of July to get the black oak though.  

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Yes, that was me. I'm running two F12SE's in a 2800 cf room. Volume in the subwoofers is set at 11 and Audyssey still setup levels at -12. I like to run my subwoofers hot so I set the level in the receiver at -6, so even that I still have plenty of headroom to work with.
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Yes, that was me. I'm running two F12SE's in a 2800 cf room. Volume in the subwoofers is set at 11 and Audyssey still setup levels at -12. I like to run my subwoofers hot so I set the level in the receiver at -6, so even that I still have plenty of headroom to work with.

Thanks again Enrico.  I appreciate the quick call back.

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I wonder what Brian's best seller is to date since Rythmik opened. rolleyes.gif

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Has anyone tried applying a boost to the low end using the PEQ on the amp itself? Any tips or advice would be much appreciated.

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Sometimes I do a 60Hz boost (+1.5dB) using the PEQ. The PEQ in my subwoofers is already set at 60Hz, +1.5dB and mid Bandwidth. It's OFF most of the time but I like to turn it ON when listen to jazz and Latin music. It give you a little extra punch on percussion and drums

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Sometimes I do a 60Hz boost (+1.5dB) using the PEQ. The PEQ in my subwoofers is already set at 60Hz, +1.5dB and mid Bandwidth. It's OFF most of the time but I like to turn it ON when listen to jazz and Latin music. It give you a little extra punch on percussion and drums
How do you know on the knob what frequency you are setting the boost to as there are no numbers? Same with the gain I believe. I'm trying to figure out the best way to only boost the low end say +6db 30hz down.

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Every dot on the frequency knob is 10Hz. Starting from 20Hz the next dot clockwise is 30Hz and the one at 12 o'clock is 40Hz.

The max you can boost is +3dB (PEQ Gain knob at 7 o'clock) and the max you can cut is -12dB (PEQ Gain at 5 o'clock)
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^^ what about the bandwidth knob, Enrico? What is the Q range from min to max?
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^^ what about the bandwidth knob, Enrico? What is the Q range from min to max?
What frequency range do you have your low shelf filter boost applied to again?

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Every dot on the frequency knob is 10Hz. Starting from 20Hz the next dot clockwise is 30Hz and the one at 12 o'clock is 40Hz.

The max you can boost is +3dB (PEQ Gain knob at 7 o'clock) and the max you can cut is -12dB (PEQ Gain at 5 o'clock)
If I wanted to apply a +3db boost 30hz and under what whould I set the bandwith to? Also, if after Audyssey calibration I boost the sub trim +3db and then apply this boost 30hz and down will that essentially give me a +6db boost under 30hz and only +3db above that? Sorry for the redundancy!

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I have my low shelf centered at 60hz with 6db boost since it is a gradual rise. So it rises a little at 60 from flat then reach 6db rise down low to 10hz in my room. The Q value determine the slope of the rise which is why I asked Enrico about the Rythmik bandwidth knob.
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Yes, that was me. I'm running two F12SE's in a 2800 cf room. Volume in the subwoofers is set at 11 and Audyssey still setup levels at -12. I like to run my subwoofers hot so I set the level in the receiver at -6, so even that I still have plenty of headroom to work with.
Hi,

I am trying to figure out the subbage I need for my large room. It is approx 5400 cf and in my walkout basement (cement floor). My history of subs I have tried in this room include the following (in order):
  • One F15 (I loved the sound for music - but the output was a bit weak for HT)
  • Two SVS PB12s (the output wasn't bad - but the sound was not very detailed compared to the F15)
  • Various other choices (many I shouldn't have tried) that didn't work
  • Two LV12Rs (better output than the one F15 - and better sound for music than the SVS PB12s. However, to make them sound best for music, I lose the depth).
I am sold on the sound, quality, and customer service of Rythmik. My first thought was two D15SEs, They look nice - and would sound like the F15 - but I would have 2 of them. If not sufficient, I could go with dual F15HPs. However, the price starts to get up there. I know that one FV15HP would provide more output than any 2 sealed subs. I am just not sure if it would satisfy me for music - and if one would be enough for my room (most say you need two subs to even out the response in sich a large room).

I talked to both Enrico and Brian both before and after my purchase of the LV12Rs. While they were supportive of dual sealed subs in the past, they both seem to favor one FV 15Hp at this point.

I spend most of my time listening to music - mostly jazz lately. My TV and HT watching is not a high percentage - maybe 30 to 40%. I find sound quality the nost important. while I need enough output - I am not one who plays at extreme levels. My setup consists of an Onkyo 5009 receiver and Def Tech BP8060s with matching center and surrounds.

Any help is appreciated!

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By "lose the depth" do you mean they (the pair of LV12R's) do not sound as low? They go pretty deep, so I suspect placement may have more to do with it than their -3 dB corner.

The room is a big factor in output over frequency, and sub placement a big factor in what and how you can compensate for the room.

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I would go ported in your room size and probably the reason Rythmik recommended the fv15hp. I don't use mine much for music but when I do, they sound fantastic. Since you like the sound of the lv12r, the fv15hp will serve you as it has more output than the dual lv and has the same sound quality if not better.
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