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No SQ differences. The F15's cost a little more, are a little larger, and play a little louder. If you've the room and budget I'd just get the F15's. That said, my room is similar in size and my pair of F12's is more than adequate to induce panic attacks.
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No SQ differences. The F15's cost a little more, are a little larger, and play a little louder. If you've the room and budget I'd just get the F15's. That said, my room is similar in size and my pair of F12's is more than adequate to induce panic attacks.

Thanks for the quick reply, Don.  I'm going to go with the F12s.  I could use the extra room and the $200 can go toward DIY absorption panels.  

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Output differences with various models:
http://www.rythmikaudio.com/products1.html

It does matter, IMO.
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Of course it does, if you need the higher output. In this case the room is not large, is sealed, he's putting in two subs, and the difference in output between the F12 and F15 is only 2 dB. I suggested F15's but I would not hesitate to pick up a pair of F12's and apply the difference to room treatment. I do not subscribe to "the biggest sub wins" school of thought. The F15's were too large for my setup and I am nowhere close to exceeding the output of my F12's.

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After calling Rythmik and explaining my scenario, I was reassured that 2 f12s would be more than enough.  The guy I spoke to said that he had a 3000 cubic foot room and 2 f12s.  He set his dial just under the halfway point and his receiver still knocks it down -12.  He told me that 2 f15s would be overkill.  

 

It's nice to see a company not try to sell you something you don't need.  I was also told that I will get a 10% discount for ordering 2 subs.  Very nice.  Unfortunately I will have to wait 'till the end of July to get the black oak though.  

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Yes, that was me. I'm running two F12SE's in a 2800 cf room. Volume in the subwoofers is set at 11 and Audyssey still setup levels at -12. I like to run my subwoofers hot so I set the level in the receiver at -6, so even that I still have plenty of headroom to work with.
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Yes, that was me. I'm running two F12SE's in a 2800 cf room. Volume in the subwoofers is set at 11 and Audyssey still setup levels at -12. I like to run my subwoofers hot so I set the level in the receiver at -6, so even that I still have plenty of headroom to work with.

Thanks again Enrico.  I appreciate the quick call back.

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I wonder what Brian's best seller is to date since Rythmik opened. rolleyes.gif

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Has anyone tried applying a boost to the low end using the PEQ on the amp itself? Any tips or advice would be much appreciated.

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Sometimes I do a 60Hz boost (+1.5dB) using the PEQ. The PEQ in my subwoofers is already set at 60Hz, +1.5dB and mid Bandwidth. It's OFF most of the time but I like to turn it ON when listen to jazz and Latin music. It give you a little extra punch on percussion and drums



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Sometimes I do a 60Hz boost (+1.5dB) using the PEQ. The PEQ in my subwoofers is already set at 60Hz, +1.5dB and mid Bandwidth. It's OFF most of the time but I like to turn it ON when listen to jazz and Latin music. It give you a little extra punch on percussion and drums
How do you know on the knob what frequency you are setting the boost to as there are no numbers? Same with the gain I believe. I'm trying to figure out the best way to only boost the low end say +6db 30hz down.

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Every dot on the frequency knob is 10Hz. Starting from 20Hz the next dot clockwise is 30Hz and the one at 12 o'clock is 40Hz.

The max you can boost is +3dB (PEQ Gain knob at 7 o'clock) and the max you can cut is -12dB (PEQ Gain at 5 o'clock)
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^^ what about the bandwidth knob, Enrico? What is the Q range from min to max?
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^^ what about the bandwidth knob, Enrico? What is the Q range from min to max?
What frequency range do you have your low shelf filter boost applied to again?

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Every dot on the frequency knob is 10Hz. Starting from 20Hz the next dot clockwise is 30Hz and the one at 12 o'clock is 40Hz.

The max you can boost is +3dB (PEQ Gain knob at 7 o'clock) and the max you can cut is -12dB (PEQ Gain at 5 o'clock)
If I wanted to apply a +3db boost 30hz and under what whould I set the bandwith to? Also, if after Audyssey calibration I boost the sub trim +3db and then apply this boost 30hz and down will that essentially give me a +6db boost under 30hz and only +3db above that? Sorry for the redundancy!

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I have my low shelf centered at 60hz with 6db boost since it is a gradual rise. So it rises a little at 60 from flat then reach 6db rise down low to 10hz in my room. The Q value determine the slope of the rise which is why I asked Enrico about the Rythmik bandwidth knob.
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Yes, that was me. I'm running two F12SE's in a 2800 cf room. Volume in the subwoofers is set at 11 and Audyssey still setup levels at -12. I like to run my subwoofers hot so I set the level in the receiver at -6, so even that I still have plenty of headroom to work with.
Hi,

I am trying to figure out the subbage I need for my large room. It is approx 5400 cf and in my walkout basement (cement floor). My history of subs I have tried in this room include the following (in order):
  • One F15 (I loved the sound for music - but the output was a bit weak for HT)
  • Two SVS PB12s (the output wasn't bad - but the sound was not very detailed compared to the F15)
  • Various other choices (many I shouldn't have tried) that didn't work
  • Two LV12Rs (better output than the one F15 - and better sound for music than the SVS PB12s. However, to make them sound best for music, I lose the depth).
I am sold on the sound, quality, and customer service of Rythmik. My first thought was two D15SEs, They look nice - and would sound like the F15 - but I would have 2 of them. If not sufficient, I could go with dual F15HPs. However, the price starts to get up there. I know that one FV15HP would provide more output than any 2 sealed subs. I am just not sure if it would satisfy me for music - and if one would be enough for my room (most say you need two subs to even out the response in sich a large room).

I talked to both Enrico and Brian both before and after my purchase of the LV12Rs. While they were supportive of dual sealed subs in the past, they both seem to favor one FV 15Hp at this point.

I spend most of my time listening to music - mostly jazz lately. My TV and HT watching is not a high percentage - maybe 30 to 40%. I find sound quality the nost important. while I need enough output - I am not one who plays at extreme levels. My setup consists of an Onkyo 5009 receiver and Def Tech BP8060s with matching center and surrounds.

Any help is appreciated!

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By "lose the depth" do you mean they (the pair of LV12R's) do not sound as low? They go pretty deep, so I suspect placement may have more to do with it than their -3 dB corner.

The room is a big factor in output over frequency, and sub placement a big factor in what and how you can compensate for the room.

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I would go ported in your room size and probably the reason Rythmik recommended the fv15hp. I don't use mine much for music but when I do, they sound fantastic. Since you like the sound of the lv12r, the fv15hp will serve you as it has more output than the dual lv and has the same sound quality if not better.
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I'm thinking about trying out the Anti-Mode 8033S-II. Seems like it's a solid EQ for one or multiple subs and it will automatically apply boosts at different frequencies if you desire. What do you guys think?

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^^ from what I read and seen graphs, xt32 with subEQ is better than antimode. MiniDSP is usually recommended.
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Well if this is the case then I might as well save my coin for a new receiver. It's between the Denon X4000 and Onkyo TX-NR1010. I know the Denon is a fantastic receiver, but I know the Onkyo is too. Just not sure if the X4000 is worth $200 more than the TX-NR1010.

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^^ I buy the Onkyo for $200 less.
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Well if this is the case then I might as well save my coin for a new receiver. It's between the Denon X4000 and Onkyo TX-NR1010. I know the Denon is a fantastic receiver, but I know the Onkyo is too. Just not sure if the X4000 is worth $200 more than the TX-NR1010.
Get the Onkyo. I just replaced my TXNR1007 with the TXNR3010, love it!
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Thanks!

I appreciate all of your suggestions.

To respond to DonH50s question - the two LV12Rs do not go as deep as the F15 I previously had. I had the F15 set to 14hz - so that is expected. I just miss the deep bass it provided. I expect the FV15HP will come close. I was mostly wondering if one FV15HP would be able to provide fairly even bass in such a large room. Or, if two subs would be needed.

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If one sub did not before, a bigger one will not now. "Even bass" depends more upon the room and subwoofer placement than the sub itself.

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Well if this is the case then I might as well save my coin for a new receiver. It's between the Denon X4000 and Onkyo TX-NR1010. I know the Denon is a fantastic receiver, but I know the Onkyo is too. Just not sure if the X4000 is worth $200 more than the TX-NR1010.
JT78681,

Be aware that Onkyo has had a history of HDMI issues. There is a thread for the TX-NR1010 at AVS: Onkyo TX-NR1010

While not well documented, the TX-NR1010 seems to have sub EQ HT which is great.

I'm just concerned about the reliability of Onkyo's at the moment. If you end up with a lemon at great discount, it's still a lemon at the end.

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Thanks!

I appreciate all of your suggestions.

To respond to DonH50s question - the two LV12Rs do not go as deep as the F15 I previously had. I had the F15 set to 14hz - so that is expected. I just miss the deep bass it provided. I expect the FV15HP will come close. I was mostly wondering if one FV15HP would be able to provide fairly even bass in such a large room. Or, if two subs would be needed.

Thanks,

John

Indeed, the extension and damping control of LV12R is not same as F15 or FV15HP. To get high damping, the extension will give up 2hz or so. John must have very good memory of how F15 sounded with 14hz extension. It means the choice is either FV15HP use 1 port set to 14hz high damping to get as close to F15 14hz high damping as possible, or get two F15HP (less cost effective).
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Have you cosidered a F25 since majority of your listening is music? This setup will give you the most headroom above 40hz and still offer good deep bass performance. I believe the FV15hp would have the advantage below 20hz, but still should have good output down low. If you were more into HT I would say FV15HP all day in that size room and still may not be a bad idea just in case you start enjoying more blu ray tracks.
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