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^^ from what I read and seen graphs, xt32 with subEQ is better than antimode. MiniDSP is usually recommended.
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Well if this is the case then I might as well save my coin for a new receiver. It's between the Denon X4000 and Onkyo TX-NR1010. I know the Denon is a fantastic receiver, but I know the Onkyo is too. Just not sure if the X4000 is worth $200 more than the TX-NR1010.

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^^ I buy the Onkyo for $200 less.
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Well if this is the case then I might as well save my coin for a new receiver. It's between the Denon X4000 and Onkyo TX-NR1010. I know the Denon is a fantastic receiver, but I know the Onkyo is too. Just not sure if the X4000 is worth $200 more than the TX-NR1010.
Get the Onkyo. I just replaced my TXNR1007 with the TXNR3010, love it!
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Thanks!

I appreciate all of your suggestions.

To respond to DonH50s question - the two LV12Rs do not go as deep as the F15 I previously had. I had the F15 set to 14hz - so that is expected. I just miss the deep bass it provided. I expect the FV15HP will come close. I was mostly wondering if one FV15HP would be able to provide fairly even bass in such a large room. Or, if two subs would be needed.

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If one sub did not before, a bigger one will not now. "Even bass" depends more upon the room and subwoofer placement than the sub itself.

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Well if this is the case then I might as well save my coin for a new receiver. It's between the Denon X4000 and Onkyo TX-NR1010. I know the Denon is a fantastic receiver, but I know the Onkyo is too. Just not sure if the X4000 is worth $200 more than the TX-NR1010.
JT78681,

Be aware that Onkyo has had a history of HDMI issues. There is a thread for the TX-NR1010 at AVS: Onkyo TX-NR1010

While not well documented, the TX-NR1010 seems to have sub EQ HT which is great.

I'm just concerned about the reliability of Onkyo's at the moment. If you end up with a lemon at great discount, it's still a lemon at the end.

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Thanks!

I appreciate all of your suggestions.

To respond to DonH50s question - the two LV12Rs do not go as deep as the F15 I previously had. I had the F15 set to 14hz - so that is expected. I just miss the deep bass it provided. I expect the FV15HP will come close. I was mostly wondering if one FV15HP would be able to provide fairly even bass in such a large room. Or, if two subs would be needed.

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Indeed, the extension and damping control of LV12R is not same as F15 or FV15HP. To get high damping, the extension will give up 2hz or so. John must have very good memory of how F15 sounded with 14hz extension. It means the choice is either FV15HP use 1 port set to 14hz high damping to get as close to F15 14hz high damping as possible, or get two F15HP (less cost effective).
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Have you cosidered a F25 since majority of your listening is music? This setup will give you the most headroom above 40hz and still offer good deep bass performance. I believe the FV15hp would have the advantage below 20hz, but still should have good output down low. If you were more into HT I would say FV15HP all day in that size room and still may not be a bad idea just in case you start enjoying more blu ray tracks.
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JT78681,

Be aware that Onkyo has had a history of HDMI issues. There is a thread for the TX-NR1010 at AVS: Onkyo TX-NR1010

While not well documented, the TX-NR1010 seems to have sub EQ HT which is great.

I'm just concerned about the reliability of Onkyo's at the moment. If you end up with a lemon at great discount, it's still a lemon at the end.
Steve,

I have done quite a bit of research and I'm aware of the HDMI issues some Onkyo's can have. However, everything I have read on the TX-NR1010 seems to be positive and I don't recall seeing one instance of an HDMI related issue. I do appreciate the heads up though.

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Have you cosidered a F25 since majority of your listening is music? This setup will give you the most headroom above 40hz and still offer good deep bass performance. I believe the FV15hp would have the advantage below 20hz, but still should have good output down low. If you were more into HT I would say FV15HP all day in that size room and still may not be a bad idea just in case you start enjoying more blu ray tracks.
I second this and if he can be patient I think they will be back in stock shortly (knock on wood).

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I posted this in the Salk forum at Audiocircle, but I figured I should get opinions here too:

I've been enjoying my Salk Veracity STs and Supercharged Song Center for almost a year now, and it's time to replace my aging Velodyne CT100 sub. I'll be transforming our formal living/dining area into a sealed media/entertaining room, and would like to get some opinions on which sub will be better for my application. I'm a 50/50 music/home theatre guy, so I want something that will play deep, but also be musically accurate and integrate well. The specs on my Velodyne, for comparison sake, are 28hz - 120hz +/- 3 dB.

So here's my dilemma...should I go for dual 12" Rythmiks or a single 15" with the passive radiators? My room is about 3100 cubic feet and won't be open to any other rooms. The only think I know for sure is that I want Jim's version of the Rythmik veneered to match my Veracity STs.

Here is an approximate layout of what the room will end up looking like:

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I'm thinking about trying out the Anti-Mode 8033S-II. Seems like it's a solid EQ for one or multiple subs and it will automatically apply boosts at different frequencies if you desire. What do you guys think?
I built two Rythmik subs using the DS1510 woofers and PEQ600XLR3 amps and am utilizing an Antimode 8033 SII and have had great results. I am using a Yamaha CX-A5000 preamp that utilizes YPAO. A friend of mine has the Marantz 8801 and one weekend we did side by side comparisons using passive AB switches and believe it or not my system with the Antimode sounded much better even after he spent over an hour calibrating his system using Audysee. I think any stand alone sub eq will do a better job than than Audsyee, YPAO, MCAC as you have much more control of the settings/filters ect.
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I built two Rythmik subs using the DS1510 woofers and PEQ600XLR3 amps and am utilizing an Antimode 8033 SII and have had great results. I am using a Yamaha CX-A5000 preamp that utilizes YPAO. A friend of mine has the Marantz 8801 and one weekend we did side by side comparisons using passive AB switches and believe it or not my system with the Antimode sounded much better even after he spent over an hour calibrating his system using Audysee. I think any stand alone sub eq will do a better job than than Audsyee, YPAO, MCAC as you have much more control of the settings/filters ect.
Thanks for sharing your experience. My dilemma right now is do I spend $369 on a stand alone sub eq or $1100 and up on a receiver with XT32 and Sub eq? I'm leaning more towards the Antimode just to try it out and see what kind of results I can get out of it. It's worth a shot for a few hundred bucks.

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I posted this in the Salk forum at Audiocircle, but I figured I should get opinions here too:

I've been enjoying my Salk Veracity STs and Supercharged Song Center for almost a year now, and it's time to replace my aging Velodyne CT100 sub. I'll be transforming our formal living/dining area into a sealed media/entertaining room, and would like to get some opinions on which sub will be better for my application. I'm a 50/50 music/home theatre guy, so I want something that will play deep, but also be musically accurate and integrate well. The specs on my Velodyne, for comparison sake, are 28hz - 120hz +/- 3 dB.

So here's my dilemma...should I go for dual 12" Rythmiks or a single 15" with the passive radiators? My room is about 3100 cubic feet and won't be open to any other rooms. The only think I know for sure is that I want Jim's version of the Rythmik veneered to match my Veracity STs.

Here is an approximate layout of what the room will end up looking like:


Before picking up my second FV15HP I had one in a room over 5000 cu ft completely exposed to the rest of the house. It performed well, but I wanted a second FV to even out the response in my crappy room. You're room is not nearly as big and is sealed. I would try and swing an FV15HP and be done with it. Buy the kit from Rythmik (driver and amp) and find a cabinet maker to build you something that matches the veneer you are after. Heck reach out to Salk and see if they can build you something.

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Before picking up my second FV15HP I had one in a room over 5000 cu ft completely exposed to the rest of the house. It performed well, but I wanted a second FV to even out the response in my crappy room. You're room is not nearly as big and is sealed. I would try and swing an FV15HP and be done with it. Buy the kit from Rythmik (driver and amp) and find a cabinet maker to build you something that matches the veneer you are after. Heck reach out to Salk and see if they can build you something.
I'm definitely going to have Jim Salk build it (them). He offers 3 versions of the Rythmik sub, a 12" sealed, and 15" sealed, and a 15" with dual passive radiators. Since this is a dual purpose room, I'm trying to find a good compromise between both music and home theatre. My old sub would play down to 28hz, and I was satisfied with it for home theatre...it was music that I never could get right. That's why I'm, at this point, leaning toward dual 12".
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I'm definitely going to have Jim Salk build it (them). He offers 3 versions of the Rythmik sub, a 12" sealed, and 15" sealed, and a 15" with dual passive radiators. Since this is a dual purpose room, I'm trying to find a good compromise between both music and home theatre. My old sub would play down to 28hz, and I was satisfied with it for home theatre...it was music that I never could get right. That's why I'm, at this point, leaning toward dual 12".
The FV15HP sounds impressive with music. That's the beauty of it having such a rich amplifier. It's loaded with so many features that you can tailor the sound to suit your needs with the flip of a switch or two. I know he only offers those 3 versions on the website, but I'm sure he could build you a cab for the FV15HP. Good luck in your quest!
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Thanks!

I appreciate all of your suggestions.

To respond to DonH50s question - the two LV12Rs do not go as deep as the F15 I previously had. I had the F15 set to 14hz - so that is expected. I just miss the deep bass it provided. I expect the FV15HP will come close. I was mostly wondering if one FV15HP would be able to provide fairly even bass in such a large room. Or, if two subs would be needed.

Thanks,

John
Hi John. Here is a good article by Nyal Mellor that might help you with multiple subwoofers and bass response.

http://www.acousticfrontiers.com/home-theater-blog/2013/10/9/multiple-subwoofer-case-study-af-demo-room
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I posted this in the Salk forum at Audiocircle, but I figured I should get opinions here too:

I've been enjoying my Salk Veracity STs and Supercharged Song Center for almost a year now, and it's time to replace my aging Velodyne CT100 sub. I'll be transforming our formal living/dining area into a sealed media/entertaining room, and would like to get some opinions on which sub will be better for my application. I'm a 50/50 music/home theatre guy, so I want something that will play deep, but also be musically accurate and integrate well. The specs on my Velodyne, for comparison sake, are 28hz - 120hz +/- 3 dB.

So here's my dilemma...should I go for dual 12" Rythmiks or a single 15" with the passive radiators? My room is about 3100 cubic feet and won't be open to any other rooms. The only think I know for sure is that I want Jim's version of the Rythmik veneered to match my Veracity STs.

Here is an approximate layout of what the room will end up looking like:

If you are going to stick with SALK, the 15" with Passive Rad will be close to the FV15. I would stick to dual as much as possible so my vote would be the dual 12's... if you are not a bass head.
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I do this with my 3 F25's and two F15's , I set the levels so they all match before Audyssey ,

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^^ He did post picture but it was hard to see the subs
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So here's my dilemma...should I go for dual 12" Rythmiks or a single 15" with the passive radiators?
I would definitely go for the dual 12" subs, placed at 1/4 and 3/4 of room width, which will help smoothen out the bass response across your main seating area. Can't do that with a single sub, no matter how big it is nor how much output it has.

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Must be a big @$$ room, he may need bigger subs

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Thanks for sharing your experience. My dilemma right now is do I spend $369 on a stand alone sub eq or $1100 and up on a receiver with XT32 and Sub eq? I'm leaning more towards the Antimode just to try it out and see what kind of results I can get out of it. It's worth a shot for a few hundred bucks.
Why not get sub eq in the form of the miniDSP for $105? Then it is not attached to your AVR and can be kept in the chain regardless of which AVR you use in the future.

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^^^ +1.

that would be my suggestion, with the caveat that you also need to pick up a measurement mic, download REW, and learn how it all works. If you want a turnkey solution the Antimode is cheapest/easiest for now if it is only $369.

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So here's my dilemma...should I go for dual 12" Rythmiks or a single 15" with the passive radiators?
That is a fairly complex room layout and still a decent-sized space. For best overall response and decent output I would get two F12's as others have said.

FWIWFM, a couple of years ago when I was shopping and listening I found my F12 matched or overmatched everything up to about $3k+ from Velodyne and several other vendors. Rythmik plays deeper and with less distortion than most commercial products.
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That is a fairly complex room layout and still a decent-sized space. For best overall response and decent output I would get two F12's as others have said.

FWIWFM, a couple of years ago when I was shopping and listening I found my F12 matched or overmatched everything up to about $3k+ from Velodyne and several other vendors. Rythmik plays deeper and with less distortion than most commercial products.
I'm sure my expectations will be far exceeded going with the 2 F12s. The only sub I've ever had is my old Velodyne, and it only has a 10" driver, a 100 watt amp, and only is rated down to 28Hz. It is vented, and was much better than anything else I auditioned at the time, but that was 15 years ago, and my budget was $500.

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Why not get sub eq in the form of the miniDSP for $105? Then it is not attached to your AVR and can be kept in the chain regardless of which AVR you use in the future.
I recently bought and returned a mic from cross spectrum because I got frustrated because I couldn't get REW to detect the mic. I went through all the write ups on here with no luck. I don't mind reading extensive instructions on how to set something up, but after I go through all that and it still doesn't work my patience runs a little thin.
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Sounds like a PITA. Sounds like a problem with the PC drivers but I do not use REW.

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I had a 12 inch MK before I had my F15, I was blown away, the Rythmik dances circles around the M&K. I am pretty sure two F12 would blow you away.

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I'm sure my expectations will be far exceeded going with the 2 F12s. The only sub I've ever had is my old Velodyne, and it only has a 10" driver, a 100 watt amp, and only is rated down to 28Hz. It is vented, and was much better than anything else I auditioned at the time, but that was 15 years ago, and my budget was $500.

Thanks!

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