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F18HP 18" driver with 1,000 watts and Servo Technology
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Brian don't listen to all these dreamers..... Keep up the great work!
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I understand fully that there are many DIY bassaholics out there that build huge subs and place them all around their rooms. I can't help but wonder, however, about people who are "waiting" for F25HPs or hoping for ported FV25HPs without having heard the current F25. One of these beasts is enough for most people and one is overkill for me. Yet, I have 2 of them in a small room ad I am considering a third at some point in the future, not because I need more bass, but simply to tame the room a bit and allow for even more headroom and even lower distortion at my normal listening levels. Rythmik already makes some pretty special subwoofers. Waiting for a possible future product is taking away from your ability to have very pleasurable bass right now. Just my opinion.
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I understand fully that there are many DIY bassaholics out there that build huge subs and place them all around their rooms. I can't help but wonder, however, about people who are "waiting" for F25HPs or hoping for ported FV25HPs without having heard the current F25. One of these beasts is enough for most people and one is overkill for me. Yet, I have 2 of them in a small room ad I am considering a third at some point in the future, not because I need more bass, but simply to tame the room a bit and allow for even more headroom and even lower distortion at my normal listening levels. Rythmik already makes some pretty special subwoofers. Waiting for a possible future product is taking away from your ability to have very pleasurable bass right now. Just my opinion.
1F25 is overkill for you, yet you have 2, with a eye on a 3rd? If you were not a basshead you would of simply ordered 2-3 F15's and called it good. However you went for the top of the food chain because you are a basshead like the rest of us.

Lets keep it real here, you know you would luv to see a F18HP or something nasty in the pipelineike the rest of us.
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You missed my point. What I am saying is that too often I read about people here who are waiting for the next "latest and greatest". Go to the Emotiva area and wade through the posts of people who have been waiting for years for an updated processor. It happens a lot here. Yup, I would love to see newer and better models, but like the old saying "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush", I feel bad for the legions here that are always waiting for the next one instead of purchasing something now that they can enjoy with the thought that perhaps they will upgrade if something better does actually come along.
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Were not waiting for the next big thing before we buy..... we already have Rythmik subs.. we just want more and want it bigger and have the right to say RYTHMIK has a servo 18 !!!
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I never understood the use of Max SPL, If I'm running my system flat. If my MAX @ 20hz is 95db my MAX @ 40hz should be 95db because I'm not going to run my system into compression.
That is not correct. The reason you think that way is you assume all subs are naturally flat, or the spectral content of any music is uniform across frequencies. Just some 30 years ago, there are even argument that there were no need for reproducing signals below 40hz most instruments do not even play that low. So it is perfectly ok for a sub to be able to play 110db at 40hz and 90db at 20hz. It depends on how you use the subwoofer.

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I understand headroom but I figured most people want a flat response. I would be more interested to know how loud 16hz is when 64hz is @ 95db's.

There is no correlation in any playback material that you can conclude how much SPL is needed at 16hz when 64hz is @95db. We have been selling the commercial version of this DIY kit for over 10 years now. I have just recently asked what extension setting my customers use. The reply is 14hz. Isn't that counter-intuitive?


Most of us like enjoy the sound reproduction that makes you feel you are at the recording site. That means a lot of detail and ambiance information. Servo preserves the detail of sound and low extension captures the ambiance information. Our sealed subs have this extension setting of 14hz/20hz/28hz. If one compares the sound between those 3 settings, the trend is clear: the lower the bass extension goes, the deeper, wider, taller the sound becomes. That makes the sound more enjoyable and realistic. It is an art of designing a music hall. Invite a band into your family room and playing there is not as enjoyable as the same band playing at a larger space like bar. If one cannot understand this, he has not mastered the art of sound.

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Eg. This Rythmik F12 kit to me has a MAX SPL of 92-93db's overall with 10hz @ 83db's (or 10hz at +/- 5 dbs)

I still remember one well-known subwoofer designer once said, the best bass is no bass. Based on your logic, indeed what he said will be true. The subwoofer with the highest extension gets to play the loudest .


Ilkka didn't explain how to interpret the plots very well. A lot of un-EQed DIY subwoofer with only 40hz extension actually get the best THD numbers. But the problem is when you have a 40hz extension, what you think is a 120db plot is actually only 120-12=108db @20hz and 120-24=98db @10hz.
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I'm jumping ship again and switching back to both ports open. I've experimented with both modes and different settings for quite some time now and I always find myself coming back to 2 port mode. To those of you wondering if there is a noticeable difference in output between the two modes. Yes, there is and it's not subtle. If you have a large open room and are looking for a bit more slam I suggest you try running both ports open.

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So tempted to hop all over this...... Someone please stop me!

FV15HP B-stock blemish on amp corner
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Description: B-stock FV15HP black oakPrice B-stock FV15HP black oak with H600PEQ3 amplifier and multi-tune $1138

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Okay I think I'm in the clear. That was a close call!

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Okay I think I'm in the clear. That was a close call!
Do it...put one nearfield!
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That's it I'm cancelling my membership here.

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That's it I'm cancelling my membership here.


If you haven't tried your FV's nearfield yet, you're in for a real treat! Not only that, but certainly helps smoothing and headroom as well....and what a great price and no shipping to boot for you!
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That is not correct. The reason you think that way is you assume all subs are naturally flat, or the spectral content of any music is uniform across frequencies.

There is no correlation in any playback material that you can conclude how much SPL is needed at 16hz when 64hz is @95db.

Most of us like enjoy the sound reproduction that makes you feel you are at the recording site. That means a lot of detail and ambiance information. Servo preserves the detail of sound and low extension captures the ambiance information.
Thanks for the great response. I will need to do more reading. I'm looking forward to one day own a Rythmik Sub.
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*Update

I will be picking up the Onkyo TX-NR1010 for $950 shipped. I just couldn't justify spending an extra $350 for the Denon X4000. This particular model from Onkyo appears to be rock solid with no HDMI issues.

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I will be picking up the Onkyo TX-NR1010 for $950 shipped. I just couldn't justify spending an extra $350 for the Denon X4000. This particular model from Onkyo appears to be rock solid with no HDMI issues.
The street price for X4000 has been below $1K for a long time.
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The street price for X4000 has been below $1K for a long time.
People keep saying that, but I can't find it anywhere for that cheap.

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People keep saying that, but I can't find it anywhere for that cheap.
How about AVS?
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How about AVS?

I'll check with them thanks.
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Ever since the update I can't seem to find anything. How do I get in touch with a dealer at AVS?
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Ever since the update I can't seem to find anything. How do I get in touch with a dealer at AVS?

Hold on...I'll find JD's link.
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Thanks a lot man! Just emailed him.
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Okay guys I need your help. If you were me would you pick-up a 3rd FV15HP to place nearfield? Both my FV15HP's are currently up front about 12 ft away from the MLP. Or would you upgrade the dated receiver I have to the Denon X4000 and move one of my FV15HP's nearfield in the back left corner of the room and move the other to the front right corner? I'll post some pictures of my living room and please excuse the mess. One FV15HP would go where the globe is and the other where my DVD rack is up front.
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Okay guys I need your help. If you were me would you pick-up a 3rd FV15HP to place nearfield? Both my FV15HP's are currently up front about 12 ft away from the MLP. Or would you upgrade the dated receiver I have to the Denon X4000 and move one of my FV15HP's nearfield in the back left corner of the room and move the other to the front right corner? I'll post some pictures of my living room and please excuse the mess. One FV15HP would go where the globe is and the other where my DVD rack is up front.
I would definitely moving 1 of your subs nearfield before you do anything to see if you like it. Do you feel like you could use more headroom?

Your receiver seems fine in my books (I only run XT). Before you do anything, I would either get REW and a mic up and running, or buy the omnimic. I'd also get the minidsp. IMO, you won't have any idea if you've upgraded if you haven't measured your response first. You could have a fantastic response right now, and wouldn't need to upgrade!
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I would definitely moving 1 of your subs nearfield before you do anything to see if you like it. Do you feel like you could use more headroom?

Your receiver seems fine in my books (I only run XT). Before you do anything, I would either get REW and a mic up and running, or buy the omnimic. I'd also get the minidsp. IMO, you won't have any idea if you've upgraded if you haven't measured your response first. You could have a fantastic response right now, and wouldn't need to upgrade!
I pm'd Austin Jerry to see if he would be willing to help me with REW and setting up a mic, but I haven't gotten a response yet. He is in Austin, Texas too.

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That is a good price for the Onkyo, have you checked with the dealer I PMed you a while back. I got my X4000 for less than the price of Onkyo 1010 price you mentioned. He is authorized dealer for both Onkyo, Denon, Klipcsh, etc.... You should try one sub near field behind your seat and leave one upfront. Most of the time these locations will result in a better FR aside from the tactile feeling you will get with one nearfield. I think you will like them even more with these locations and then realize there is a hole in the front or it's no longer symmetric upfront and end up getting a third one to fill that hole
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Okay guys I need your help. If you were me would you pick-up a 3rd FV15HP to place nearfield? Both my FV15HP's are currently up front about 12 ft away from the MLP. Or would you upgrade the dated receiver I have to the Denon X4000 and move one of my FV15HP's nearfield in the back left corner of the room and move the other to the front right corner? I'll post some pictures of my living room and please excuse the mess. One FV15HP would go where the globe is and the other where my DVD rack is up front.
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It's a hard call, but I'd go for the Audyssey XT32 with sub EQ HT that's available on the Denon X4000. The reason being is that Audyssey room correction is very good and XT32 is the top of the line version. There's been a number of posts on the differences between the various versions of Audyssey and according to the guy who invented it, he only recommends XT32. The following article by kbarnes701 is a worthwhile read: "Official" Audyssey thread (FAQ in post #51779)

Jerry Austin tried comparing XT32 with/without the MiniDSP in the audio chain. Audyssey did such a good job with correcting the room modes that MiniDSP didn't really add much to it. If one has a lower version of Audyssey (like I do) then the MiniDSP becomes worthwhile.

I'd only go with a 3rd sub if more output is needed.

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I'm surprised there doesn't seem to be a sticky thread on how to set up a sub, am I overlooking this? I'm looking for a good overview of what to do when my new Rythmik FV15HP arrives, e.g. tips for doing an effective sub crawl, best music to choose for that purpose, tips on optimal sub settings, etc.
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You're lookin at the sticky! We are here to help, so when you get your FV15HP revisit this thread.

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