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Very nice room. 3FVs must be very nice. How big is the room? Got any graph of them 3 to share?
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^^^^ His room doesn't look that big from what I recall when looking at pictures, so those FV's must sound absolutely amazing.....

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Thanks. Sweet set up! I feel like I've been given an offer I can't refuse...
Show your wife Ahmedreda's room and tell her you need two of them at the minimum
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Show your wife Ahmedreda's room and tell her you need two of them at the minimum
He should just show her this picture and tell her there are some members who have 3-4 of them in their room.
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Show your wife Ahmedreda's room and tell her you need two of them at the minimum
That is the ultimate plan, but I think I'll try the one at a time approach. It's a bit chilly sleeping outside.
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That is the ultimate plan, but I think I'll try the one at a time approach. It's a bit chilly sleeping outside.
Sometimes you have to swallow your pride and spend a few nights on the couch.

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I posted on Facebook pictures of the New F8, dual 8" driver sealed subwoofer with HX580 amp.

https://www.facebook.com/rythmikaudio

It looks pretty cool!!!
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Are there any specs on the dual 8" unit? Is the 8" driver from GR Research? I've got the F12G and really like it - but it's not enough to tame the room modes. Thinking of either getting another F12G or going with 2xF8 for a new place. Would like to know the difference between the two units.

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enrico,

Are there any specs on the dual 8" unit? Is the 8" driver from GR Research? I've got the F12G and really like it - but it's not enough to tame the room modes. Thinking of either getting another F12G or going with 2xF8 for a new place. Would like to know the difference between the two units.

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The F8 has two DS800-3 drivers made by Rythmik Audio. There is a 8" servo driver made by GR Research, the GR SW8-16FR but this driver is for OB setup. Brian is working updating the website to publish the specifications for the F8.

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Thank you.. It is 12x20x8 = 1920 cuft.. This is for all 3 starting at -20 (75db) to 0 (95db). I stopped at 95db because it was starting to sound too loud..
That was before the distance tweak. The yellow curve is after the distance tweak but it is only measured at 75db..


I have issues between 100-200hz .. may be I need the F8s


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Very nice room. 3FVs must be very nice. How big is the room? Got any graph of them 3 to share?
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^^ This is subs only, correct? You have same problem I had where if measured with MV=0, your subs were not in the 115db range. If you change the level in REW to -3dBSF (default at -12dBSF) on the measuring screen where you key in the starting and ending frequency for measurement, you will hit 115db at 0MV assuming your subs were properly calibrated. Make sure to lower your MV to start out as it will be louder sweep.
If you crossover your speakers at 80 or 100hz, your speakers will take over from there on your FR, right? Your subs is not responsible for FR above your crossover point.

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Thank you.. It is 12x20x8 = 1920 cuft.. This is for all 3 starting at -20 (75db) to 0 (95db). I stopped at 95db because it was starting to sound too loud..
That was before the distance tweak. The yellow curve is after the distance tweak but it is only measured at 75db..


I have issues between 100-200hz .. may be I need the F8s
Great response...love seeing the FV's in room response flat to below 10hz. Pretty amazing for a ported sub with its relatively small size. Rythmik design FTW!
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The F8 has two DS800-3 drivers made by Rythmik Audio. There is a 8" servo driver made by GR Research, the GR SW8-16FR but this driver is for OB setup. Brian is working updating the website to publish the specifications for the F8.
I don't see any updates to your web page for teh F8. I mentioned over in Audioholics in two threads under subwoofers that you have a new subwoofer product out. People are interested in them. When will see the updates?
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I don't see any updates to your web page for teh F8. I mentioned over in Audioholics in two threads under subwoofers that you have a new subwoofer product out. People are interested in them. When will see the updates?
Website is not updated yet, but check on the link below for more info and specifications.

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/DS800ci_info.html
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Are there any specs on the dual 8" unit? Is the 8" driver from GR Research? I've got the F12G and really like it. Would like to know the difference between the two units.

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The F8 has two DS800-3 drivers made by Rythmik Audio. There is a 8" servo driver made by GR Research, the GR SW8-16FR but this driver is for OB setup. Brian is working updating the website to publish the specifications for the F8.
I would also like to know the differences of the F8 and F12G. They seem to be the top Music subs out right now. With a dual subs with a crossover of 100hz, what are the pros and cons.
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I would also like to know the differences of the F8 and F12G. They seem to be the top Music subs out right now. With a dual subs with a crossover of 100hz, what are the pros and cons.
If HT is the primary use then the F12/F12G is the best option, mostly because the ability to play content below 20Hz. For pure audiophile music and no need for subsonic frequencies then the F8 is the way to go. The F12 is only +1dB louder than the F8.

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XLR Pin Arrangement on H600XLR2

What is the pin arrangement on the H600XLR2 amp? I will be hooking up to a Marantz 7702, so I wanted to know if I will need to swap pins on one end (see pic below for layout on the Marantz).

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If HT is the primary use then the F12/F12G is the best option, mostly because the ability to play content below 20Hz. For pure audiophile music and no need for subsonic frequencies then the F8 is the way to go. The F12 is only +1dB louder than the F8.
enrico,

Thanks for this info.

Looks like I'll be getting a 2nd F12G then.

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If HT is the primary use then the F12/F12G is the best option, mostly because the ability to play content below 20Hz. For pure audiophile music and no need for subsonic frequencies then the F8 is the way to go. The F12 is only +1dB louder than the F8.
This is one of the very few times I disagree with Enrico (note the date). My first real sub was a servo design of my own (ironically similar to the Rythmik patent, if I'd only known -- but Brian has taken the concept much further!) It was flat to about 16 Hz, and about 6 dB down at 8 Hz. There was no HT then. I needed it to supplement the low end of my little Magnepans and figured it would help with orchestral and organ music, not a huge part of my album collection but significant. What I did not expect was how the extreme low end helped with piano, small jazz groups, and rock. The percussive transients from piano, plucked strings, and drums (natch) were clearly enhanced by the extended low end. I know because I had a steep variable HPF I used mainly to combat rumble from LP records (vinyl) and wow from tape (I had 1/4" to 1" or 2" back then). I kept moving it up and down (the range was about 8 Hz to 24 Hz) and every time I listened seriously I found myself appreciating the music (music! no HT, remember?) more with the lower settings.

So, IME, extended low end is very nice to have for music as well. - Don

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This is one of the very few times I disagree with Enrico (note the date). My first real sub was a servo design of my own (ironically similar to the Rythmik patent, if I'd only known -- but Brian has taken the concept much further!) It was flat to about 16 Hz, and about 6 dB down at 8 Hz. There was no HT then. I needed it to supplement the low end of my little Magnepans and figured it would help with orchestral and organ music, not a huge part of my album collection but significant. What I did not expect was how the extreme low end helped with piano, small jazz groups, and rock. The percussive transients from piano, plucked strings, and drums (natch) were clearly enhanced by the extended low end. I know because I had a steep variable HPF I used mainly to combat rumble from LP records (vinyl) and wow from tape (I had 1/4" to 1" or 2" back then). I kept moving it up and down (the range was about 8 Hz to 24 Hz) and every time I listened seriously I found myself appreciating the music (music! no HT, remember?) more with the lower settings.

So, IME, extended low end is very nice to have for music as well. - Don
Don, I agree with you. That's why I put the note "no need for subsonic frequencies". If you do a lot of organ music and orchestra then the F12/F12G is a need. BTW my recommendation was based on a previous conversation I had with Brian. He does recommend the F12 over the F8 if primary app is HT.

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NP. And I wasn't clear -- I designed it for organ and orchestra, but found the extended low end benefitted jazz and other music as well, a (happy) surprise.

Moving up to the present, you can have my F12's when you pry them from my cold...

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Another consideration with 8" drivers is listening volume. A pair of 8's may actually go almost as low as a 12, just not to the same SPL. Or, perhaps the dual 8's actually will play as loudly and cleanly as a single 12, with the benefit of having a little more resolution. The Infinity RS-1b's I once owned had dual woofer columns containing 8" Servo drivers, but each column had 6 drivers for increased output capability. The more models Brian offers, the harder it will be to choose between them. The good thing is that there is no wrong choice---they're all great!
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I don't see any updates to your web page for teh F8. I mentioned over in Audioholics in two threads under subwoofers that you have a new subwoofer product out. People are interested in them. When will see the updates?

Give me this weekend, I will add F8 page. I've already taken out F15 as its price is too close to F15HP.
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What is the pin arrangement on the H600XLR2 amp? I will be hooking up to a Marantz 7702, so I wanted to know if I will need to swap pins on one end (see pic below for layout on the Marantz).

I am sure someone knows the answers to this...please don't punish me for being stupid.
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^^^ Chip you might want to message Brian on here aka Rythmik with this question.

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Sounds good, I will do that and update this thread to share the knowledge once I've heard back Thanks.
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I am sure someone knows the answers to this...please don't punish me for being stupid.

You can check out the wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XLR_connector. It is a standard now. The paragraph below "Technical usage information" is an interesting read. It says there bad been problems before the standard was a adopted. The convention is the female socket is for input and male socket is for output. But I have see some 20 years, one manufacturer used female socket output. Ours implmention follows the standard (PIN 2 is always hot) which has been a while. So if you bought a US made cable, you should be fine. If you are outside US and already have the cable, just use a multimeter to make sure the pin 2 on the female side has 0 resistance to the pin 2 of the male side.
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Hey guys,

So I got my FV15HP's on Saturday. I crossed over the boarder and picked them up in Lewiston.

I was able to dial them in a bit and did a quick calibration (did not measure all seating areas). I have some pictures to post, but will do that when I'm not at work sometime this week.

On another note I love these monsters! That is what I'm calling them because they are monster in size and output lol. The bass is more detailed compared to my Velodyne's. This is my first time experiencing subsonic frequencies and so far I'm impressed. I was able to get to -10 on my receiver with these monsters and they kept going in comparison with the Velodyne's tapping out at about -20 regarding below 50hz frequencies.

I will definitely provide more feedback in the coming weeks. Still working on getting a flatter frequency across all listening position. I'm pretty flat in the main and the right seating. I may have to rearrange some furniture as I plan to implement the Velodyne's in the mix to provide the upper bass response as my room seems to suck those out.

The first movie that I tested was Need for Speed. If anyone has not seen that movie I recommend it. The bass is awesome a lot of low content. How low? I cannot say but walls were vibrating and I was not hearing any bass, so that tells me very low lol. And that movie had an actual decent story too.

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You can check out the wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XLR_connector. It is a standard now. The paragraph below "Technical usage information" is an interesting read. It says there bad been problems before the standard was a adopted. The convention is the female socket is for input and male socket is for output. But I have see some 20 years, one manufacturer used female socket output. Ours implmention follows the standard (PIN 2 is always hot) which has been a while. So if you bought a US made cable, you should be fine. If you are outside US and already have the cable, just use a multimeter to make sure the pin 2 on the female side has 0 resistance to the pin 2 of the male side.
Great info, thanks Brian!
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Hey guys,

So I got my FV15HP's on Saturday. I crossed over the boarder and picked them up in Lewiston.

I was able to dial them in a bit and did a quick calibration (did not measure all seating areas). I have some pictures to post, but will do that when I'm not at work sometime this week.

On another note I love these monsters! That is what I'm calling them because they are monster in size and output lol. The bass is more detailed compared to my Velodyne's. This is my first time experiencing subsonic frequencies and so far I'm impressed. I was able to get to -10 on my receiver with these monsters and they kept going in comparison with the Velodyne's tapping out at about -20 regarding below 50hz frequencies.

I will definitely provide more feedback in the coming weeks. Still working on getting a flatter frequency across all listening position. I'm pretty flat in the main and the right seating. I may have to rearrange some furniture as I plan to implement the Velodyne's in the mix to provide the upper bass response as my room seems to suck those out.

The first movie that I tested was Need for Speed. If anyone has not seen that movie I recommend it. The bass is awesome a lot of low content. How low? I cannot say but walls were vibrating and I was not hearing any bass, so that tells me very low lol. And that movie had an actual decent story too.

I'm a BASS addict!
Are you using the Velodynes with the FVs?
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I would also like to know the differences of the F8 and F12G. They seem to be the top Music subs out right now. With a dual subs with a crossover of 100hz, what are the pros and cons.
FYI: I'm basically 95% music vs 5% movie, switched from a F12G to a PV1D, and my next step is moving from bookshelf (LS50) to floorstanders (R700).
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