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It's easy to get a boomy (peaky) sound with corner loading if you don't correct with EQ. EQ can correct peaks quite effectively, though - just not nulls. For example, with subs in opposing corners, I had peaks but not nulls, and was able to achieve excellent results with EQ. If you are getting great results, though, no reason to change it. Near field placement can often give fantastic results, when that type of placement is available with your room layout.

Since you are so close to the back wall, I would recommend adding room treatments there to help with higher frequencies, if you haven't already.
I don't run eq or processing at all other than the PEQ on the sub but am watching the miniDSP 88a thread with interest. I have moderate room treatment with sound panels on the front and side walls and half height bass traps in the front corners because my mains are wider apart and closer to the side walls than ideal. I don't have rear wall treatment yet as my other panels kill reflection but that's a good point, I might try moving a couple back there to see how much difference it makes. The biggest and absolutely crucial improvement I got was capturing reflections off the full height side wall, my brother was sitting in the LP when I walked in with the panel and was astonished with the difference it made. I'm thinking of dispersion off the rear wall rather than trapping but I'm trying to avoid further $$$. I set up the sub best for the LP and let the other seating take a bit of a hit because I'm honestly the only one who notices. Some day if the CDN $ recovers back near parity I'll likely get a second FV15HP. I wish I would have gone for the F15HP and gotten two, the FV seems to have more than enough power for my room so the lower purchase and shipping costs could have been put toward two subs. But until then I'm not hurting, the bass sounds great especially at the MLP.


Back OT the corner loading with a single sub gave a couple of very big peaks, around 40Hz IIRC and another higher frequency that I can't remember. The mid wall placement is far smoother with a small 20Hz or so peak that I enjoy and a small 40-50Hz dip that I PEQ out some. I keep it on the rear wall to keep mid bass slam up a bit and it's pretty good. I'm on a concrete slab with thin carpet so I don't get floor vibration but the couch shakes like the dickens and the room pressurizes easily.

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for the moment i'll just turn the volume up. the Yamaha has a r/l or and mono configuration I can play with. When the wife processes her pile of baby junk in the back of the room, i'll try opposite corners and see how ypo eqs the system. I had them mid long wall, but we were in a null and I think I was too close to the right sub pointing at me so I felt an uncomfortable pressure and sometime would hear bass out of sync with the Fonts. I can't really do center on the rear wall since the subs are just to big.

would the rew simulator handle a 7X6 open door way?
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As soon as I get some time to pop some movies in (between work and poor sleeping 1-year old....) I'll post my thoughts! I'll try to put up some basic SMS measurements of the two if I can still find the pics I took of my SubM's response.
Any report on this yet? I did listen to 3 submersiveHPs in a well treated room and like to hear your thought comparing one SubmersiveHP to one FV especially if you can do in the same room.
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Any report on this yet? I did listen to 3 submersiveHPs in a well treated room and like to hear your thought comparing one SubmersiveHP to one FV especially if you can do in the same room.
A more relevant comparison would be two FV15HP's (or better yet, two F15HP's) versus one Submersive HP.
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^^ why 2 FVs v.s one SubmersiveHP? Cost?
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^^ why 2 FVs v.s one SubmersiveHP? Cost?

That's how I look at it.
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Cost aside, I like to see a one to one comparison or better yet, dual to dual. That should be interesting if one can do in the same room. Hurry up @madhuski
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Cost aside, I like to see a one to one comparison or better yet, dual to dual. That should be interesting if one can do in the same room. Hurry up @madhuski

So. here goes.

First off, I think I fall into the average listener category. I don't have a dedicated HT (My WAF friendly 7.1 living room ), and I don't listen at ear splitting levels. When I sit down with the squaw to watch a flick, we listen usually at -25 to -35 on the receiver.

First, how did I end up here -

1) I had a HSU VTF-15. It served my needs just fine. I didn't have any measuring equipement, but subjectively it did what I wanted

2) to see if I could shrink the giant black box, I replaced it with a SVS SB13. Again subjectively, I could tell right away there was something lacking. It would cause the pictures to rattle as the HSU did, but there was a missing viseceral impact on the big bass scenes.

3) Back to the big black box. I got caught up in the frenzy of the moment, and ended up buying a SubMersive HP. Nothing bad I can say about this sub. It was (all things consdiered) "small" and "light", and it brought back that visceral sensation and then some. Taking Mark's advice that if you're getting a sub of this caliber, you should have something to EQ it. So, I bought a Velodyne SMS. (So there are some basix measurements of the SubM in my room: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...l#post26244249)

Subjectively again, the Seaton seemed to have better bass than the HSU. On the scenes where there weren't over the top LFE effects, the seaton seemed to sound, for lack of a beter term less bloated than the HSU. Not that the HSU sounded bloated at all, mind you, but it did seem to call attention to itself more than the seaton. The Seaton just seemed to reinforce the bass as it should.

I was perfectly happy with the Seaton, but then I found myself sitting there with ~$2700K invested in a Subwoofer and Velodyne SMS, whereas I was perfectly happy rpeviously with my HSU VTF and thought "hmm, I may be getting a tad ridiculous here. Especially given my listeing habits again

So I sold the Seaton; packaged up the Velodyne, and went looking for a sub to downsize to. I had settelled on the PSA XS30, since it seemed to be a Seaton light (shoutout to Tom V for being great in terms of putting up with all my questions), but then I had the chance to get a Piano Black Fv15hp - so I jumped at it. I wanted to hear a servo sub, and I liked the paino black finish.

After dealing with a ground loop for a few days (ended up being the cable coax), I've had it going for a week now. Its only seen two flicks (John Wick and Edge of Tommarrow), but I gotta say - I love it.

I'm not going to do a detailed review, because all I'm going to say is that to my ears its indistinguishable to the SubM. At the listening levels I do, I can't notice one differrence between the two. And this is without the SMS in the chin and any EQ it provides - just XT32. (I'll upack the SMS when I get somef ree time and post a pic of the Rythmik's response in my room.) but given the cost difference of $2400 Submersive + $300 SMS versus $1500 for a rythmik......for my situation it was a no brainer.
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^^ Thanks for taking the time. Glad it works out for you.
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So. here goes.

First off, I think I fall into the average listener category. I don't have a dedicated HT (My WAF friendly 7.1 living room ), and I don't listen at ear splitting levels. When I sit down with the squaw to watch a flick, we listen usually at -25 to -35 on the receiver.

First, how did I end up here -

1) I had a HSU VTF-15. It served my needs just fine. I didn't have any measuring equipement, but subjectively it did what I wanted

2) to see if I could shrink the giant black box, I replaced it with a SVS SB13. Again subjectively, I could tell right away there was something lacking. It would cause the pictures to rattle as the HSU did, but there was a missing viseceral impact on the big bass scenes.

3) Back to the big black box. I got caught up in the frenzy of the moment, and ended up buying a SubMersive HP. Nothing bad I can say about this sub. It was (all things consdiered) "small" and "light", and it brought back that visceral sensation and then some. Taking Mark's advice that if you're getting a sub of this caliber, you should have something to EQ it. So, I bought a Velodyne SMS. (So there are some basix measurements of the SubM in my room: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...l#post26244249)

Subjectively again, the Seaton seemed to have better bass than the HSU. On the scenes where there weren't over the top LFE effects, the seaton seemed to sound, for lack of a beter term less bloated than the HSU. Not that the HSU sounded bloated at all, mind you, but it did seem to call attention to itself more than the seaton. The Seaton just seemed to reinforce the bass as it should.

I was perfectly happy with the Seaton, but then I found myself sitting there with ~$2700K invested in a Subwoofer and Velodyne SMS, whereas I was perfectly happy rpeviously with my HSU VTF and thought "hmm, I may be getting a tad ridiculous here. Especially given my listeing habits again

So I sold the Seaton; packaged up the Velodyne, and went looking for a sub to downsize to. I had settelled on the PSA XS30, since it seemed to be a Seaton light (shoutout to Tom V for being great in terms of putting up with all my questions), but then I had the chance to get a Piano Black Fv15hp - so I jumped at it. I wanted to hear a servo sub, and I liked the paino black finish.

After dealing with a ground loop for a few days (ended up being the cable coax), I've had it going for a week now. Its only seen two flicks (John Wick and Edge of Tommarrow), but I gotta say - I love it.

I'm not going to do a detailed review, because all I'm going to say is that to my ears its indistinguishable to the SubM. At the listening levels I do, I can't notice one differrence between the two. And this is without the SMS in the chin and any EQ it provides - just XT32. (I'll upack the SMS when I get somef ree time and post a pic of the Rythmik's response in my room.) but given the cost difference of $2400 Submersive + $300 SMS versus $1500 for a rythmik......for my situation it was a no brainer.
I'm sure some/many/most Submersive owners feel differently than madhuski, but his conclusion brings to mind the idea that the "super" subs (Seaton, Funk, DIY with 18" drivers and 2,000 to 4,000 watt pro amps) are valued by their owners and those lusting for them in no small part because of their extremely high output capability at extremely low frequencies (below 15Hz). If you don't need it, that advantage (if they in fact truly do have it) may be moot. Having not heard any of them, my attitude is that I myself do not need that capability from a sub, and I wonder if they give up anything in finesse (which Rythmiks have in spades) to get it. The guys who extoll the virtues of super subs in their write-ups of sub shootouts list very different source material from that which I listen to (my Rythmiks are in a music-only system), and talk in terms very different from that which I listen for. The most telling (and unintentionally humorous) thing I read in one of the sub shootout reports was the writer mentioning he and other participants put in earplugs at a certain point in the day, because of the extremely high SPL. Judging sound quality with earplugs in?!).
It's no different than with speakers; I may place a high priority on transparency and lack of coloration in a loudspeaker, and therefore favor Electrostatic, Magnetic Planar, or Ribbon speakers. Another listener may value maximum SPL and/or dynamics above all else, and will therefore be better served by a high-sensitivity Dynamic (cone-driver) or Horn loudspeaker.

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^^^ BDP I'm glad you brought up other high end subwoofers digging deep with lots of output. That's what the FV15HP can do for about half the cost (maybe not quite as clean or effortless). It wouldn't surprise me if most FV owners were getting reasonable output down to 10hz. I'm sorry but that is nothing short of amazing coming from a ported subwoofer of it's size. It speaks volumes to the engineering from Brian that went into the FV15HP.

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That's how I look at it.
comparing 2 subs to 1 gives the dual setup the advantage due to the ability to smooth room modes. So I do not see how you could make a accurate comparison unless you stack the duals.
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So. here goes.

First off, I think I fall into the average listener category. I don't have a dedicated HT (My WAF friendly 7.1 living room ), and I don't listen at ear splitting levels. When I sit down with the squaw to watch a flick, we listen usually at -25 to -35 on the receiver.

First, how did I end up here -

1) I had a HSU VTF-15. It served my needs just fine. I didn't have any measuring equipement, but subjectively it did what I wanted

2) to see if I could shrink the giant black box, I replaced it with a SVS SB13. Again subjectively, I could tell right away there was something lacking. It would cause the pictures to rattle as the HSU did, but there was a missing viseceral impact on the big bass scenes.

3) Back to the big black box. I got caught up in the frenzy of the moment, and ended up buying a SubMersive HP. Nothing bad I can say about this sub. It was (all things consdiered) "small" and "light", and it brought back that visceral sensation and then some. Taking Mark's advice that if you're getting a sub of this caliber, you should have something to EQ it. So, I bought a Velodyne SMS. (So there are some basix measurements of the SubM in my room: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...l#post26244249)

Subjectively again, the Seaton seemed to have better bass than the HSU. On the scenes where there weren't over the top LFE effects, the seaton seemed to sound, for lack of a beter term less bloated than the HSU. Not that the HSU sounded bloated at all, mind you, but it did seem to call attention to itself more than the seaton. The Seaton just seemed to reinforce the bass as it should.

I was perfectly happy with the Seaton, but then I found myself sitting there with ~$2700K invested in a Subwoofer and Velodyne SMS, whereas I was perfectly happy rpeviously with my HSU VTF and thought "hmm, I may be getting a tad ridiculous here. Especially given my listeing habits again

So I sold the Seaton; packaged up the Velodyne, and went looking for a sub to downsize to. I had settelled on the PSA XS30, since it seemed to be a Seaton light (shoutout to Tom V for being great in terms of putting up with all my questions), but then I had the chance to get a Piano Black Fv15hp - so I jumped at it. I wanted to hear a servo sub, and I liked the paino black finish.

After dealing with a ground loop for a few days (ended up being the cable coax), I've had it going for a week now. Its only seen two flicks (John Wick and Edge of Tommarrow), but I gotta say - I love it.

I'm not going to do a detailed review, because all I'm going to say is that to my ears its indistinguishable to the SubM. At the listening levels I do, I can't notice one differrence between the two. And this is without the SMS in the chin and any EQ it provides - just XT32. (I'll upack the SMS when I get somef ree time and post a pic of the Rythmik's response in my room.) but given the cost difference of $2400 Submersive + $300 SMS versus $1500 for a rythmik......for my situation it was a no brainer.
Good deal! Pretty impressive to hear how well the FV15HP keeps up with the SubM. Sounds like you did not lose anything but gained money back in your pocket....win win!!
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comparing 2 subs to 1 gives the dual setup the advantage due to the ability to smooth room modes. So I do not see how you could make a accurate comparison unless you stack the duals.

You're missing an important point, bh81. Being able to place a pair of subs in two different locations is one of the things the same amount of money buys you (two Rythmiks vs. one Seaton), it's a reason for going that way. Yes it's an advantage---that's the point! The comparison should not be about one Rythmik vs. one Seaton, it should be about $3000 worth of Rythmik vs. $3000 worth of Seaton. Anyway, like I said, that's how I look at it. But yes, two stacked Rythmiks vs. one Seaton is another interesting comparison. So would four Rythmiks (in four room locations) vs. two Seatons!
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You're missing an important point, bh81. Being able to place a pair of subs in two different locations is one of the things the same amount of money buys you (two Rythmiks vs. one Seaton), it's a reason for going that way. Yes it's an advantage---that's the point! The comparison should not be about one Rythmik vs. one Seaton, it should be about $3000 worth of Rythmik vs. $3000 worth of Seaton. Anyway, like I said, that's how I look at it. But yes, two stacked Rythmiks vs. one Seaton is another interesting comparison. So would four Rythmiks (in four room locations) vs. two Seatons!
This may be a bold claim BD, but I think two FV15HP's would crush a single Submersive. Not a fair comparison in my book. I'm more interested in head to head especially considering the fact that the Submersive costs quite a bit more.

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This may be a bold claim BD, but I think two FV15HP's would crush a single Submersive. Not a fair comparison in my book. I'm more interested in head to head especially considering the fact that the Submersive costs quite a bit more.
Funny, isn't it? One person sees two Rythmiks vs. one Seaton as an unfair comparison, another sees one on one as unfair. If one wants to determine what he will be giving up by getting a Rythmik rather than a Seaton (and visa versa), then yes, one on one will tell you that. If one wants to know what $2500-$3000 worth of Rythmik will buy you vs. the same $ in a Seaton, then two Rythmiks vs. one Seaton will tell you that. Both are valid comparisons. I think it's important to keep in mind, however, that buying two Rythmiks allows one to locate them in different locations, a HUGE advantage over a single Seaton in one location. Why throw away that advantage? That's one of the benefits of buying two Rythmiks rather than a single Seaton, for approximately the same price, and a REAL good reason for doing so. I guess I'm looking at it from a very consumer-orientated viewpoint---what will spending $2500-$3000 for subs buy me?
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Good deal! Pretty impressive to hear how well the FV15HP keeps up with the SubM. Sounds like you did not lose anything but gained money back in your pocket....win win!!


Thanks!

It matches up very well, but I think the key is my listening habits. I'm betting if I listened at reference or close to it I'd notice a difference. I'll post the SMS measurements of the Rythmik in my room - looks basically like the Seaton's measurements (granted both are around 80db)

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I believe one of the driver on one my FV15HP has failed. It makes a scratching sound when I press down on the driver. There is also static coming from the sub when playing back sources.


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I believe one of the driver on one my FV15HP has failed. It makes a scratching sound when I press down on the driver. There is also static coming from the sub when playing back sources.


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Just pulled the trigger on my second Rythmik sub, this one is going to be a E15HP in piano black for the great room. I needed it as small as possible given the logistics and spousal requirements. It's going to replace an old Definitive 15". I'll post some pictures and details when it arrives!

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here are the SMS pics of the rythmik. no surprise that ~ 80db looks similar to the SubM. Plus a pic of the new dog, who should outweigh the rythmik by a good 100lbs in a year or two

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here are the SMS pics of the rythmik. no surprise that ~ 80db looks similar to the SubM. Plus a pic of the new dog, who should outweigh the rythmik by a good 100lbs in a year or two
Nice response! How's the output compare between the two? Thats a dog? I thought it was a horse.

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Any news on the upcoming L12 availability?
Q: Will the L12 use the same amp & driver as the LV12R?
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Any news on the upcoming L12 availability?
Q: Will the L12 use the same amp & driver as the LV12R?
I don't know if the driver will be the exact same, but it will be paper. The amp will be 300w, unless he changes the design from when he last posted.
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I just want to give an accommodation to Brian and Rythmiik as whole for their excellent assistance. I had a issue with my driver as Mentioned in post 17756. I had emailed Rythmik at 8:57 pm and I got a reply back from Brian at 2:52 a.m in the morning. I didn't see the email until this morning, but I was impressed on a Friday night too.

We then began exchanging emails and we were able to come to a resolution. Brian will be sending my a new driver. Once I receive the new driver I will then ship the malfunctioning driver back to him..

He was very helpful and just wanted to thank him for his time and hasty replies.
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Ordered mine today but I got an email that they are out of stock and won't be back in until the end of the month.

Well atleast its better than waiting until Mid March for my Ascend Sierra Towers and Horizon center with Raals to come in. Good things come to those who wait.
I have the same as you without the RAALS. I'm telling you they are absolutely worth the wait. You will have a smile so big that you just may have to have it surgically removed.

I paired mine with the 170 SE for surrounds in a 7.1 and the FV15HP for the LFE duties. It is a very hard hitting combo.

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I just want to give an accommodation to Brian and Rythmiik as whole for their excellent assistance. I had a issue with my driver as Mentioned in post 17756. I had emailed Rythmik at 8:57 pm and I got a reply back from Brian at 2:52 a.m in the morning. I didn't see the email until this morning, but I was impressed on a Friday night too.

We then began exchanging emails and we were able to come to a resolution. Brian will be sending my a new driver. Once I receive the new driver I will then ship the malfunctioning driver back to him..

He was very helpful and just wanted to thank him for his time and hasty replies.
I too have experienced Rythmik's customer service first hand. They are excellent to deal with, provide support and stand behind their products 100%. Would not hesitate to go with them again at all. Somewhere (buried) in this thread is my CS experience with Rythmik. Top notch!

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here are the SMS pics of the rythmik. no surprise that ~ 80db looks similar to the SubM. Plus a pic of the new dog, who should outweigh the rythmik by a good 100lbs in a year or two

edit: 1st pic is with the PEQ disabled. 2nd pic is with PEQ on with a boost @ 50 Hz
Nice use of the Rythmik's PEQ.

Looks like some Salk Songtowers hiding behind your Clydesdale. Did you go with the RAAL or OW tweeters?

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I too have experienced Rythmik's customer service first hand. They are excellent to deal with, provide support and stand behind their products 100%. Would not hesitate to go with them again at all. Somewhere (buried) in this thread is my CS experience with Rythmik. Top notch!

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I mentioned that to him as well. If I do get another sub in a year or two it will definitely be a Rythmik. I suggested an interest for 18" to Brian with my fingers crossed lol.

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