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Thank you guys. So should i just leave it into LOW? For movie playback?
I preferred low when I had the LV12R, but as others have said to each his own.

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We also plan to have L12 available around year end or Jan. Its footprint is 14" cube. They will be priced at $549 shipped. There will also be L22 with two 12" and same footprint as L12, but taller.
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We are almost there for L12. We expect them to be available mid March. I know many of you are disappointed. I will introduce L12 (roughly a 14" cube) and L22 (14"x14"x27"H with dual 12" driver) at the same time. The model between LV12R and F12 in the future is the LVX12 ported sub. This one will probably take a bit longer (up to end of April). FVX15, replacing older FV15 regular power, should be ready by end of Feb. The price will be $1049 including shipping. Introduction price will be $999. The model features a new DS1502 driver and a 400WMRS amp. It has the same enclosure size and design as our FV15HP sub.
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L12 will use the same amp. The driver is an variation of the one used in LV12R in order to accomodate larger excursion in sealed subs.
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L12 is intended as entry level model. It is not to replace F series models. So I will say you can still hear a slight difference in side-by-side comparison. But it still preserves the aritculate sound quality that ours subs are known for. The output between 30hz to 80hz is slightly less than F12 because of smaller enclosure size (14" cube). The difference of output between 50hz to 100hz is however less. The whole idea is to make it compact and therefore also save shipping cost.
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I just received a reply from Enrico stating that the L12 sub is delayed another month due to the well known port caused shipping delays. There is one container that is scheduled to arrive later this month (also a month behind schedule), but it will not have any L12 subs on it.

I wanted to get all the L12 info I could in one spot. Everything mentioned so far looks like it'd be the Goldilocks solution for me. Where does the line start for ordering?

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I second that. Waiting to buy 2xL12.
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The L 22 is the perfect sub woofer to fill my needs. I'm waiting to buy 2 soon as possible.
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I am having buyer's remorse .... I bought the Rythmik F12 (and it's awesome) ... but now I think that for extra $150 or so I could have gone for F15 instead.

So, question for those that experienced both ... huge upgrade???

My room is around 20 feet by 10 feet and then it opens up to a larger living room space at half of that 20 feet wall.
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^Pianist718,

I'd look into a second F12 to smooth out the bass in your long L-shaped sofa and have a wider sweet spot for bass response.

Your center speaker is probably experiencing 1st reflections on the front surface of the entertainment center. Might want to consider 'lifting' the center and placing some sound absorption material beneath, as well as aiming the center speaker towards your Main Listening Position (MLP).

Since the MLP is against the back wall (room boundary), you're going to get peaks in the bass response. Also reflections from the back wall to the MLP will cause some imagining issues. Consider putting some broadband absorption panels along the back wall or bass absorption boxes.

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I am having buyer's remorse .... I bought the Rythmik F12 (and it's awesome) ... but now I think that for extra $150 or so I could have gone for F15 instead.

So, question for those that experienced both ... huge upgrade???

My room is around 20 feet by 10 feet and then it opens up to a larger living room space at half of that 20 feet wall.
your upgrade desire is a want not a need

if you want it and have the cash, get it

don't expect any audible improvement of significance

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^Pianist718,

I'd look into a second F12 to smooth out the bass in your long L-shaped sofa and have a wider sweet spot for bass response.

Your center speaker is probably experiencing 1st reflections on the front surface of the entertainment center. Might want to consider 'lifting' the center and placing some sound absorption material beneath, as well as aiming the center speaker towards your Main Listening Position (MLP).

Since the MLP is against the back wall (room boundary), you're going to get peaks in the bass response. Also reflections from the back wall to the MLP will cause some imagining issues. Consider putting some broadband absorption panels along the back wall or bass absorption boxes.
thanks for suggestions.

I was thinking about a 2nd sub as it plays great where I usually sit but once I move 2 feet over, bass is a bit different, somewhat less forceful. However, that's where the wife usually sits and she is happy to get a bit less of it, so .... deliberating if the 2nd one is needed if where I sit it's all good.

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I am having buyer's remorse .... I bought the Rythmik F12 (and it's awesome) ... but now I think that for extra $150 or so I could have gone for F15 instead.

So, question for those that experienced both ... huge upgrade???

My room is around 20 feet by 10 feet and then it opens up to a larger living room space at half of that 20 feet wall.
The F15HP can play 4db louder before running out of gas.

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/products1.html

Another option would be to move the sub near field. That will make it louder.

As has been suggested, two subs on the opposite side of the room can help flatten the response, if properly set up.
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I am having buyer's remorse .... I bought the Rythmik F12 (and it's awesome) ... but now I think that for extra $150 or so I could have gone for F15 instead.

So, question for those that experienced both ... huge upgrade???

My room is around 20 feet by 10 feet and then it opens up to a larger living room space at half of that 20 feet wall.
Get a 2nd F12 and put it next to the couch where the chair is!!

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Get a 2nd F12 and put it next to the couch where the chair is!!
that's exactly where I wanted to place it, IF I were to get a 2nd sub BUT.... as I said...

"I was thinking about a 2nd sub as it plays great where I usually sit but once I move 2 feet over, bass is a bit different, somewhat less forceful. However, that's where the wife usually sits and she is happy to get a bit less of it, so .... deliberating if the 2nd one is needed if where I sit it's all good."


considering this ... what's the benefit of a 2nd sub? in my situation

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your upgrade desire is a want not a need

if you want it and have the cash, get it

don't expect any audible improvement of significance
I agree with that so much...there is no way I would have ever ever needed the FV15HP-SE, but I got it and never use it because I could at the time.

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I wanted to get all the L12 info I could in one spot. Everything mentioned so far looks like it'd be the Goldilocks solution for me. Where does the line start for ordering?
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I second that. Waiting to buy 2xL12.
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The L 22 is the perfect sub woofer to fill my needs. I'm waiting to buy 2 soon as possible.

The supplier goofed up the package box for L12. So that one will take a bit longer. L22 will start shipping this week. Regular price is $979 with shipping to 48 cont. states. We have a small qty we can ship in a day or two. We will not have time to set up the detail page as I have a depending long trip. But please contact Enrico or our web contact page for an order link.

L12 is an entry level sealed subwoofer. Customers should not purchase them just from pure price point of view. Compared L12 with LV12R, the former is less forgiving for overload. So if possible, go with LV12R. L12 should be for those not needing high SPL. With that said, I can play "I love bass" with L12 (with low-HT mode, ie, rumble filter turn on). I can play up to -14db and see the clipping indicator flashing occasionally (SPL read peak of 98db at listening position). The front speakers that it mates to are high efficiency Ascend CMT340 ported front speakers in a room 22"x22" with one end open. If one does not play that type of bass-demanding material, then low-music mode, ie, without rumble filtering, is good. It adds sense of space and depth to the sound stage.

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L12 is an entry level sealed subwoofer. Customers should not purchase them just from pure price point of view. Compared L12 with LV12R, the former is less forgiving for overload. So if possible, go with LV12R. L12 should be for those not needing high SPL. With that said, I can play "I love bass" with L12 (with low-HT mode, ie, rumble filter turn on). I can play up to -14db and see the clipping indicator flashing occasionally (SPL read peak of 98db at listening position). The front speakers that it mates to are high efficiency Ascend CMT340 ported front speakers in a room 22"x22" with one end open. If one does not play that type of bass-demanding material, then low-music mode, ie, without rumble filtering, is good. It adds sense of space and depth to the sound stage.
Yes, my situation is a treated 10x12 room with small Magneplanar speakers. A compact sub that trades off high SPL for (hopefully) quality and extension at lower levels is the right compromise for me. Going to go with 2 if there isn't any deal breaking information.

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considering this ... what's the benefit of a 2nd sub? in my situation
With a second sub the bass throughout the room will be smoother and you'll have more headroom so the bass dynamics will be better.

With the smoothness you'll find that you can play the subs louder without it being irritating. It's a paradox but smoother bass sounds quieter but when it needs to be there, it's there.

With better dynamics an onscreen explosion goes from nothing to BOOM in a much more explosive way. Other percussive effects will be sharper and more impressive.

Personally, I'ld never go back to one sub if I can avoid it.
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Because I never run my system above 90db, and have a small room where the subs won't be that far from me, a pair of L12s sounds perfect. Do they still have all the same controls on the amp or is that a cost saving area?
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The supplier goofed up the package box for L12. So that one will take a bit longer. L22 will start shipping this week. Regular price is $979 with shipping to 48 cont. states. We have a small qty we can ship in a day or two. We will not have time to set up the detail page as I have a depending long trip. But please contact Enrico or our web contact page for an order link.

L12 is an entry level sealed subwoofer. Customers should not purchase them just from pure price point of view. Compared L12 with LV12R, the former is less forgiving for overload. So if possible, go with LV12R. L12 should be for those not needing high SPL. With that said, I can play "I love bass" with L12 (with low-HT mode, ie, rumble filter turn on). I can play up to -14db and see the clipping indicator flashing occasionally (SPL read peak of 98db at listening position). The front speakers that it mates to are high efficiency Ascend CMT340 ported front speakers in a room 22"x22" with one end open. If one does not play that type of bass-demanding material, then low-music mode, ie, without rumble filtering, is good. It adds sense of space and depth to the sound stage.
How long will the sale on the FV15HP run?

Plan on buying in the next 2 weeks or so.

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How long will the sale on the FV15HP run?

Plan on buying in the next 2 weeks or so.

It will be at least till mid May.
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Because I never run my system above 90db, and have a small room where the subs won't be that far from me, a pair of L12s sounds perfect. Do they still have all the same controls on the amp or is that a cost saving area?
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Yes, my situation is a treated 10x12 room with small Magneplanar speakers. A compact sub that trades off high SPL for (hopefully) quality and extension at lower levels is the right compromise for me. Going to go with 2 if there isn't any deal breaking information.

The supplier did sent me two L12: one black oak and one black matte so I can take photos. That will be done before this weekend and then I will release both of them. I think in both your situation, you can start with one.


The regular price of L12 will be $559 including shipping.
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Just ordered a pair of Klipsch RF-82 II's to try out. I want to hear what a horn-loaded tweeter sounds like and I figured why not while they are on sale. If I don't like them I can return them. These will be strictly for movies.

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JT78681,

The 82IIs are nice medium sized tower but the horn is a bit smaller and at least with my original 82s they sound a bit more forward than my 83s. The bigger the horn the more refine and smoother the sound but my 82s now serving in surround duty sound better with some EQing.

My current setup works great together and I love my DIY sealed down-firing 15" but the upgrade bug desires MOAR!
Perhaps a DIY F25 is in my future or another personal creation.

RF-7IIs with your FV15HP would be a very fun experience and rocking experience. Do it, join us. One of Us.

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JT78681,

The 82IIs are nice medium sized tower but the horn is a bit smaller and at least with my original 82s they sound a bit more forward than my 83s. The bigger the horn the more refine and smoother the sound but my 82s now serving in surround duty sound better with some EQing.

My current setup works great together and I love my DIY sealed down-firing 15" but the upgrade bug desires MOAR!
Perhaps a DIY F25 is in my future or another personal creation.

RF-7IIs with your FV15HP would be a very fun experience and rocking experience. Do it, join us. One of Us.

Best regards,
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I've read that some people find the Klipsch horns to be fatiguing on the ears. I usually listen at -15 to -10 MV at most, so I'm hoping this will not be the case for me. I guess I'll find out soon enough. I'm hoping that I will be pleasantly surprised. Fingers crossed....

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Wake up people you are too quiet around these parts. I'm just going to chalk that up to everyone enjoying their Rythmik subs whether it be HT or music. Nothing wrong with that.

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Just ordered a pair of Klipsch RF-82 II's to try out. I want to hear what a horn-loaded tweeter sounds like and I figured why not while they are on sale. If I don't like them I can return them. These will be strictly for movies.
Hi. Im also considering the rf82ii. Where did u purchased them? Did u get a discounted price?
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Hi. Im also considering the rf82ii. Where did u purchased them? Did u get a discounted price?
There is a Klipsch Owners thread in the speaker section. Lots of info there.
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Just ordered a pair of Klipsch RF-82 II's to try out. I want to hear what a horn-loaded tweeter sounds like and I figured why not while they are on sale. If I don't like them I can return them. These will be strictly for movies.
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I bought a pair of the bookself RB61's for the same reason, what I took away from the reviews was it was a love or hate feeling towards their sound signature. I ran them for about 3 weeks in my home gym. The room is 15x17x9 and they were in a 2.1 setup. At the same time I had a pair of energy RC-10 speakers that I had bought on sale from Frys, I figured try out both sets and see how I like them and return one within 30 days.

Well I started with the Klipsch, I usually listen to music in that room and my works outs are 30mins to an hour. With the Klipsch I liked the way the music sounded, it was bright I like to listen to hip hop/house mixed in with a little bit of everything else, it sounded good with all genre. What I noticed right away was the fatigue, it became hard to listen to them for extended periods of time. I swapped the Klipsch out for the RC-10's, immediately I noticed the difference in sound signature, they sounded much more neutral.

My wife who had no idea that I swapped out the speakers, said whatever you did to the speaker system in the gym helped, the speakers were giving me a headache when you first set them up. She had no idea I switched out the Klipsch for the RC-10s.

I liked the Klipsch speakers, but I would not recommend them in a small room for extended music playback, they didnt sound bad to me or my wife, it was just the fatigue. Now Fatigue aside, the RC-10's sound signature is much more to my personal liking.

Let us know how you like the Klipsch.

BTW: Your video is pushing me to buy the FV15HP. I just took delivery of a PSA S1500 and will try it out for a few weeks, I have not dialed it in yet but I am leaning towards sending it back already and picking up the FV15HP.

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Just ordered a pair of Klipsch RF-82 II's to try out. I want to hear what a horn-loaded tweeter sounds like and I figured why not while they are on sale. If I don't like them I can return them. These will be strictly for movies.
Nothing to loose there. Listen to them for a week or two, then try to see if you can listen to rcohen JTR212's, then....I am afraid you will return them and start saving, just saying. If you don't think you can afford the 212, I would order a pair of PSA MT110's while having your Klipsch to compare. They are reasonable price and from what I have read, they are better, much better. If it doesn't work out, free return from PSA makes it easy.
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^^ deepat04

Thanks for sharing your experience with Klipsch. The FV15HP is a monster for its size and is tight and controlled. I've had mine for about a year now and they still put a smile on my face. I guess once you go servo you don't go back. At least for me anyways.

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I bought a pair of the bookself RB61's for the same reason, what I took away from the reviews was it was a love or hate feeling towards their sound signature.
It's best to buy these before you have not been exposed to more refined sound.

What you got back home, little sister, to play your fuzzy warbles on? I bet you got little save pitiful, portable picnic players. Come with uncle and hear all proper! Hear angel trumpets and devil trombones. You are invited.
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I got some feedback from the Klipsch thread and it gave me hope. Soon enough I'll know.

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