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Thanks. They have a few different amp options with the F12G offering different conectivity. Two of which use XLR and I was hoping one of them would work since it's common among studio subwoofers to send the subwoofer singal through L/R rather than having a dedicated subwoofer signal.

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Hi DooberKnob,

I believe your pre/pro is the Emotiva DAC XDA-2 Gen 2 unit? If so, there is no bass management within the device and an external box solution is recommended so that below the crossover frequency, you can send the bass to the Rythmik F12G subs.

MiniDSP offers an external bass management solution via the balanced 2x4 that will take the full range output signals from the XDA-2 and via an electronic crossover split the bass frequencies from the rest. You can then send these bass frequencies to the Rythmik subs and those frequencies above the crossover to the external amp driving your speakers.

You would need to roll up the sleeves and do some work to implement the external box solution from MiniDSP. Also get familiar with how bass works in your room and preferably measure it so that you get a nice smooth response. REW is your friend here.

Is XLR input on the Rythmik subs needed? I.e. you've got long cable run from your XDA-2 to the where the subs are located at? Or there is an issue with noise/hum in your main electrical circuit? Else the standard RCA input is what most people would use with the PEQ3 plate amp. Ask Brian or Enrico on the differences between XLR2/3 plate amp options to see which one is suitable for your room and application. There is a lot of flexibility offered on the Rythmik subs, so choose wisely.

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FV15HP user here. I have two quick questions:

1) how much clearance do the woofer and the ports need? My sub is currently located about 6 inches behind my entertainment center. Is this okay?

2) any ideas on how to raise the subwoofer about a foot? I plan to raise my entertainment center about a foot and would like to raise my sub as well.

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2) any ideas on how to raise the subwoofer about a foot? I plan to raise my entertainment center about a foot and would like to raise my sub as well.
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I'm looking to most accurately play the movie track back as possible. Would I want to set my sub to a q of 1.1, .5, or somewhere in between. I generally see 1.1 is what people use for movies. Is this to most accurately play back the lfe track?
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It's to give the biggest boost around 20-25Hz but with a steep rolloff below that. The setting that gives a low Q value will sound tighter and more articulate, but won't get as big of a boost at 20-25Hz. It will also not roll off as steeply below that. If you look at the graphs on the website you can see it. I see most people recommending the former for HT and the latter for music and that is what I intend to try. Some of Rythmik's subs have a middle setting also.
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I'm looking to most accurately play the movie track back as possible. Would I want to set my sub to a q of 1.1, .5, or somewhere in between. I generally see 1.1 is what people use for movies. Is this to most accurately play back the lfe track?
There isn't really a right answer.
You should go with what sounds best to you, and how much output you need for your room and listening levels.
14-hi damp is most accurate, but least efficient.
Less efficiency means that it will start distorting at lower volume levels.
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Can anyone give me some help with properly setting up the FV15HP?

I just realized yesterday after reading the setup sheet again that I've had it configured incorrectly all this time for HT use.

I'm going to switch to 1 port stuffed / rumble OFF and 14hz / low. Are these proper settings? Is there anything I can do to give it more impact in the mid-bass region?
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Can anyone give me some help with properly setting up the FV15HP?

I just realized yesterday after reading the setup sheet again that I've had it configured incorrectly all this time for HT use.

I'm going to switch to 1 port stuffed / rumble OFF and 14hz / low. Are these proper settings? Is there anything I can do to give it more impact in the mid-bass region?
These new settings are correct. After you run your calibration are you boosting the sub channel any? How big is your room? I have Audyssey and I have Dynamic EQ turned on and run my subs 6db hot.

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These new settings are correct. After you run your calibration depending on your receiver are you boosting the sub channel any? I have Audyssey and I have Dynamic EQ turned on and run my subs 6db hot.
I run XT32 and have been boosting the channel by 3db. I'm yet to try 6db, I keep Dynamic EQ off because of how much it boosts the surrounds when I'm listening at lower volumes. When watching movies with it off and with the subwoofer boosted it sounds pretty good... I'm curious how +6db will sound though.
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I run XT32 and have been boosting the channel by 3db. I'm yet to try 6db, I keep Dynamic EQ off because of how much it boosts the surrounds when I'm listening at lower volumes. When watching movies with it off and with the subwoofer boosted it sounds pretty good... I'm curious how +6db will sound though.
I typically listen at lower volumes, so Dynamic EQ is my friend. When it is turned off my subs almost seem lifeless. Boost it another 3db and report back. Don't be afraid to push your FV...

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I keep Dynamic EQ off because of how much it boosts the surrounds when I'm listening at lower volumes.
I reduce my surround levels by 2 or 3dbs and it takes care of that problem with dyneq on.
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I typically listen at lower volumes, so Dynamic EQ is my friend. When it is turned off my subs almost seem lifeless. Boost it another 3db and report back. Don't be afraid to push your FV...
Will give that a shot tonight and see how it goes, thanks for the help so far.

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I reduce my surround levels by 2 or 3dbs and it takes care of that problem with dyneq on.
I'll try this too, they are full-range surrounds and are about 4-5 feet from the listening positions but whenever I've tried having it on it's been unbearable, it was the worst watching shows on Discovery channel. All I would hear would be the surround speakers.

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^^^ Tvuong having Dynamic EQ on do you ever feel like your towers are overpowering your center channel at times? Specifically, the dialogue? I typically boost my center channel by 2.5-3 db after calibration, but I haven't tried dialing back my towers a bit.

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No, all my front three is at where Aud set them. I have no problem hearing the dialogue. I would raise the center instead of lowing the main.
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No, all my front three is at where Aud set them. I have no problem hearing the dialogue. I would raise the center instead of lowing the main.
What speakers do you run?

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I used to run Klipsch KLF10's and KLFC7, I now run three Behringer 212XL's. The C7 is a very good center.
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I run XT32 and have been boosting the channel by 3db. I'm yet to try 6db, I keep Dynamic EQ off because of how much it boosts the surrounds when I'm listening at lower volumes. When watching movies with it off and with the subwoofer boosted it sounds pretty good... I'm curious how +6db will sound though.
That's what the "Reference Level Offset" is for
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I used to run Klipsch KLF10's and KLFC7, I now run three Behringer 212XL's. The C7 is a very good center.
Are you powering them with an external amp? Also, any pictures?

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That's what the "Reference Level Offset" is for

I remember researching this when I was dealing with the issue and I came to the conclusion that the reference level offset wasn't intended to help with this issue but instead to match the "dynamic range" of the content being listened to. I even asked Chris at Audyssey about it and he said to always leave it at "0" when watching Blu-rays even when listening at a level lower than reference..

What has your experience been with RLO?
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Are you powering them with an external amp? Also, any pictures?
Nope, just from my X4000 AVR

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I remember researching this when I was dealing with the issue and I came to the conclusion that the reference level offset wasn't intended to help with this issue but instead to match the "dynamic range" of the content being listened to. I even asked Chris at Audyssey about it and he said to always leave it at "0" when watching Blu-rays even when listening at a level lower than reference..

What has your experience been with RLO?
That's interesting. I can't argue with the man himself, but when I try RLO I get the same thing as discussed in the Audyssey thread - less of a boost to the sub and surrounds.
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I remember researching this when I was dealing with the issue and I came to the conclusion that the reference level offset wasn't intended to help with this issue but instead to match the "dynamic range" of the content being listened to. I even asked Chris at Audyssey about it and he said to always leave it at "0" when watching Blu-rays even when listening at a level lower than reference..

What has your experience been with RLO?
RLO is meant for TV shows and music whose sound tracks have not been recorded to standards applicable to blu-ray. This is most notable for music tracks that vary in volume even though the MV has not changed.

Recall that Chris at Audyssey recommends RLO10 for music and RLO15 for TV shows. I have it currently set at RLO10 for both and is quite effective for both TV shows and music.

When watching blu-ray, I set the RLO back to 0.

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I leave it at 0 for music because without it, the bass is too weak. YMMV, of course, and I'll see if that's still true when I get new subs.
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^^^ Tvuong very nice I like it. I'm surprised you have the grills on your FV's.

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I am joining the Rythmik family. I am driving to Austin on Saturday to pick up my (2) F25s. I recently sold (2) PB13 Ultras, so I have been reading for hours on end. I spoke with JTR, RA, and PSA in emails and phone calls. I was close to going with Echo 18s or the soon to be released PSA 3600 (dual 18s). This weekend, I sat back and thought through what I liked and disliked about my PB13 subs. The PB13 were great for movies, but I felt they were slow/flabby for music. The bass just seemed lazy. It is hard to describe but they weren't quick and seemed to have a bit of overhang. I am sure my room could be improved but after hours of reading I found that I wasn't the only one with that perception. Great subs, don't get me wrong. For movies, these things performed - period. They served me well for four years, but it was time that we parted ways. They were sold a couple of weeks ago.

I then started rereading all the posts on the JTR, PSA, and RA subs. The sub meets, rankings, etc etc. What I found is that most of all the rankings were based on output levels and specifally output in the 16-25hz ranges. The primary focus of the sub meets was seeing what subs could crack the foundation of a house. Not to say music wasn't evaluated but these meets were there to see who had the BASS. I would akin them to the sub shootouts you see in car clubs. Insane SPL output with bass heavy movies/music for demo. Granted, I like tactile feel as much as the next guy, but outside of 10 or so movies I own i.e WOW, Oblivion, Interstellar, Tron, Kung Fu Panda, Edge of Tomorrow, etc most of my music and movie content is not in that range. I also was not out of headroom on my PB13 ultras so SPL measurements really didn't matter much. I don't listen at reference levels. On occasion I may let the system rip but I do value my hearing

Sorry to ramble, but long story short - I got wrapped up into benchmark racing. I was looking at DB output, driver size, amp power etc without defining specifically what I was looking for in a sub. As a drummer, I appreciate fast snappy bass. A kick drum should pop with direct focus and attack. I didnt have that with my Ultras. This led me to Rhythmic because they are always regarded as musical with very fast, articulate bass. Almost all the threads I read ranked Rythmik and Seaton as the clear music winners. I was also impressed they were chosen by Salk and Ascend as their recommended sub. I looked at Seaton, but I just don't know if my ears will hear that much of a difference for the $$$. The fact the Rythmik is in Austin (hour drive) and a Texas based company (its a tasty brisket, diesel truck, gun owner, Lone Star thing) helped my decision. I also am hating being subless. Waiting for build times (RA) and development times (PSA) added some weight to the decision too. So, here I am fellas. You got a country boy in your midst.
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^^^ Welcome to the family!

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I am joining the Rythmik family. I am driving to Austin on Saturday to pick up my (2) F25s. I recently sold (2) PB13 Ultras, so I have been reading for hours on end. I spoke with JTR, RA, and PSA in emails and phone calls. I was close to going with Echo 18s or the soon to be released PSA 3600 (dual 18s). This weekend, I sat back and thought through what I liked and disliked about my PB13 subs. The PB13 were great for movies, but I felt they were slow/flabby for music. The bass just seemed lazy. It is hard to describe but they weren't quick and seemed to have a bit of overhang. I am sure my room could be improved but after hours of reading I found that I wasn't the only one with that perception. Great subs, don't get me wrong. For movies, these things performed - period. They served me well for four years, but it was time that we parted ways. They were sold a couple of weeks ago.

I then started rereading all the posts on the JTR, PSA, and RA subs. The sub meets, rankings, etc etc. What I found is that most of all the rankings were based on output levels and specifally output in the 16-25hz ranges. The primary focus of the sub meets was seeing what subs could crack the foundation of a house. Not to say music wasn't evaluated but these meets were there to see who had the BASS. I would akin them to the sub shootouts you see in car clubs. Insane SPL output with bass heavy movies/music for demo. Granted, I like tactile feel as much as the next guy, but outside of 10 or so movies I own i.e WOW, Oblivion, Interstellar, Tron, Kung Fu Panda, Edge of Tomorrow, etc most of my music and movie content is not in that range. I also was not out of headroom on my PB13 ultras so SPL measurements really didn't matter much. I don't listen at reference levels. On occasion I may let the system rip but I do value my hearing

Sorry to ramble, but long story short - I got wrapped up into benchmark racing. I was looking at DB output, driver size, amp power etc without defining specifically what I was looking for in a sub. As a drummer, I appreciate fast snappy bass. A kick drum should pop with direct focus and attack. I didnt have that with my Ultras. This led me to Rhythmic because they are always regarded as musical with very fast, articulate bass. Almost all the threads I read ranked Rythmik and Seaton as the clear music winners. I was also impressed they were chosen by Salk and Ascend as their recommended sub. I looked at Seaton, but I just don't know if my ears will hear that much of a difference for the $$$. The fact the Rythmik is in Austin (hour drive) and a Texas based company (its a tasty brisket, diesel truck, gun owner, Lone Star thing) helped my decision. I also am hating being subless. Waiting for build times (RA) and development times (PSA) added some weight to the decision too. So, here I am fellas. You got a country boy in your midst.
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