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What do the supplied feet that come with the LV12R look like? Is this the main thread for the LV12R?

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What do the supplied feet that come with the LV12R look like? Is this the main thread for the LV12R?
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Do you happen to have any LV12R pics aside from those on the website ?

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Is this the main thread for the LV12R?
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Even if it has slightly less output, I think its advantage will come from the 12hz tuning. The captivator is tuned at 18hz if I am not mistaken.
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Why can't the DS1501/1510 be downward-firing?

Hey ya'll - perhaps you can answer this question that has been buggin' me - Why can't the DS1501/1510 be downward-firing?


I'm considering one of the DIY kits but don't quite get why they're only recommending front-firing use for this model.


Doesn't it make sense that one could just make fairly tall legs and be able to make it work?








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Unless it matches or exceeds the Cap's performance I can see people possibly pursuing another route if the price is too steep. Also, I hope they have plans to offer a sealed 18" sub.
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Even if it has slightly less output, I think its advantage will come from the 12hz tuning. The captivator is tuned at 18hz if I am not mistaken.
Agree. It will trade a db or two for significant output advantage at 12.5hz and potentially 10hz compared to the cap.

Imo, well worth the tradeoff...16hz and up is relatively easy to get..
Below that, you're looking at multiple sealed (that can be costly) or a low tuned fv18hp.

No matter how many cap 1400s you have, you'll never be able to increase extension significantly.
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a small fyi,

Brian got a mention in Kemper Holt's (klh007) write-up on CAF 2015 (scroll to bottom). If you didn't know, Rythmik's 8" servo subs power the bottom end of Salk's Exotica 3 towers.

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Even if it has slightly less output, I think its advantage will come from the 12hz tuning. The captivator is tuned at 18hz if I am not mistaken.
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Agree. It will trade a db or two for significant output advantage at 12.5hz and potentially 10hz compared to the cap.

Imo, well worth the tradeoff...16hz and up is relatively easy to get..
Below that, you're looking at multiple sealed (that can be costly) or a low tuned fv18hp.

No matter how many cap 1400s you have, you'll never be able to increase extension significantly.
I agree if it's within a db or two, but price will play a big factor depending on extension and output. I guess we will just have to wait and see.

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Unless it matches or exceeds the Cap's performance I can see people possibly pursuing another route if the price is too steep. Also, I hope they have plans to offer a sealed 18" sub.
I too would like to know if a sealed version is in the cards. Can anyone confirm?

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Regarding the LV12R, is $570 shipped the regular price and does it ever go on sale?

And if I need to reverse the phase when using this sub with my Yamaha HTR-3066 AVR, can I use the LFE input and set the AVR to reverse subwoofer phase instead?

Also, is this sub overkill for a 1152 cubic foot room (12 by 12 by 8 feet high)?

I'm currently running a Dayton Audio SUB-1200 with Sony Core Bookshelves as LCRs.

I'd like better extension, flatter frequency response, and more punch/definition to bass frequencies compared to my Dayton.

I'd be placing this sub midwall about 6 to 12 inches from the wall. And selling the Dayton since 2 subs wouldn't fit in my small room and the gulf in quality and extension would be too great.
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Regarding the LV12R, is $570 shipped the regular price and does it ever go on sale?
$569 shipped per the Rythmik website

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And if I need to reverse the phase when using this sub with my Yamaha HTR-3066 AVR, can I use the LFE input and set the AVR to reverse subwoofer phase instead?
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I'm currently running a Dayton Audio SUB-1200 with Sony Core Bookshelves as LCRs.
I'd like better extension, flatter frequency response, and more punch/definition to bass frequencies compared to my Dayton.
I'd be placing this sub midwall about 6 to 12 inches from the wall. And selling the Dayton since 2 subs wouldn't fit in my small room and the gulf in quality and extension would be too great.
Better sound, higher output, and greater extension are probable, but two subs would definitely be of benefit in that room since the dimensions induce doubled room modes. Two subs can help smooth the frequency response. You would be better off with two LV12R's, natch, but you might want to try integrating the Dayton to help with room modes.

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Regarding the LV12R, is $570 shipped the regular price and does it ever go on sale?
The LV12R regular price is $599 shipped and it's on sale for $569 shipped.



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The LV12r will significantly outperform the Dayton 1200 in every way.
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Do you happen to have any LV12R pics aside from those on the website ?
Here are some pics of mine.. The LV12-R is the bigger unit and replaces my PSB Subsonic5 which has been repurposed to my secondary system.
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You would be better off with two LV12R's, natch, but you might want to try integrating the Dayton to help with room modes.
I was right there with you until you mentioned using the LV12R and SUB-1200 together.

My guess is the PE will drag down the Rythmik in a manner that could be noticeable, so there might not be any advantage to integrating the two. Actually, the opposite could prove true.

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I agree, but was thinking the extra sub might help with a room mode. In hindsight, without a pretty good set of tools (including some sort of EQ/DSP unit) and knowledge base to use them, such integration would be virtually impossible and extremely difficult even with all that. It's hard enough to get matching (identical) subs to play together nicely...

I stand corrected.

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Hey ya'll - perhaps you can answer this question that has been buggin' me - Why can't the DS1501/1510 be downward-firing?


I'm considering one of the DIY kits but don't quite get why they're only recommending front-firing use for this model.


Doesn't it make sense that one could just make fairly tall legs and be able to make it work?









Thanks in advance for the advice!


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1- There used to be a down-firing model, the D15. It had the A370 amp and one DS1501 driver (the DS1510 driver is not recommended for down-firing use, for technical reasons). It is no longer listed with the other models, so apparently has been discontinued. Check with Brian or Enrico to see if there is one left in the warehouse.


2- On the Rythmik website there are still plans (in the DIY section) for building a down-firing enclosure, 3cu.ft. sealed and 4cu.ft vented. You buy the CI kit from Rythmik, and build (or have built by a cabinet maker local to you) the enclosure in which you install it.

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$569 shipped per the Rythmik website


Yes, the AVR should handle phase for you.


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Better sound, higher output, and greater extension are probable, but two subs would definitely be of benefit in that room since the dimensions induce doubled room modes. Two subs can help smooth the frequency response. You would be better off with two LV12R's, natch, but you might want to try integrating the Dayton to help with room modes.
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I was right there with you until you mentioned using the LV12R and SUB-1200 together.

My guess is the PE will drag down the Rythmik in a manner that could be noticeable, so there might not be any advantage to integrating the two. Actually, the opposite could prove true.
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I agree, but was thinking the extra sub might help with a room mode. In hindsight, without a pretty good set of tools (including some sort of EQ/DSP unit) and knowledge base to use them, such integration would be virtually impossible and extremely difficult even with all that. It's hard enough to get matching (identical) subs to play together nicely...

I stand corrected.
Good to know, thanks for all the replies.

I'm no audio expert, but I too figured the Dayton would drag the Rythmik down, plus the added complexity/cost of integrating them properly (not to mention I don't have space for a second sub in the opposite side of the room, equidistant).

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Where is the listening position in the room? If it's in the middle, you'll be in a null, so would want the sub placed there. With 12' x 12' you are going to have room modes doubled leading to very deep nulls (first around 47 Hz). There's a nice spreadsheet on the Harman site that plots the peaks and valleys, and REW has a room mode.

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Where is the listening position in the room? If it's in the middle, you'll be in a null, so would want the sub placed there. With 12' x 12' you are going to have room modes doubled leading to very deep nulls (first around 47 Hz). There's a nice spreadsheet on the Harman site that plots the peaks and valleys, and REW has a room mode.
Do subs sound best at 80Hz and under only (crossovers)? (room pics... not a conventional setup at all)

yup, here's the Dayton SUB-1200's FR:
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Hey guys,

with the MiniDSP 2x4 is the calibration process the same with the FV15HP? wit the Room EQ Wizard REW i know ill have to do some sweeps.

Keep the same process as below?,

For vented subs with dual tuning (FV15HP):
Plug one port and set the Rumble filter to OFF/1
Set the Extension to 14hz/Low damping before running Room EQ.

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Speaking of the MiniDSP 2x4, is the balanced or unbalanced the better choice to use with a LV12R?
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Speaking of the MiniDSP 2x4, is the balanced or unbalanced the better choice to use with a LV12R?
The LV12R does not have balanced (XLR) inputs so you have to go with the miniDSP 2x4 unbalance (RCA)



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Speaking of the MiniDSP 2x4, is the balanced or unbalanced the better choice to use with a LV12R?
The LV12R does not have balanced (XLR) inputs so you have to go with the miniDSP 2x4 unbalance (RCA)
Ok, would the 0.9V RMS output from the MiniDSP be enough to work properly with a single LV12R?
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Ok, would the 0.9V RMS output from the MiniDSP be enough to work properly with a single LV12R?
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