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I've been running out of the LFE connection on my Rythmik F12 but would like to try out the LINE connection. I just recalibrated Audyssey a couple days ago and everything sounds great. Must I run Audyssey again if I switch from LFE to LINE?

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I've been running out of the LFE connection on my Rythmik F12 but would like to try out the LINE connection. I just recalibrated Audyssey a couple days ago and everything sounds great. Must I run Audyssey again if I switch from LFE to LINE?

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I probably would just to be safe.
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I've been running out of the LFE connection on my Rythmik F12 but would like to try out the LINE connection. I just recalibrated Audyssey a couple days ago and everything sounds great. Must I run Audyssey again if I switch from LFE to LINE?
Must you? No. Should you? Yes. Any time you make a configuration change re-running Audyssey is a good idea.

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I agree with the above.

One odd thing I found when making the switch is that my sub distances changed. They went from 9ft and 7ft, to 15ft and 12ft to achieve the best blend at 80hz. Not sure why.
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Must you? No. Should you? Yes. Any time you make a configuration change re-running Audyssey is a good idea.
I know you are both right. Guess I was hoping to be lazy

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I've been running out of the LFE connection on my Rythmik F12 but would like to try out the LINE connection. I just recalibrated Audyssey a couple days ago and everything sounds great. Must I run Audyssey again if I switch from LFE to LINE?

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One odd thing I found when making the switch is that my sub distances changed. They went from 9ft and 7ft, to 15ft and 12ft to achieve the best blend at 80hz. Not sure why.
Sounds like there's some differences in time alignment then, when switching?

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Brian/Enrico,

Can you help me understand the purpose of the low pass slope setting on the A370PEQ3 plate amp? I've currently set this to EXT/12, but want to know more about the 80Hz/24dB and 50Hz/24dB settings. What does this do exactly?

I have a receiver (Marantz SR-7009) that does the bass management. Think the receiver uses a 12dB/octave slope on either side of the crossover frequency.

Currently using the F8+KEF E301 to make the front speakers full range.

By using line input, if I change the low pass slope setting to 80Hz/24dB, would that mean the crossover on the receiver has to be also set to 80Hz to match or is it irrelevant? I'm having some difficulty understanding the low pass slope feature on the A370PEQ3 plate amp.

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I've been running out of the LFE connection on my Rythmik F12 but would like to try out the LINE connection. I just recalibrated Audyssey a couple days ago and everything sounds great. Must I run Audyssey again if I switch from LFE to LINE?

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Yes. Phase shift is different and thus time (delay) changes even with the crossover set to max frequency. Changing the filter, as well as other features on the line input, changes the phase.

If everything sounds great why the change?


Regarding crossover settings, IIRC AVR/12 is a 12 dB/octave crossover with frequency set by the knob on the amp. The other settings use a 24 dB/octave slope at fixed frequencies of 50 Hz or 80 Hz. Whatever you do is cascaded with the AVR's response. If the AVR is set to 80 Hz and uses a second-order (12 dB/octave) filter, then EXT/12 set to 80 Hz will provide a 24 dB/octave electronic rolloff in addition to the intrinsic speaker response (probably not much contribution at 80 Hz). Brian has explained it in this thread, somewhere...

Note the (one) trade with using the LFE input is that the wider (higher) bandwidth raises the noise floor slightly compared to the line inputs. IME the difference is negligible.

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Cables.

I have a Marantz 8802A. What cabke should I use with my F25s?

I'd prefer XLR since one cable needs at least a 35 foot run.

What cables do you guys like?
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One odd thing I found when making the switch is that my sub distances changed. They went from 9ft and 7ft, to 15ft and 12ft to achieve the best blend at 80hz. Not sure why.
That is coz Line In is low passed on the sub resulting in LPF induced added delay. That should be normal.

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Hi Jacob B,
Best to place the F8 (FM8 in your case) close as possible to the front left and front right speakers if you're wanting to combined response with a high crossover on the receiver that doesn't localize. It really depends on how far away the speakers are from the Main Listening Position (MLP).
I know I am sacrificing a bit on the placement of the right FM8 in relation the right main speaker, but that is a consequence of my asymmetrical room. It might localize further right than the mid and highs from the right main speaker - we will see (hear).
I will likely have to play with the AVR crossover frequency - 180-200 hz might be too high for music, but work well for movies or vice versa.

I hooked them all up last week, but not with their own power circuit yet. I have a humm in all speakers. I will not investigate until they have their own circuit. Right now they share circuit with light dimmers, 220v to 110v power converter, media server, router, switch, printer, etc. They have ground connected. I have not tested them yet for humm with the RCA cables disconnected (which would remove the signal path / long cable run (50 feet) as a potential cause).
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Except for a big drop after 50 hz, which I believe is caused by the lower output from the FM8 as compared to the E15HP, it sounds great! I will turn up the FM8s a couple of clicks and run bas EQ again.
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I have a Marantz 8802A. What cabke should I use with my F25s?

I'd prefer XLR since one cable needs at least a 35 foot run.

What cables do you guys like?

If you have the XLR2 or XLR3 amp on your Rythmik, and balanced outputs on your Marantz, you may as well use the XLR inputs and outputs. With a 35' cable I sure would! Unless you're really into specialty cables, the Mogami Gold Studio balanced cable will be fine. You can get it at any good pro audio shop or guitar store. Guitar Center sells the 25' Mogami Gold Studio for about $70/ea, but you can find it online for less I believe. It is also available in longer runs, but I don't know if GC stocks it---check out the Mogami website. If you use specialty cables already, and want to spend more (for whatever reason!), the Kimber Kable Hero model is considered by audiophiles to be really good at reproducing bass. But a 35' run will cost more than you can probably justify.

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Thx BDP. I'm looking at silver serpent cable, and mongami.
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I use Mogami Gold Studio for both, pro audio and home audio. Let me be clear, Mogami cables are not gonna make your F25 sound better than with GLS, Live Wire, Musicians Gear or Monoprice cables. The reason I do recommend Mogami is because its build quality, durability and connectors (Neutrik). Also Mogami cables come with lifetime warranty. I usually buy Mogami at Guitar Center because our business account (from church) and we get 20% discount but you can find them at Amazon for a decent price too.

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@Cain once you get the F25's hooked up and set up properly, can you give us a mini review? You are the other guy that has more than one F25 I know of. What speakers do you have? Thanks.
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I thought he returned the F25 he had and went another route? Now he has two?

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Cain will update you guys after he is done with some fine tuning. It's very interesting his experience with the F25 vs another brand/model!!!
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If everything sounds great why the change?
I think there is always room for small improvements with my system. It sounds darn good to me right now, but I detect a bit of excess energy in the upper bass which occasionally makes the F12 vaguely locatable, and thought I'd try the LINE connection for the steeper subwoofer rolloff and ability to experiment with the amp's crossover knob. I suspect it might very slightly clean that up. But I could leave it as is and still be happy. Often times when I start chasing the very subtle, nuanced improvements it becomes difficult to achieve and I later realize I was better off just leaving it all alone and enjoying

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I agree with the above. If your crossover is 60hz, you probably don't have to redo Audyssey when switching from LFE to Line In. But if it's 80 or higher, your output at the crossover and above will change so you should do it again.

One odd thing I found when making the switch is that my sub distances changed. They went from 9ft and 7ft, to 15ft and 12ft to achieve the best blend at 80hz. Not sure why.
Noticed the same thing when I was playing around with the crossover knob on my old sub. I was told the change in bandwidth was responsible for the change in sw distance/delay.
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Cain will update you guys after he is done with some fine tuning. It's very interesting his experience with the F25 vs another brand/model!!!
IIRC, he got one F25 and was planning to return it after receiving a pair of psa s3000. It would be nice to see his opinion between the two as I do not know of anyone ever has the f25 and s3000.
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Let me get everything all set up and I'll be glad to share my experience. I'd prefer not to say which other subs I tried, but you guys already did. Tom V. is simply one of the finest folks around and is fantastic to talk to and deal with. Great subs, terrific folks.

That having been said for my set-up, my room and listening to a lot of music like I do, the F25 is better for me.

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Be glad to. Gimme a couple of weeks, I only have one sub ATM.
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I have it for sure
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