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Hey all. Just wondering if you guys could provide some sort of opinion on the matter. I've never owned a high quality sub before and have been looking at the Rythmik subs. I noticed they just put out a new sub, the LVX12. For the longest time I was set on getting the LV12R due to the reviews it's been given and the moderate price tag. What I'm unsure about is how much "better" the LVX12 would be for my applications. The room is 12 feet wide, 20 feet long with 7 foot ceilings. It's mostly for movies. Any thoughts on comparing these two? Are they drastically different? Small or large increase in performace? I appreciate the help!
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Hey all. Just wondering if you guys could provide some sort of opinion on the matter. I've never owned a high quality sub before and have been looking at the Rythmik subs. I noticed they just put out a new sub, the LVX12. For the longest time I was set on getting the LV12R due to the reviews it's been given and the moderate price tag. What I'm unsure about is how much "better" the LVX12 would be for my applications. The room is 12 feet wide, 20 feet long with 7 foot ceilings. It's mostly for movies. Any thoughts on comparing these two? Are they drastically different? Small or large increase in performace? I appreciate the help!

If you can afford the LVX12, probably safest to go with it so you don't have a 'what if' moment months/years into the future... I've had the LV12R since early October of last year and I absolutely love it. For me, the $600 price tag was already a bit of a stretch and at that time, the LVX12 didn't exist. So, I have no regrets but if both are in your budget and you want to future-proof your purchase as much as possible (short of FVX15 or higher), the LVX12 might be the safer bet.


As to exact differences, Brian should be the one to answer that question...

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I now adjusted sw gain so that YPAO sets sw trim at a 0.0dB (midpoint setting). Turned out to just be one click lower than before, any more than that and it put me into the positive range (+1.0dB,+2.0dB, etc.).


Here's the measures after YPAO without running the sw trim hot at all:

One thing I've wondered is if the difference in output at 80Hz and under between L+R+sub/CC+sub vs. sub only with a 80Hz crossover is something that Audyssey/auto eq can fix or if it means I need beefier LCRs that dig down to 40-50Hz (f3 point). My current ones are closer to 70Hz, not accounting for room interactions/gain.


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Has anyone picked the new lvx12?
I placed an order on the 29th (last Tuesday), got an automated reply and an order ID, but that's it. No shipping information. I chalked that up to the end-of-year holidays. Hoping they'll ship tomorrow since they were in stock when I ordered. We'll see...

I've been waiting for these since Brian first rumored them in June 2014. I'll be utterly amazed if they live up to the expectations that have built up in my head for the last 18 months. But I'm perfectly willing to be surprised.

EDIT: And I've got a UPS shipping notice! This should be the start of an interesting ride.

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I placed an order on the 29th (last Tuesday), got an automated reply and an order ID, but that's it. No shipping information. I chalked that up to the end-of-year holidays. Hoping they'll ship tomorrow since they were in stock when I ordered. We'll see...

I've been waiting for these since Brian first rumored them in June 2014. I'll be utterly amazed if they live up to the expectations that have built up in my head for the last 18 months. But I'm perfectly willing to be surprised.
While I'm not in the market for another sub, I am curious what the LVX12 gains over the LV12R, considering both are 12 inch ported designs. Particularly, in one port mode.

I think both have the same driver or very similar. And apparently, both are high excursion if I'm reading the website correctly. But the LVX12 has more power and the option to be used in 2 port mode. It also has different bass extension/damping modes, with a 1 port music mode that has very low Q (0.5 vs. 0.8 for high on the LV12R).
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Hi guys. I currently have an old B&W asw 1000 12" 120 watt ported sub. My area is large approx 5300^3. I generally don't go above -15 reference and only interested in movies not music so much.
I have auditioned thanks to my friendly ht store the def tech s8000 super cube. A larger 12" ported richter brand sub and a rel s3 (10" with 2 passive 12").
The rel s3 didn't impress me. The super cube and richter were much the same in performance. All 3 didn't give me an real improvement in what I could feel. But there was an improvement in sound.
Due to size restraints and waf I'm looking at the Rythmik e15hp.
My question is will I feel it more than my existing considering the Rythmik is sealed and current is ported? I know the sound will be a huge improvement but I'm curious to know how if a 15" sealed will move more air and give me more feel than a 12" ported?
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Hi guys. I currently have an old B&W asw 1000 12" 120 watt ported sub. My area is large approx 5300^3. I generally don't go above -15 reference and only interested in movies not music so much.
I have auditioned thanks to my friendly ht store the def tech s8000 super cube. A larger 12" ported richter brand sub and a rel s3 (10" with 2 passive 12").
The rel s3 didn't impress me. The super cube and richter were much the same in performance. All 3 didn't give me an real improvement in what I could feel. But there was an improvement in sound.
Due to size restraints and waf I'm looking at the Rythmik e15hp.
My question is will I feel it more than my existing considering the Rythmik is sealed and current is ported? I know the sound will be a huge improvement but I'm curious to know how if a 15" sealed will move more air and give me more feel than a 12" ported?
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Hi guys. I currently have an old B&W asw 1000 12" 120 watt ported sub. My area is large approx 5300^3. I generally don't go above -15 reference and only interested in movies not music so much.
I have auditioned thanks to my friendly ht store the def tech s8000 super cube. A larger 12" ported richter brand sub and a rel s3 (10" with 2 passive 12").
The rel s3 didn't impress me. The super cube and richter were much the same in performance. All 3 didn't give me an real improvement in what I could feel. But there was an improvement in sound.
Due to size restraints and waf I'm looking at the Rythmik e15hp.
My question is will I feel it more than my existing considering the Rythmik is sealed and current is ported? I know the sound will be a huge improvement but I'm curious to know how if a 15" sealed will move more air and give me more feel than a 12" ported?
A big room like that probably needs 2x 15" ported, unless you can place it near field. Corner loading will help, if you need to go with E15HPs, but I'd still suggest getting 2. For WAF, the glossy piano versions are beautiful.
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Thanks rcohen I know ported would be ideal and 2 better than 1 but size restraints and waf means stick with what I have or the e15hp. Just wondering if the 15" sealed would perform better than a 12" ported as far as feeling the movies goes?
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I placed an order on the 29th (last Tuesday), got an automated reply and an order ID, but that's it. No shipping information. I chalked that up to the end-of-year holidays. Hoping they'll ship tomorrow since they were in stock when I ordered. We'll see...

I've been waiting for these since Brian first rumored them in June 2014. I'll be utterly amazed if they live up to the expectations that have built up in my head for the last 18 months. But I'm perfectly willing to be surprised.
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Thanks rcohen I know ported would be ideal and 2 better than 1 but size restraints and waf means stick with what I have or the e15hp. Just wondering if the 15" sealed would perform better than a 12" ported as far as feeling the movies goes?
If the subs are comparable i.e. a 600 watt 12" ported sub vs a 600 watt 15" sealed sub, comparable quality drivers, the 12" will likely have a little bit more output around port tune, but the sealed sub will perform higher below 16Hz and above 30 Hz. In your case, coming from a 120 watt, lower end 12" ported sub, the much higher quality 15" will likely outperform it across the board by a considerable margin. In fact, I feel comfortable saying the difference would be drastic. Take a look at the BIC PL200 on data-bass..it likely outperforms your sub as it is a 250 watt 12" ported sub, and compare it to the SB13 Ultra which is similar in capability to the E15HP.

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Thanks rcohen I know ported would be ideal and 2 better than 1 but size restraints and waf means stick with what I have or the e15hp. Just wondering if the 15" sealed would perform better than a 12" ported as far as feeling the movies goes?
That's a tough one to call... smaller rooms help augment bass because of their close confines, something larger rooms don't. Chances are the E15HP would have equal output to most ported 12" subwoofers in the mid-bass range, and almost certainly be able to extend lower. But in a room that size? Room gain will be little to none.

What about the LVX12? That's a ported 12", yet it's not much larger than the E15HP.

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Any ETA on the new 18's? I've asked a few times and others have asked as well, but we never get a response. Spring, summer, fall? Not this year, but next?
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Thanks rcohen I know ported would be ideal and 2 better than 1 but size restraints and waf means stick with what I have or the e15hp. Just wondering if the 15" sealed would perform better than a 12" ported as far as feeling the movies goes?
It will definitely perform better, but it's hard to say whether it will be enough to give you the tactile sensation you are looking for. If it doesn't, you could consider a second sub, and/or tactile transducers. Many have reported that tactile transducers can be tuned to make bass more tactile and satisfying without feeling like a gimmicky effect - especially Crowsons.

I'd still start with that E15HP, though. I'd expect it to be a big improvement over a low-end 12" sub, even if it's not enough to pressurize your room. Corner load, if possible.
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Any ETA on the new 18's? I've asked a few times and others have asked as well, but we never get a response. Spring, summer, fall? Not this year, but next?

That's like asking an artist when his new album will be released ;-)! A new model is a serious investment in research and development time, and the cost to have a prototype 18" driver manufactured will be considerable. That prototype will then need to be tested, changes made, and the driver put into full production. I wouldn't hold my breathe, it could be awhile.

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^^ But Brian had mentioned that the FV18 and FV25 have been in the work for quite some time now.
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Just ordered a F12SE and I am stoked to say the least! This will be my first subwoofer ever so I am sure I will be pleased with the results.
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You are a patient man!
ROFLMAO! I'm more deranged than patient. But it's not because of Rythmik. I've had a few years of moderately painful family problems (illnesses, deaths, etc.), but largely that's an aberration and things are starting to look up. I'm a lucky SOB and I know it.

How do I know? First, Rythmik makes this speaker available when I can finally deal with it, then my wife didn't even ask how big they are or how much they cost, she just said "buy 'em!" But I already knew they fit within her (unstated) size profile, and even being near the bottom of the Rythmik lineup on power, they are still overkill for what I need.

Looking forward to these puppies. Should be fun.
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I don't think I can no longer wait on an 18" from Rythmik. If Brian does not release an 18" by April I'll have to go with the Captivator 218HT. The main reason I wanted to stay with the Rythmik is because of the PEQ, but also do not like that the phase nob is not useable with LFE IN. I know some of you will say use the distance wtihin the AVR, but not when multiple subs are connected with a splitter.

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I don't think I can no longer wait on an 18" from Rythmik. If Brian does not release an 18" by April I'll have to go with the Captivator 218HT. The main reason I wanted to stay with the Rythmik is because of the PEQ, but also do not like that the phase nob is not useable with LFE IN. I know some of you will say use the distance wtihin the AVR, but not when multiple subs are connected with a splitter.

I would also consider Deep Sea Sound for an 18". I'm waiting for one of their 24's, but the Deep Sea Sound 18" also l packs a wallop. Well worth checking out.


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yet more connection questions

Denon AVR-X4000 driving two LVX-12s (when they arrive). About 60% HTR, 40% music.

Question is, LFE or line connection? I'm thinking line because of the music. But my reading of the AVR and Rythmik's docs just leave me scratching my head. So I searched this thread and sure enough, there's a fairly long discussion of this very topic about 16 months back. That also just left me scratching my head.

Gotta buy some kind of cable before these subs arrive, one way or the other. Which connection method gives me better odds of success?
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Any ETA on the new 18's? I've asked a few times and others have asked as well, but we never get a response. Spring, summer, fall? Not this year, but next?
Any talk/chance on a F25 with 18" drivers. Now THAT is something I could get on board with for sure. Although I guess I could "settle" for a FV25.

Can't complain at all as I have been very happily enjoying my FV15HP for quite a while and it is definitely no slouch.

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Currently Using a F15 on a 2 channel system. Lately i have been toying with a 5.1 receiver while still using a 2 speakers. Speakers are Usher X-719, fairly substantial bookshelves with 7 inch woofers. I setup my fronts to small and set the crossover to 50 Hz, Now every time I change the crossover point to say 60,70,80Hz.. i get an increase in bass response without changing anything else except the crossover point. Is this the way its suppose to work ? My understanding is that when changing crossover points, the bass is divided at the crossover points between Fronts and subwoofer, but the actual bass response should stay the same. Is this correct ?
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Any talk/chance on a F25 with 18" drivers. Now THAT is something I could get on board with for sure. Although I guess I could "settle" for a FV25.

Can't complain at all as I have been very happily enjoying my FV15HP for quite a while and it is definitely no slouch.

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Quick question: do the Q/Damping settings make much difference if you intend on using something like XT32 with SUB EQ to correct bass frequencies anyway? Or are the changes in sound independent of any room correction software?
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Currently Using a F15 on a 2 channel system. Lately i have been toying with a 5.1 receiver while still using a 2 speakers. Speakers are Usher X-719, fairly substantial bookshelves with 7 inch woofers. I setup my fronts to small and set the crossover to 50 Hz, Now every time I change the crossover point to say 60,70,80Hz.. i get an increase in bass response without changing anything else except the crossover point. Is this the way its suppose to work ? My understanding is that when changing crossover points, the bass is divided at the crossover points between Fronts and subwoofer, but the actual bass response should stay the same. Is this correct ?
Not sure exactly what you mean by "an increase in bass response", but if it translates into a more full-bodied sound by upping the crossover I'm not surprised. You're going from 7" drivers producing that frequency range to a 15" designed specifically for bass. I think it would be more of a concern if you didn't hear any change.

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The room EQ software will more than likely make a few tweaks different between the various Q settings, but it's independent. The sub is at the end of the signal chain so the changes you make are (generally) post EQ.

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Currently Using a F15 on a 2 channel system. Lately i have been toying with a 5.1 receiver while still using a 2 speakers. Speakers are Usher X-719, fairly substantial bookshelves with 7 inch woofers. I setup my fronts to small and set the crossover to 50 Hz, Now every time I change the crossover point to say 60,70,80Hz.. i get an increase in bass response without changing anything else except the crossover point. Is this the way its suppose to work ? My understanding is that when changing crossover points, the bass is divided at the crossover points between Fronts and subwoofer, but the actual bass response should stay the same. Is this correct ?

Let me ask you this: To where do you have the controls on the F15 set? When you "change the crossover point to say 60, 70, 80Hz" on the Ushers, without changing the controls on the F15 from, say, 50Hz to 80Hz, of course you will get an increase in bass response!
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A good friend of mine has a pair of FV15hp's and I've always been impressed with the SQ of that sub and slightly preferred it over my vtf15hmk2's when I had it. That said, the best sounding sub I've ever heard/experienced is the SubM -- so that's my point of reference as I revamp my 2-ch setup in our living room.
I currently have towers with a 15" driver and needing more oomph. I plan on getting a pair of diysg's 893 or 1099 and will need something to fill in the lower octaves, more importantly stands in which the speakers can sit on.

The room is only 11x17x8' with a single 3' opening. I don't care about stupid SPL levels (I have 8 x 18's in ported boxes in the basement for that). I'm looking for a very articulate, controlled and a snappy hitting 40hz+ sub like the SubM. Why build more DIY subs, you ask? 1) we have a new baby, no time 2) I want a plate amp (rack style mounts will clash with the contemporary decor; definitely will fail WAF. By the time I factor in a dayton plate amp, I'm only 1 to 2 hundred dollars away) 3) Potential resale value when I upgrade again.

My budget is only $1800 all-in.
I'm looking at the following subs within the Rhythmik line-up: F12, L22 or LVX12. I would definitely appreciate any feedback, especially from members who've heard the SubM's.

Thanks
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Hi All,
A good friend of mine has a pair of FV15hp's and I've always been impressed with the SQ of that sub and slightly preferred it over my vtf15hmk2's when I had it. That said, the best sounding sub I've ever heard/experienced is the SubM -- so that's my point of reference as I revamp my 2-ch setup in our living room.
I currently have towers with a 15" driver and needing more oomph. I plan on getting a pair of diysg's 893 or 1099 and will need something to fill in the lower octaves, more importantly stands in which the speakers can sit on.

The room is only 11x17x8' with a single 3' opening. I don't care about stupid SPL levels (I have 8 x 18's in ported boxes in the basement for that). I'm looking for a very articulate, controlled and a snappy hitting 40hz+ sub like the SubM. Why build more DIY subs, you ask? 1) we have a new baby, no time 2) I want a plate amp (rack style mounts will clash with the contemporary decor; definitely will fail WAF. By the time I factor in a dayton plate amp, I'm only 1 to 2 hundred dollars away) 3) Potential resale value when I upgrade again.

My budget is only $1800 all-in.
I'm looking at the following subs within the Rhythmik line-up: F12, L22 or LVX12. I would definitely appreciate any feedback, especially from members who've heard the SubM's.

Thanks
Your room is only 1500 cu ft so my recommendation would be a pair of F12s. I have a pair of F12SEs in my 2700 cu ft room and I love them. They are very clean and articulate for music but they play loud enough for movies as well. The L22 would be my second choice but I'm afraid that the extra output that they offer won't be used in such small room. Same thing for the LVX12....

A pair of F12s is $1710 with shipping included to any state in the USA so right in your budget.
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