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The only negative thing I have seen Tom say towards another company was Reaction Audio...and IMO it was justified.

Either way enough of this, I like Rythmik products and I might end up with a Rythmik sub here soon. Been wanting to try one for a while. I have heard SVS, PSA, some SI18 Diy stuff...
Comment like 'how many of those Chinese amps can match this or that ....' from an owner of a company is just plain bad/insulting.
I encourage you to try a Rythmik sub.











The upcoming FV25hp that is.
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I would buy it just to mess with people when they came to my house hahaha

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FV15HP ordered. To say I'm excited would be an understatement!
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Although I do plan to buy another pair of those $70 polk T15s for my rears this week.
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But if I had enough money to afford such things, I'd take a V12 Ferrari instead... that would be a difference I would hear for sure
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Good point! But, ya know, Ferrari owners are likely to spend two grand on a set of high-performance tires
Doubt you could get a set for $2000. Maybe 2.
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Yes Sir. "Still no facts": Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
I PM'd you asking first...no reply.

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Comment like 'how many of those Chinese amps can match this or that ....' from an owner of a company is just plain bad/insulting.
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The upcoming FV25hp that is.
I honestly do not recall him saying that...sounds out of character.

Yes I am holding out to see what the FV25 or FV18 is all about.

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This cable talk reminds me of something I saw earlier this year. This should help with your streaming music over wifi. It even made the bluetooth audio sound better.



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So I think we all can agree that this is bunk but IF removing moisture from the air was really THAT important, wouldn't it make MUCH MORE SENSE to simply put a dehumidifier in your home? Even IF this snake oil DID remove some moisture from a room, other moisture from an adjacent room (like a commerical studio where the ad was shot) would simply fill in the less moisture spaces. COMPLETE BUNK

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So I think we all can agree that this is bunk but IF removing moisture from the air was really THAT important, wouldn't it make MUCH MORE SENSE to simply put a dehumidifier in your home? Even IF this snake oil DID remove some moisture from a room, other moisture from an adjacent room (like a commerical studio where the ad was shot) would simply fill in the less moisture spaces. COMPLETE BUNK
Just making sure you and everyone else know, that was an April Fools Day joke from KEF. Not a real product.
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The only negative thing I have seen Tom say towards another company was Reaction Audio...and IMO it was justified.

Either way enough of this, I like Rythmik products and I might end up with a Rythmik sub here soon. Been wanting to try one for a while. I have heard SVS, PSA, some SI18 Diy stuff...

Everything is bigger in Texas, even the corporations. So if you are dealing with small volume niche products, no one will even talk to you. This is absolutely closer to reality than a joke. The first US driver company (NCA) I worked with told me to find another supplier after a year. My second US driver company is TC Sounds. Thilo is a nice guy. But in reality, he won't even make drivers for me if it were not because he is in a financial difficulty. The third US company I talked to want to see my bank statement before we can even talk business. The forth one has a different strategy. They have a very reasonable priced off-the-shelf driver that they want to sell. But if you want to make a special driver, not only they will charge you big bucks for tooling, they also want you to commit annual quantity. I understand that they have a company to run and those policies come from the top, not those I talked to. But if I use the same off-the-shelf drivers, what are my differentiating factors? So if I need to stick to made in USA, I need to find a deep pocket investor or a few of them. Then I need to listen to them and do what they think will sell. It is not a pretty picture. Is the fiasco of RA related to not having deep pocket?


My customers know my passion on subwoofers (and audio in general). I also have a Ph.D in EE. But I found my passion in audio even before I went to engineering school. This is very important. It is similar to asking your doctor "do you study medicine because you want to save lives or because it makes money"? Now given my passion on subwoofers, I am not going to let the reality stop me from making products. I need to find suppliers willing to work with me. We either have products or not have products.
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You make some great points. However, I would be surprised if JTR and Seaton sell more subwoofers than Rythmik (correct me if I am wrong). Other companies are having success having custom drivers built in the U.S. A minimum quantity of 50 doesn't seem excessive (Eminence).

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To qualify as an OEM, we require a minimum order of 50 pieces per spec as well as a copy of your resale tax certificate or business license. The Eminence production capacity is approximately 10,000 transducers per day. With production numbers like this, coupled with over 40 years of experience, it’s no wonder virtually every manufacturer in the world builds equipment powered by Eminence drivers!
What would it take for you to source more components (drivers, cabinets, etc.) domestically, and bring your manufacturing/assembly to the U.S? Fewer SKUs (do you really need the 8" driver assemblies?)? How did SVS do it years ago[before going corporate]? How is PSA doing it today while seemingly offering more value per dollar (debateable)?
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As many already know, some Rythmik Audio components are made in USA (Voice coils, servo coils, etc) and we ship them to China for final assembling. All Rythmik Audio components made in China are made in OUR own factory. Brian's brother overseas operations in China and that's the reason we have total control of our products. Then we get all components made in China ship to the USA and final assembling and testing of the product is done in our warehouse in Austin, TX. So in other words, Rythmik Audio subwoofers are manufactured by Rythmik Audio.
A pair of Rythmik E15s were at the top of my wish list last year. When I learned that PSA had just moved to SpeakerPower amps and were assembling in the US I started doing more research on the companies I was considering. Rythmik exporting their full assemblies from China was the sole reason I didn't purchase. Doesn't Ascend assemble in the U.S.?

I am willing to pay more for your impressive servo technology and I know others are too. If it was all about money I would have bought my sealed 15s from HSU locally instead of PSA.

BTW I love the technical information available on your website, but it could use an overhaul. It does not view well on mobile devices, even with a browser that supports flash. It's much easier to view your products via Ascend's site.
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aynway moving on. How bout' them Rythmiks Thuogh
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Man, has it gotten hot in here since yesterday or what? Maybe I can cool it back down with my never-ending subwoofer questions.

I've been reading more and more about the technology (general amp to driver interaction, servo, amplification, etc). A good amount specifically on the H600PEQ3. Some questions about the FV15HP and H600PEQ3.

  1. On the H600PEQ3 PEQ settings, am I to understand that should my FR be that I only need one PEQ filter, I wouldn't really need the 2x4 HD as long as I can hone in the settings on the H600PEQ3 to flatten the one peak/dip?

  2. When we say "If you use 1 port", am I correct in my understanding that this simply means I have plugged one of the two ports, and set the rumble filter to off? (or on if unplugged).

  3. Does it matter which of the two ports is plugged if that's right?

  4. In H600PEQ3's PEQ area - just want to make sure bandwidth = Q right? How wide of a frequency range the PEQ is applied?

  5. Given that I plan to likely switch the damping around between High, Med, Low depending on time of day, if baby is home, etc, does it make sense for me to just do REW with the setting on what I would call ideal performance (probably low) and just realize if I switch it to Med/High the FR and other factors will change, but if I change it back to Low it'll be back to the FR I measured for?

  6. Also, along the lines of 4, if I setup PEQ with the 2x4 HD, and change the damping between High, Med, Low, could the FR completely get whacked out and potentially cause big dips/peeks in unwanted places? If so, would a solution be to setup multiple configs on the 2x4 HD for each of the High, Med, Low, settings and switch it when I switch it on the sub?


I think that's all for now but remember, I haven't even gotten the sub yet so I will have more questions.

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A pair of Rythmik E15s were at the top of my wish list last year. When I learned that PSA had just moved to SpeakerPower amps and were assembling in the US I started doing more research on the companies I was considering. Rythmik exporting their full assemblies from China was the sole reason I didn't purchase. Doesn't Ascend assemble in the U.S.?

Who says Rythmik export full assembly from China? For E15 alone, we offer silver/black cone and 3 amplifier options. That is a total of 6 SKU. Then we have FV15HP, F15HP, F12 all have 6 SKUs. If we have them all assembled from China, my warehouse needs to be huge, does it? We have many different products assembled here at Austin. Even myself assemble subwoofers when my staff is on vacation. Of course, as we grow, we will need to make it efficient.


I don't even want to ask Tom to stop saying we assembled subs in China on his website. How many years he has been doing that? He has not been in our office/warehouse. Too many customers takes his words as facts. We do have a couple of entry level models that will be assembled overseas. But none of those models are on his web sites as his competitors. So practically his information on the website is wrong. But that is ok. I know how Tom is. He works hard. I don't mind losing a few customers to him. But the bigger loss is the customer if they still don't get it. It is the ideas/products/methods that the company is selling is important. Customers can talk to me. Again that is part of what we are selling. If customers like the idea of servo subwoofers, then they will be open-minded enough see through all the business practices and understand why we are doing all of these.


I talked Eminence before. It is the company wants to sell me their standard drivers. I talked to them twice 5 years apart because a customer told me I should check with them again. You do know all driver prices are tiered. That is the CYA from manufacturers. They don't lose money. You don't want to pay for 50pcs price unless you are selling $5,000 subs. And there are other details which I don't want to get into.
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I just wanted to say I am a very happy fv15hp owner for over two years. I can't wait to see their next products.

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I do not think his website says assembled in China, it says "country of origin"...which is the truth if the enclosure, driver, and amplifiers are sourced from overseas no?

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Man, has it gotten hot in here since yesterday or what? Maybe I can cool it back down with my never-ending subwoofer questions.

I've been reading more and more about the technology (general amp to driver interaction, servo, amplification, etc). A good amount specifically on the H600PEQ3. Some questions about the FV15HP and H600PEQ3.

  1. On the H600PEQ3 PEQ settings, am I to understand that should my FR be that I only need one PEQ filter, I wouldn't really need the 2x4 HD as long as I can hone in the settings on the H600PEQ3 to flatten the one peak/dip?


    When we say "If you use 1 port", am I correct in my understanding that this simply means I have plugged one of the two ports, and set the rumble filter to off? (or on if unplugged).


    Does it matter which of the two ports is plugged if that's right?


    In H600PEQ3's PEQ area - just want to make sure bandwidth = Q right? How wide of a frequency range the PEQ is applied?


    Given that I plan to likely switch the damping around between High, Med, Low depending on time of day, if baby is home, etc, does it make sense for me to just do REW with the setting on what I would call ideal performance (probably low) and just realize if I switch it to Med/High the FR and other factors will change, but if I change it back to Low it'll be back to the FR I measured for?


    Also, along the lines of 4, if I setup PEQ with the 2x4 HD, and change the damping between High, Med, Low, could the FR completely get whacked out and potentially cause big dips/peeks in unwanted places? If so, would a solution be to setup multiple configs on the 2x4 HD for each of the High, Med, Low, settings and switch it when I switch it on the sub?


I think that's all for now but remember, I haven't even gotten the sub yet so I will have more questions.
The PEQ controls are for one band of parametric eq (like one filter in REW). Not sure what Q values are possible with the bandwidth knob.

Low damping, 14Hz extension, 1 port plugged and rumble filter off are the settings to use during any sort of room correction and also a good idea with the MiniDSP PEQ. Afterwards, you can change these to preference and it won't mess up any calibration done.

It shouldn't matter which port is plugged in 1 port mode. And your understanding of how to change port modes is correct.
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I do not think his website says assembled in China, it says "country of origin"...which is the truth if the enclosure, driver, and amplifiers are sourced from overseas no?

What are you talking about? The term "country of origin" is vague. Look how Marc interpreted that. What if all the components of the drivers (magnets, basket, cones) are all from China and they are put together here at Eminence? What is the country of origin for the driver? Is that made in USA, or assembled in USA, or half assembled in USA, or half made in USA? If that is questionable, how about the systems assembled from those drivers? Do you want to continue to amplifiers, power cords?

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I just wanted to say I am a very happy fv15hp owner for over two years. I can't wait to see their next products.
If you're up to it, in anticipation for receiving mine on Monday, I would love to hear some more detail around your experiences with it. Best/worst things about it. Times you were wow'd by it (or underwhelmed if those cases exist).

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The point is the Drivers, amps, and enclosures are all sourced from American companies and assembled here in the states. You are sourcing all key components from foreign companies and assembling here in the states and some of your products are already assembled over seas and shipped over. There is a difference...and I believe federal trade laws allow a certain percentage of the parts in a product to be sourced over seas such as a amp capacitor or driver motor...etc.

Aside from that I do not believe myself or Marc is insisting where you source your components is a bad thing. Again I like your products, and would like to try one out someday. Looking forward to the seeing some more FV18 and 25 pics.

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I personally want the best product at the best price in any market segment, for that matter.

(Whether its made 100% in the USA or not does not matter to me.)

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If you're up to it, in anticipation for receiving mine on Monday, I would love to hear some more detail around your experiences with it. Best/worst things about it. Times you were wow'd by it (or underwhelmed if those cases exist).
The worst thing I would have to say was waiting for it . When you first get it and set it up, the amount of settings can be overwhelming. Rythmik gave documentation for the amp and of course the helpful people from Rythmik who post on this site as well as other users here. All the settings give you many ways to configure your sub. You have to basically figure out what setting works for your tastes and use of the sub.

As far as experiences, I have over 750 blu-rays so I can give you a quick list of my favorites:

- Tron Legacy: Is a subwoofer feast. It combines refined sound effects with brute force effects. The Grid scene and the Lightbike scene.
- Oblivion (same style as Tron Legacy, clean and forceful): The rope scene with the bass sweep is very nice.
- World War Z: The grenade scene with a bass sweep.
- Godzilla: MUTO emerging scene.
- Terminator Salvation: Gas station scene.

The only "negative" I have run across was in the film Dredd. There is a classroom scene where the sub was "flapping". This "flapping" is adjustable by changing settings, but since it was the only movie I noticed it on, I didn't change any settings.

I have mine setup in a 13x15 room using the 14 hz extension with high damping and rumble filter off. I have run into a lot of people into audio. And in regards to subs, I have run into the people who think loud with extension is the criteria for a sub. I am greedy. I want loud, with extension, and with clean accuracy. I did my research and read a few reviews and stalked this thread when this sub hit my radar during the sub quest. I guess that was why I got the best available from Rythmik at the time was I didn't want to wonder "what if". I can say from my experiences, I have no regrets. I am excited for you because I know that excitement that a new toy can bring. I hope you hear your impressions when you get it and if you need any assistance with tweaking, I am sure one of us here will be more than willing to help. I hope this helps you or perhaps adds to your waiting pain
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Who says Rythmik export full assembly from China?
You and @enricoclaudio have both mentioned the "factory" in China and final Assembly and "warehouse" in Texas. Most recently by Enrico:
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As many already know, some Audio components are made in USA (Voice coils, servo coils, etc) and we ship them to China for final assembling. All Rythmik Audio components made in China are made in OUR own factory. Brian's brother overseas operations in China and that's the reason we have total control of our products. Then we get all components made in China ship to the USA and final assembling and testing of the product is done in our warehouse in Austin, TX. So in other words, Rythmik Audio subwoofers are manufactured by Rythmik Audio.
I didn't just go by the PSA website/chat. I read both the Rythmik and PSA threads on AVS and HTS as well as all reviews I could find.

If the info on your manufacturing & warranty on the PSA are incorrect, please set the record straight. We the people of AVS will pressure Tom to correct it. I don't think I misinterpreted anything. I think Rythmik's and HSU's business models are more alike than different.

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