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They are already $800-900. 🙄
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(the new models allow allow a 18Hz manual filter
15Hz.
While still not quite up to XT32 standard YPAO has been significantly improved the last couple of years.
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New? Where?
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15Hz.
While still not quite up to XT32 standard YPAO has been significantly improved the last couple of years.
Don't ge me wrong, I love Yamaha. Been buying them exclusively for the last 15 years. This Marantz AV7702mkII is my first departure. Its not perfect but it is near perfect for me.
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New/open box. I PM'd @citsur86 . I want him to have the first shot if he has the cash/credit. I'll post the link if he's not ready to pull the trigger.
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New/open box. I PM'd @citsur86 . I want him to have the first shot if he has the cash/credit. I'll post the link if he's not ready to pull the trigger.
New/open box generally equates to used.
Not buying though. Just curious.
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I have an onkyo TX-NR709 I will be dumping soon so I feel your pain. It was a nice receiver but time marches on. The Marantz SR7009 or Denon X5200 will all be missing something versus the new Marantz/Denon units I mentioned like either HDCP 2.2 or DTS X. I'm sorry but the SR6011/X4300W are your entry point with 9 channels of amplification. As Enrico mentioned there is an Audyssey app that will be available for the 2016 models. So there is also that. I can put you in touch with a dealer on AVS when you are ready. Save your pennies and wait for those two models. Anything else and it's Deja Vu all over again.
Everyone is not moving to 4k so the 7009 and X5200 are just fine for a 9 channel setup. 7.2.2 or 5.2.4
The Dolby Surround upmixer works just fine with DTS tracks.

Also, he's got a minidsp 2x4 HD so he doesn't need the app to set a house curve. He's already doing it.
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New/open box generally equates to used.
Not buying though. Just curious.
Ok, you were referring to new. I was talking about buying used/refurb/open box.
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Everyone is not moving to 4k so the 7009 and X5200 are just fine for a 9 channel setup. 7.2.2 or 5.2.4
The Dolby Surround upmixer works just fine with DTS tracks.

Also, he's got a minidsp 2x4 HD so he doesn't need the app to set a house curve. He's already doing it.
Still missing DTS X. Minidsp can't give him that.
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Plus that is not a full range house curve in the MiniDSP
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The 2050 doesn't do that. You have to go to this year's 3060 in order to get 15Hz eq from YPAO.

...says this guy that just dropped a chunk of coin on a new 3060 when he was actually shopping for a NIB, old stock 3050 or 2050 around the $1K to $1,200 target. Instead I went with the 3060 simply to get the 7.1.4 configuration as well as it's ability to do that while running a second zone for WHA (off the 3rd zone RCA jacks). The sub EQ was simply a bonus in my case, not a deciding factor.
Sorry to inform you the 2050 now supports it via firmware update.
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The 2050 doesn't do that. You have to go to this year's 3060 in order to get 15Hz eq from YPAO.

...says this guy that just dropped a chunk of coin on a new 3060 when he was actually shopping for a NIB, old stock 3050 or 2050 around the $1K to $1,200 target. Instead I went with the 3060 simply to get the 7.1.4 configuration as well as it's ability to do that while running a second zone for WHA (off the 3rd zone RCA jacks). The sub EQ was simply a bonus in my case, not a deciding factor.
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Sorry to inform you the 2050 now supports it via firmware update.
I take that back, looks like i am confused with dts-x
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The 2050 doesn't do that. You have to go to this year's 3060 in order to get 15Hz eq from YPAO.
IIRC the 860 and above manually eq to 15Hz.
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I tend to spend money on new AV equipment anytime I have a significant amount saved set aside for that purpose. Since I already spent a lot in the last year or two regarding subs and speakers and an Xbox One, I decided to stop saving for the moment so I can postpone the new AVR purchase until holiday 2017. Especially since I'm looking at Audyssey XT32, which doesn't come cheap with the latest models.

Reading these threads isn't helping, lol... it makes me want more and more even though I find my current system jaw dropping with the right movies and music.


you can get a X3300 for 699.00 bnib...not authorized retailer tho, but a good company. XT32 and the app control feature.

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BTWThe X4200 is Atmos/DTS:X ready.

Safe and Sound has the X4200 for $899 right now.
they were 799.00 2 nights ago...should of jumped on that.

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This is my latest and the FR I was talking about in that it sounded good. It's a house curve rather than a flat response which over the last month or so I prefer. I have a 80hz xover and this is the LFE channel only. Unfortunately my AVR automatically, and without an option to change it, sets the LPF of LFE at whatever the X.over is set at. So I have an 80hz x.over and 80hz LPF of LFE. I'll have to listen much more to know for sure, but so far this is by far the best I've heard it sound, and it sounded good! Also I'm keeping in mind it's not broken in at all yet.

I think a key point you may be missing is the FR of the complete system. In other words, how do things look from 60-200 Hz with the speakers and sub playing together. This is what is going to have a huge impact on how your system sounds. Deficiencies in this region will drastically affect sound quality.
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I think a key point you may be missing is the FR of the complete system. In other words, how do things look from 60-200 Hz with the speakers and sub playing together. This is what is going to have a huge impact on how your system sounds. Deficiencies in this region will drastically affect sound quality.


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I'll post those later tonight.
Correct me if I am wrong, but cant you get a 7.2 receiver (ex. x4200w) and add a small amp to run your atmos channels? Doesnt the x4200 have the pre/pro outs? Might be a cheaper option than spending a ton more on a 9.2 reciever. I am very new at this kinda stuff so please correct me if I am misinformed lol.
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Do these subs vibrate a lot? Thought about stacking some amps on top of the E15. The 94lb Monolith 7 comes to mind. Any thoughts?
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I have 2 L12 run off Anthem MRX. In my room, I found using line-in with Low-HT, 12db worked the best in my space for freq response and extension. Using LFE input will cause the subs to extend into ~250hz. I have smaller HT Goldenear Array for LCR and Anthem room correction would cross them high, 170hz, causing deeper male voices to come from the subs. I didn't like this as I have one L12 near the LCR and the other near-field to MLP. I found that using line-in rolled off the higher freqs and thus Anthem would 'push' the LCR x-over lower as the sub now doesn't produce much above ~100hz, yet extends to 16hz before dropping off quickly.

Hope this makes sense. I would learn REW so you can 'see' the FR, decay, etc. and make the best choice as there are really so many adjustments/variable available, you could be guessing for a long while just listening. Few of the settings will cause them to sound bad, just most won't be optimal for your space.

I also gain matched the pair first, in the center of room, close mic'd, then treat them as a one in the Anthem.
I wish I had an anthem. I have an SR7010 with a pair of Paradigm 75F's which have a low frequency of 34Hz. The paradigm folks said don't use the cross over and let the towers roll off.

I'm not averse to setting a crossover but I'm unsure of
what to do. My room is 24x13x7, receiver is an SR7010, fronts are Paradigm 75F towers and 45C center, the (8) 7.4 surround bed is Paradigm Pro 6.5" in walls. Those roll off between 80 and 100 (based off a crossover).

So you're saying for dual subs:

Use Line in, Low-HT, and 12Db.
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IIRC the 860 and above manually eq to 15Hz.
Are you sure it looks like they moved subeq down to the 860, this is what was confusing me during my research this past week.
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IIRC the 860 and above manually eq to 15Hz.
Your post does not make sense to me. Manual EQ to 15Hz would be through 3rd party apps, not the YPAO so sure, you can "manually" do essentially ANY receiver. The 3060 is the 1st (that I know of) that provides EQ down to 15Hz using solely the YPAO that comes with it. No need to buy a separate USB mic. No need to learn REW and/or others in order to "manually" EQ to 15Hz

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Correct me if I am wrong, but cant you get a 7.2 receiver (ex. x4200w) and add a small amp to run your atmos channels? Doesnt the x4200 have the pre/pro outs? Might be a cheaper option than spending a ton more on a 9.2 reciever. I am very new at this kinda stuff so please correct me if I am misinformed lol.
A decent external amp isn't cheap. But if you can find a 7.2 Atmos receiver that processes 9 channels maybe.
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Are you sure it looks like they moved subeq down to the 860, this is what was confusing me during my research this past week.
Whats the question?
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Your post does not make sense to me. Manual EQ to 15Hz would be through 3rd party apps, not the YPAO so sure, you can "manually" do essentially ANY receiver. The 3060 is the 1st (that I know of) that provides EQ down to 15Hz using solely the YPAO that comes with it. No need to buy a separate USB mic. No need to learn REW and/or others in order to "manually" EQ to 15Hz
I don't think YPAO in the 3060 eqs down to 15.
However in all but the lowest Yamaha models you can manually change the YPAO eq settings after running YPAO.
Until the 60 series you could only do it down to 31. In the 60 series you can do it down to 15.
Any other questions should be moved to the Yamaha thread.
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So you're saying for dual subs:

Use Line in, Low-HT, and 12Db.
For my room, yes. I tried all the combinations, even mixing settings so that one was in Low-HT and the other in Low-Music, I didn't mix LFE and Line-in, they are too different. I was searching for the fewest pre-eq peaks and, more importantly, nulls or valleys and found it using Line in, Low-HT, and 12Db on both.

I would cross your Paradigms at 80hz (try 60hz and 100hz as well), not so much for them but to separate the bass frequencies from the upper frequencies allowing you to place each in the 'best' location in your room. It's nearly guaranteed the best speaker placement for sound stage and imaging is NOT the best place for bass. Not to mention it relieves the heavy burden off the amp/receiver driving the Paradigms and leverages the custom spec'd amp made to drive the servo driver in that specific box.

Your space is a little bigger than mine, 16x13x8, but dual L12 really get the room pressurized with loads of headroom. I have two GIK bass traps in my front two corners as well to help kill a 50hz room peak and reduce decay time. I've only had the L12(s) setup for a couple weeks, and just dialed them in this past weekend. The few movies I've watched, I was quite impressed and found myself turning it down as this is the first time I've had a system that was able to reproduce all of the dynamic range without running out of steam, and others were in the house.

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Your post does not make sense to me. Manual EQ to 15Hz would be through 3rd party apps, not the YPAO so sure, you can "manually" do essentially ANY receiver. The 3060 is the 1st (that I know of) that provides EQ down to 15Hz using solely the YPAO that comes with it. No need to buy a separate USB mic. No need to learn REW and/or others in order to "manually" EQ to 15Hz
It looks like the 860 and 1060 now support sub eq.
previously you need the 20x0 or 30x0 for YPAO to eq the sub, and only to 31hz.
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It looks like the 860 and 1060 now support sub eq.
previously you need the 20x0 or 30x0 for YPAO to eq the sub, and only to 31hz.
860 on up to the 3060 allow you to manually adjust peq down to 15hz. Ypao calibration is still limited to 31hz due to the mic limitations.

The 860-1060 have dual sub outs summed as one internally.

The 2060-3060 have true dual subwoofer outputs with independent delay and level. So if you really concerned about dialing in dual sub's you need to get at least the 2050-2060 or 3050-3060 models.

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For my room, yes. I tried all the combinations, even mixing settings so that one was in Low-HT and the other in Low-Music, I didn't mix LFE and Line-in, they are too different. I was searching for the fewest pre-eq peaks and, more importantly, nulls or valleys and found it using Line in, Low-HT, and 12Db on both.

I would cross your Paradigms at 80hz (try 60hz and 100hz as well), not so much for them but to separate the bass frequencies from the upper frequencies allowing you to place each in the 'best' location in your room. It's nearly guaranteed the best speaker placement for sound stage and imaging is NOT the best place for bass. Not to mention it relieves the heavy burden off the amp/receiver driving the Paradigms and leverages the custom spec'd amp made to drive the servo driver in that specific box.

Your space is a little bigger than mine, 16x13x8, but dual L12 really get the room pressurized with loads of headroom. I have two GIK bass traps in my front two corners as well to help kill a 50hz room peak and reduce decay time. I've only had the L12(s) setup for a couple weeks, and just dialed them in this past weekend. The few movies I've watched, I was quite impressed and found myself turning it down as this is the first time I've had a system that was able to reproduce all of the dynamic range without running out of steam, and others were in the house.
What movie and scene is a good movie to test?
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