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I think that's all temporary. The cheaper hard drive space becomes, the less of a consideration it will be. My guess is inside 10 years, digital tracks will be fully uncompressed and ubiquitously so. There's already products like the PonoPlayer that play uncompressed music flac files. My hope is that as time goes by and people are able to easily play fully uncompressed music, sound technicians will mix to that standard.

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I think that's all temporary. The cheaper hard drive space becomes, the less of a consideration it will be. My guess is inside 10 years, digital tracks will be fully uncompressed and ubiquitously so. There's already products like the PonoPlayer that play uncompressed music flac files. My hope is that as time goes by and people are able to easily play fully uncompressed music, sound technicians will mix to that standard.
Mike, we are talking about Dynamic range compression as an audio signal processing operation, not audio file compression like MP3 But either way MP3 or any compressed audio file (in terms of data) sucks!!!
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I think that's all temporary. The cheaper hard drive space becomes, the less of a consideration it will be. My guess is inside 10 years, digital tracks will be fully uncompressed and ubiquitously so. There's already products like the PonoPlayer that play uncompressed music flac files. My hope is that as time goes by and people are able to easily play fully uncompressed music, sound technicians will mix to that standard.
Two completely different things Mike.

Pretty good explanation here:

http://dynamicrangeday.co.uk/about/
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Ah thanks for clearing that up. I misunderstood.


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Two completely different things Mike.



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That video did a great job explaining what you're talking about. I never even knew about this!

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This is a great site to see the DR of albums.

http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/li...ADELE&album=25

Most people look at this and say Vinly has better DR but it's all in the master. If the studio wanted to, all CD could have huge DR.
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This is a great site to see the DR of albums.

http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/li...ADELE&album=25

Most people look at this and say Vinly has better DR but it's all in the master. If the studio wanted to, all CD could have huge DR.
Love that website!. Also completely true, it blows my mind why they would willingly destroy a tracks DR, it seems like a lazy thing to do with so much technology right there in front of them that is designed for incredible audio quality.

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Love that website!. Also completely true, it blows my mind why they would willingly destroy a tracks DR, it seems like a lazy thing to do with so much technology right there in front of them that is designed for incredible audio quality.

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In the 60's, mastering for pop music mostly aimed at making it sound good on car and tabletop radios and portable record players. Nowadays it's to make it sound good through earbuds and portable Bluetooth speakers. In both cases you're trying to optimize for a system with not a lot of output power, so compressing gets you a louder perceived sound.

Also sets the table for the later 'special edition' releases.
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In the 60's, mastering for pop music mostly aimed at making it sound good on car and tabletop radios and portable record players. Nowadays it's to make it sound good through earbuds and portable Bluetooth speakers. In both cases you're trying to optimize for a system with not a lot of output power, so compressing gets you a louder perceived sound.

Also sets the table for the later 'special edition' releases.
Kind of has me thinking....Movies are produced and edited both in picture and sound for DVD and Bluray (and now 4K as well). Why isn't music this way? Why was there never anyone who thought to produce a track for different playback methods like cars/earbuds/home audio systems/etc?

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Kind of has me thinking....Movies are produced and edited both in picture and sound for DVD and Bluray (and now 4K as well). Why isn't music this way? Why was there never anyone who thought to produce a track for different playback methods like cars/earbuds/home audio systems/etc?
Unless there's is money in it; it won't happen. Just like how some studios are keeping ATMOS off their standard blu-ray but having it on their 4K UHD blu-ray dics for no other reason than to make more cash by pushing user's to the most expensive options.

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Kind of has me thinking....Movies are produced and edited both in picture and sound for DVD and Bluray (and now 4K as well). Why isn't music this way? Why was there never anyone who thought to produce a track for different playback methods like cars/earbuds/home audio systems/etc?
Well, there's SACD, DVD-A and Blu Ray Audio discs that are theoretically mixed to a higher standard than standard Redbook CD...as with everything though, the quality of the master can vary with these formats as well.
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Well, there's SACD, DVD-A and Blu Ray Audio discs that are theoretically mixed to a higher standard than standard Redbook CD...as with everything though, the quality of the master can vary with these formats as well.
Yeah that's true - but aren't the Blueray Audio discs normally like concerts and things like that? Or are there actually Audio only blurays? Never heard of them if so. I do find that Tidal High Fidelity music sounds noticeably better on my system, but not too much in my bluetooth headphones - which makes sense for obvious reasons.

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Unless there's is money in it; it won't happen. Just like how some studios are keeping ATMOS off their standard blu-ray but having it on their 4K UHD blu-ray dics for no other reason than to make more cash by pushing user's to the most expensive options.

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Yeah so jumping to ATMOS becomes even more expensive because not only do I need the ATMOS speakers/capable receiver, now I need a 4K TV/projector as well. It's prohibitive to me because of this because while I could swing for one, I can't for both at once.

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Yeah so jumping to ATMOS becomes even more expensive because not only do I need the ATMOS speakers/capable receiver, now I need a 4K TV/projector as well. It's prohibitive to me because of this because while I could swing for one, I can't for both at once.
Yeah I refuse to be forced, it's not like these films are a masterpiece at all so I'll wait or never upgraded. for people who already want to go 4K it's gonna be expensive since you are forced to completely upgrade everything because of some crappy protection that does not even help but hurts the legit consumers😂😂.

Like I said it's all for money, worthless out the gate before hardware was even widely out there. Better to wait until price settles and I'm interested in Dolby version of HDR so I want to see where that goes.

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Yeah that's true - but aren't the Blueray Audio discs normally like concerts and things like that? Or are there actually Audio only blurays? Never heard of them if so. I do find that Tidal High Fidelity music sounds noticeably better on my system, but not too much in my bluetooth headphones - which makes sense for obvious reasons.
There are quite a few audio only BR discs.

There's a whole section of the forum dedicated to this kind of stuff:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/112-su...music-formats/

I just recently got into the multi-channel music thing myself and have a few from Pink Floyd and Roger Waters. DSOTM kind of blew my mind on multi-channel SACD...I've heard that album hundreds of times, but I was hearing things I'd never heard before.
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Yeah that's true - but aren't the Blu-ray Audio discs normally like concerts and things like that? Or are there actually Audio only Blu-rays?
Audio only Blu-ray discs? Sure. Norway's L2 label does this all the time (as do others, L2 is just the first label that came to mind). For example, their recording(s) of Magnificat. Note that it has stereo, 5.1, and 9.1 on the Blu-ray.

I actually have these discs, and even with my decent AVR (a Denon X4000), the SACD sounds better. There's something going on with the Denon's decode, I don't know what. But the SACD through the same disc player and same AVR sounds better than the Blu-ray. Hmmm.....
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