Originally Posted by enricoclaudio
So let me get this clear: some of you did spent countless hours researching for the most accurate, powerful and affordable subwoofer for your HT or Music system, lets say from PSA, Rythmik, JTR, Seaton, Funk Audio or any other ID subwoofer company and now just for the sake of tactile bass response and output you are OK with mixing your high end subwoofers with such a crapy $299 Behringer B1200 subwoofer? Wow... sorry but that does not make any sense to me. As a FOH sound engineer with more than 25 years experience I can tell you that Behringer products are the lowest quality gear you can find in the pro audio world. Not to mention how boomy the B1200 subwoofer is. As you many know I'm half Italian. My dad was very picky with Italian food and when we were kids, I remember my dad leaving the table if anybody of us put Ketchup in the pasta that was made from scratch with real home made bolognese sauce and toped with Parmigiano Reggiano. The pasta analogy looks to me the same as mixing a PSA, Rythmik, JTR, Seaton or any other high end subwoofer with a Behringer B1200. And yes, I have listened to the B1200 and I hate it.
PS: My intention is not to offend anybody, just wanted to make my personal point of view as clear as possible
lexander - Yup probably the best $300 I've ever spent for what it does!
, no offense taken, I can respect that you don't like the Behringer 1200D. That's cool, I think we all hear and experience things differently. I know I've sure been happy with it though! It gives me pretty much exactly what I was looking for at a very reasonable price and small package
Could it or would it ever replace the 3 sealed 18" DIY nearfields I have placed right behind me (formally a Rhythmik FV15HP and a JTR Cap2400)? ....no way! BUT adding it to the mix (and right behind my upper back in my case) helps bring the chest slam to a level that I've never experienced quite like this before, even at real moderate listening levels
Out of the subs that I use and have used (JTR, HSU, Rythmik, DIY SI DS4-18's), I'm not saying that the little $300 Behringer 1200D MBM is better etc. These other subs are some of the best sounding subs around IMHO and I love them all! But the 1200D does hold its own pretty well IMO and does exactly what I wanted it to do, which is add even more chest slam, and it does its job VERY well while not bringing down sound quality at all (at least to my ears). In fact I was so impressed by the additional chest slam that the 1200D added today (I've had it for a month or so now and watch movie demo clips almost daily with it), I'm actually thinking about adding 2 more - one on top of each 18 behind each of the 3 seat couch, instead of just behind the MLP seat.
I've also had a couple of HSU MBM 12-MK2's in the past and really liked them as well. The main difference to me between it and the 1200D, is that (in my subjective opinion) the 1200D sounds just a tiny bit warmer IIRC compared to the 12mk2. But I don't mind it all, it blends in real nicely IMO.
Now would a pile of the best ID subs or even DIY (row of 3 and stacked 2 high right behind me nearfield) be more tactile, have better chest slam and possibly have even better SQ? Probably, but will cost a fair amount more and take up way more space than 1-3 1200Ds at a very reasonable price. I have no complaints though - it keeps a big smile on my face
Originally Posted by dominguez1
Wow! So much controversy over the little 1200D! Lol.
So...I only use the 1200D for movies. Additionally, I run the level lower than the pair of fv15hps and pair of ftw21s.
From a sq standpoint for movies, the 1200D did not degrade the sq at all...in fact, I think it probably improved it a bit as it flattened my FR a bit more.
From a mid bass tactile response standpoint, it completely changed the game! Remember when you went from 1 sub to 2? Watching a previously watched movie is like watching it for the first time again? Same experience I had after adding in this 299 1200D. Literally...it's that big of a difference from a TR standpoint.
I used to be a ULF snob of sorts...meaning any movie that didn't have it, I had trouble enjoying it because it lacked depth. But since this 1200d, the mid bass is so good, it brings my attention to that instead of the missing ULF.
BTW, before the 1200d, its safe to say that my HT was very capable of producing mid bass. I run the pair of fv15hps nearfield, have the 21's up front, and have Fusion 12s for LCR, and 4 Volt 10s for surround duty. These are highly efficient speakers that are quite capable.
From a TR standpoint, I ran the $299 1200d head to head against the $1400 fv15up. The behringer came out on top and produced more TR in the mid bass region. On my phone, but all this is documented in the first post if my mbm thread.
Its never been suggested that the sq is at par by itself with some of these more expensive subs...however, if integrated correctly it can bring a whole new level to the HT experience with near field placement.
+1 .....and I'm also only using mine for movies as well