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fv18 uses 900wrms amp and fv25 uses 1800rms amp.

Fv18 will be 3db (updated) higher output than fv15hp. More improvement is from below 18hz where port output is significant. The improvement is via port compression reduction in the following way. In data-bass test data, our compression is the lowest because the servo feedback adjust the amp output so the output of woofer cone always maintain the consistent frequency response. The only exception is below 18hz where port output becomes significant. Since there is no sensor on ports, compression data show the loss of output even after we maintain correct woofer cone movement. Our observation from the data is 1db additional compression loss for every 5db spl increase until eventually the port wind noise takes over. So i expect to gain 1db more output just from lower port compression. So overall, it is 3db (updated value) more output.

For fv25, we expect 6db more output above 30hz. The enclosure size is reduced by 30% per driver, but we have 50% more power from amp. So in the end each driver in fv25 has approximately same output as fv15hp in the baseline comparison. But the number of ports (and port area) increases from 1 to 1.5 (per driver), therefore it cuts down the compression loss slightly.

One interesting information of fv15hp by data-bass is the 12.5hz max output from fv15hp in 1 port mode is not limited by the 2nd order or 3rd order harmonic distortion like in other tests. This means the amp output is not the limiting factor. Instead it is the upper band noise which is caused by port noise. So how can be reduce that upper band noise and allow for a higher output number with 2nd or 3rd order distortion becoming the limiting factor? First, 50% more port area per driver does help and second, we will use a bit more internal sound absorbing material. So that can give us up to 3db output improvement (or up to 9db total output as i referred early in this thread) at 12.5hz point.
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Sorry I should have been more specific in my post earlier. I am looking for pictures of the two subs side by side to get an idea of how much larger they will be.

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Sorry I should have been more specific in my post earlier. I am looking for pictures of the two subs side by side to get an idea of how much larger they will be.
Here is a Photoshop picture that Rythmik has on their Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/rythmikaudi...type=3&theater
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i know you told me you was using Acoustic Research PR153
can't get so you was give link for brand Mediabridge have you tested for quality sound BASS compare Acoustic Research PR153

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5m ~ 16.5 feet. Currently on Amazon, the longest Mediabridge Y subcable is 15ft. KableDirekt has a 20ft. Buy whatever one that is long enough for you. They are both excellent.
15ft = 4.5meter i think enough
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i know you told me you was using Acoustic Research PR153
can't get so you was give link for brand Mediabridge have you tested for quality sound BASS compare Acoustic Research PR153



15ft = 4.5meter i think enough
I use Acoustic Research, SVS soundpath, and Audioquest subwoofer cables throughout the house. The PR153 is the 25' Pro sub cable. The PR152 is 15'. The PR253 is still available Acoustic Research and is the most well made cable I have used. It is 25', has special locking RCA connectors, and is silver plated heavy guage copper. The MS252 is 15' but costs the same.

MS253 Audio RCA Mono Subwoofer Cable w/Y-Adaptor (25 feet) (Discontinued by Manufacturer) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00008VSM8/

I think I have a spare PR152 w/Y if you want to buy one used, like new.
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I picked up this audioquest sub cable on closeout/sale for 50 bucks

https://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-Ir...audioquest+sub

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i really need 5meter cable with y cable

you said Mediabridge didn't make a long Y sub cable

then what cable i must choose for y cable for FV15HP
Redco Audio will make any kind of cable you need. Last time I needed some other parts, I included a new set of subwoofer cables for my two LVX12s. Redco is easy to work with -- I recommend calling them and telling them about your application (the choices on the website can be overwhelming unless you know a whole lot about all the various cable options, because Redco carries hundreds of cables and terminations).

I wanted a very flexible cable -- most of the readymade cables are really stiff and won't lay flat. Since some of mine have to be visible, laying flat was a requirement for WAF. Redco's recommendation were a big improvement for me over the Mediabridge cables they replaced.
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you could use a short y cable on the output of your avr and then just run regular sub cables...couldnt you?

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Yes. Use something like this: https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=6261 and whatever mono RCA cable you need.

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Audioquest y adapter are $15-20. Great quality and just works. Look on Amazon. Get 1 female to 2 males. Than run 1 sub cable to sub. If you run more than two subs use 1 male to 2 females off avr. That'll run 4 subs. Which is the most I'd run off avr before you'll have limited voltage.

Look on Amazon. Better cables serpent is great y and so is audioquest.
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you could use a short y cable on the output of your avr and then just run regular sub cables...couldnt you?
You want the Y at the sub not the AVR (unless you need to split for multiple subs).
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I just got the Rhythmic FV15HP and it is unbelievable. Here is my review link:

Rythmik FV15HP is Unbelievable
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I just got the Rhythmic FV15HP and it is unbelievable. Here is my review link:

Rythmik FV15HP is Unbelievable
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I just got the Rhythmic FV15HP and it is unbelievable. Here is my review link:

Rythmik FV15HP is Unbelievable
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When will the LVX12 be back in stock?
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When will the LVX12 be back in stock?
I recently inquired and was told 3 months.
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I'm planning on building a DS1501 or DS1510 and have some questions.

First am I correct in assuming the DS1510 in a box built to the suggested specs on the website will be basically the same performance as the F15HP?

Second how much difference would there be between the DS1510 and DS1501 as far as spl and low end extension?

I understand that generally speaking higher power will give more dynamics, but I don't listen at high volumes (the highest I turn my volume to is -15 and usually its closer to -25 on my Denon AVR) but I am looking for low extension, I want to feel it! Would the 370 watt version have what I'm looking for, or is it worth the extra money for 230 more watts?

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Sorry for the delay. Between Easter week and moving to a new apartment, I wasn't able to be on top of this matter. So right now the FV18 is up. Brian is finishing the FV25. We will add the quick guide for the amplifiers and subwoofer pictures later.

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/FV18.html
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Sorry for the delay. Between Easter week and moving to a new apartment, I wasn't able to be on top of this matter. So right now the FV18 is up. Brian is finishing the FV25. We will add the quick guide for the amplifiers and subwoofer pictures later.

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/FV18.html
this may be a stupid question, but why isn't it called an fv18hp? what does the hp denote?

also, how well will this new 18 play with the existing ported 15's?

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this may be a stupid question, but why isn't it called an fv18hp? what does the hp denote?

also, how well will this new 18 play with the existing ported 15's?
HP means High Power. Two years ago, we used to offer the FV15 (with A370PEQ3 amp) and the FV15HP (with H600PEQ3 amp) so we put the HP on the 600 watts version to differentiate the two models. The FV18 only comes with one amp option (HX1000XLR3) so it does not make sense to put the HP on the model, same for the new F18, FV25 and F28 models.



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is it possible to order a sub with the amp on a specific side/not the back? or will that affect the design/performance?

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HP means High Power. Two years ago, we used to offer the FV15 (with A370PEQ3 amp) and the FV15HP (with H600PEQ3 amp) so we put the HP on the 600 watts version to differentiate the two models. The FV18 only comes with one amp option (HX1000XLR3) so it does not make sense to put the HP on the model, same for the new F18, FV25 and F28 models.
F18XHP, followed 5 years later by the F18XXHP, to later be eclipsed by the F18XXX, and finally the inevitable F18WTF?
You sure you don't want to let me name your models?
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is it possible to order a sub with the amp on a specific side/not the back? or will that affect the design/performance?
I suspect the answer from @Rythmik will be no as their cabinets are not built locally.

However, Jim Salk can build custom Rythmik subs: http://salksound.com/type.php?format=Subwoofer
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i found ebay Acoustic Research PR-152
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i already ordered
you is PR-153 i know PR-153 = 25 feet so PR-152 = 15 feet enough

can you check that box is Original ??
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this may be a stupid question, but why isn't it called an fv18hp? what does the hp denote?

also, how well will this new 18 play with the existing ported 15's?

I chose not to add FV18 as there is no lower power version of 18" driver. We do have lower power version 15" model (for F25/FVX15) and therefore we need to use "HP" on 15" models.


In terms of mixing FV18 with FV15HP, it is doable with one port FV15HP as the phase shift on those two models (one port FV15HP and two ports FV18) below 40hz is almost identical. You can use 14hz with a particular damping on FV15HP one port, and then use 12hz or 14hz on FV18 2 ports with same damping and no rumble filter. The other port combination is not recommended due to phase difference.
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Hows fv18 performance compare to jtr cap 1400 and psa v1801?
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Hows fv18 performance compare to jtr cap 1400 and psa v1801?

FV18 with two ports open is tuned to 12.5hz (which we call it 12hz) and I don't believe the other two models do that (that can be explained by the 12.5hz CEA-2010 number). It is important to get the port tuning frequency low because in ported sub, the outputs of port and woofer are out-of-phase below port tuning frequency and in-phase above port tuning frequency. One may wonder why a sudden change in phase? In fact in follows the T/S models. So below the tuning frequency, you may see a lot of cone movement, but less output. It is because it is output is nagated by the port output. The result is that it has a 24db/oct roll-off vs a 12db/oct roll-off of a sealed sub.


Based on databass data on JTR 1400, it will have about 1-2db more output than FV18 at 20hz. But since the tuning frequency of FV18 is set to 12hz, FV18 will be 4-5db higher than JTR 1400 at 12.5hz.
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^^ Hi Brian, is it safe to assume the FV18 FR will be +-3db between 12-200hz with LFE input? Thanks.
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FV18 with two ports open is tuned to 12.5hz (which we call it 12hz) and I don't believe the other two models do that (that can be explained by the 12.5hz CEA-2010 number). It is important to get the port tuning frequency low because in ported sub, the outputs of port and woofer are out-of-phase below port tuning frequency and in-phase above port tuning frequency. One may wonder why a sudden change in phase? In fact in follows the T/S models. So below the tuning frequency, you may see a lot of cone movement, but less output. It is because it is output is nagated by the port output. The result is that it has a 24db/oct roll-off vs a 12db/oct roll-off of a sealed sub.

Based on databass data on JTR 1400, it will have about 1-2db more output than FV18 at 20hz. But since the tuning frequency of FV18 is set to 12hz, FV18 will be 4-5db higher than JTR 1400 at 12.5hz.
Brian -- Thanks for the info you and Enrico have given us about the FV18. Could you or Enrico please post the FV18’s dimensions and an approximate date when production models will be available for shipping? Also, what would the price be for a pair of FV18s?

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^^ Not Brian or Enrico but the dimensions can be found on Rythmik website
http://www.rythmikaudio.com/FV18_specs.html
I believe the FV18 is ready to be shipped out now. With that being said, You want the FV25's for your room @gwsat

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We have a pair of FV18s in black oak ready to ship. Price for single unit is $1700 shipped and $$3230 for the pair. If somebody is interested, please send me an email to tech@rythmikaudio.com or to Brian at briand@rythmikaudio.com


We have more amps coming in the next two weeks for FV18s and FV25s.

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