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Personally, I think if you just get an AVR with Audyssey XT32 and Sub EQ HT you can ditch the MiniDSP and let Audyssey do its thing. It may not measure perfectly but it should sound great and be so much simpler.
While it may not make a big difference, most prefer feeding TT/MAs a signal that has not been processes by Audyssey. I feel that Audyssey is a step backwards from the MiniDSP.

I do subscribe to your logic though. My Yamaha RX-V3800's 2 sub PEQ filters were just not enough. Rather than but in a BFD or buy a MiniDSP I sold the Yamaha and bought a Denon X4000.

In my media room I run my MBMs and TTs on Sub2 of my AV7702mkII. This causes Audyssey not to EQ below ~50Hz, giving me a clean signal for my TTs which are running 10-45Hz.

I know with the app you can limit Audyssey's upper frequency but I don't know about the lower.
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3300 too?


Think it's all 2016 models


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Think it's all 2016 models


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Personally, I think if you just get an AVR with Audyssey XT32 and Sub EQ HT you can ditch the MiniDSP and let Audyssey do its thing. It may not measure perfectly but it should sound great and be so much simpler.
While it may not make a big difference, most prefer feeding TT/MAs a signal that has not been processes by Audyssey. I feel that Audyssey is a step backwards from the MiniDSP.

I do subscribe to your logic though. My Yamaha RX-V3800's 2 sub PEQ filters were just not enough. Rather than but in a BFD or buy a MiniDSP I sold the Yamaha and bought a Denon X4000.

In my media room I run my MBMs and TTs on Sub2 of my AV7702mkII. This causes Audyssey not to EQ below ~50Hz, giving me a clean signal for my TTs which are running 10-45Hz.

I know with the app you can limit Audyssey's upper frequency but I don't know about the lower.
Well, he still has the MiniDSP so he could try with and without it... but I think spending less time with REW and MiniDSP and more time enjoying the ht would be worth it. Running Audyssey is very simple but some of the more advanced/manual stuff is like going down the rabbit hole.
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If Rythmik introduced a model F22 to their product line, I would probably be one of their first customers to order a pair.
You and me too, brother.

Got these instead. I'm new to the Rythmik family and a happy customer.
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Skip the denon receivers people. It's not bad but so many better choices.

I'm trying to punt a denon x4200. Hopefully it sells soon or I'll be slashing price. Yamaha. Onkyo. Integra. Pioneer are all better choices.

Denon. Marantz. Anthem aren't bad. I'll do car analogies.

Integra r1- ford gt
Onkyo rz3100- chevy vette zo6
Pio 901- Mustang gt
Yamaha 3060- Shelby gt500
Denon 7200- Nissan Maxima
Marantz 7011- Toyota Camry
Anthem 1120- Honda Accord

Top 4 are way more fun with better performance but others turn on and get you to work.

I bet the average avs member keeps their avr for 1-3 years. Who cares about old reliable. Get something fun.
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Skip the denon receivers people. It's not bad but so many better choices.

I'm trying to punt a denon x4200. Hopefully it sells soon or I'll be slashing price. Yamaha. Onkyo. Integra. Pioneer are all better choices.

Denon. Marantz. Anthem aren't bad. I'll do car analogies.

Integra r1- ford gt
Onkyo rz3100- chevy vette zo6
Pio 901- Mustang gt
Yamaha 3060- Shelby gt500
Denon 7200- Nissan Maxima
Marantz 7011- Toyota Camry
Anthem 1120- Honda Accord

Top 4 are way more fun with better performance but others turn on and get you to work.

I bet the average avs member keeps their avr for 1-3 years. Who cares about old reliable. Get something fun.
Not sure what you mean. Maybe something more specific would help.
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I actually haven't tried that yet. But I will give it a shot tonight. Do you remember if the other person said why the miniDSP was causing the issue? In his case I wonder if it was just a ground loop or the likes, which I get a minimum amount of only when I plug in my PC to the USB of the miniDSP. However if I do this I obviously lose my PEQ filters and nice response. But as a test it can't hurt.

I'll say this once more. The dark knight sounds much better than mad max did for some reason. I'm seriously just wondering if mad max has a lot of low rumble in the mix which I took as "boominess". Anyone else whose watched it, do you remember there being a lot of constant low rumbling?
@citsur86 have you tried using the line in instead of the lfe inputs? i've read that people have had different success rates using one vs the other. fwiw i use line in.

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Denon and marantz are duller less exciting and way low on power. Kinda laughable spending 2000-2500$ on a 30lb receiver.

Denon are fine for some setups just never a great reason to buy one. Kinda like buying a svs sub. Why would you if there's better options??? Svs aren't horrible just not even close to the best.

I feel same way about denon and marantz
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3300 too?
I have the Denon AVR-X3300W. It will get the DV update as all the 2016 models will. I have it paired with Monitor Audio Gold GX100 speakers front and rear with a Gold GXC150 enter Channel Speaker and a Rythmik F12SE Subwoofer. Now this is for my computer setup and the combo is great. The Denon blows away a previous Onkyo in terms of sound quality. The current Onkyo's have been cheapened out versus the model I had. I would not buy Onkyo or Integra. At least with revealing speakers they sound dull and harsh compared to the Denon. Now I had an Integra DHC-80.3 preamp that I traded in for a Marantz AV8802A preamplifier with a Sunfire TGA-7401 7 channel amplifier and Front/Rear Monitor Audio Gold GX100 Towers with a Gold GXC350 center and a Velodyne F-1800R II Subwoofer that will hopefully get replaced this year by a future Rythmik F18 subwoofer. The Marantz is in a different league from the Integra. I will not go back to Onkyo/Integra again. Since being purchased by Gibson guitars the quality has gone down, the features and sound quality cheapened out. Other than Denon & Marantz I would consider Yamaha.
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Skip the denon receivers people. It's not bad but so many better choices.

I'm trying to punt a denon x4200. Hopefully it sells soon or I'll be slashing price. Yamaha. Onkyo. Integra. Pioneer are all better choices.

Denon. Marantz. Anthem aren't bad. I'll do car analogies.

Integra r1- ford gt
Onkyo rz3100- chevy vette zo6
Pio 901- Mustang gt
Yamaha 3060- Shelby gt500
Denon 7200- Nissan Maxima
Marantz 7011- Toyota Camry
Anthem 1120- Honda Accord

Top 4 are way more fun with better performance but others turn on and get you to work.

I bet the average avs member keeps their avr for 1-3 years. Who cares about old reliable. Get something fun.
Your car analogy is way off.

Integra R1 would be a Ford Fiesta SE, no thanks.
Onkyo a Chevy Spark
Marantz preamplifier is a Lexus LFA, made in Japan.
Denon is a Toyota Supra.
Yamaha is a Nissan GT-R
Pioneer is becoming part of the Onkyo group so who knows where that will be.

No american muscle here as they are all built outside of the USA.

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i like onkyo for music...better than yamaha/marantz which i also own. my onkyo is flaky with hdmi video so i dont use in main room

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Not really a receiver thread but you actually got it all backwards. Denon and marantz was buy huge company called dei. They are the cheaper ones. The ruined Polk. Boston and now definitive. They will do same thing to denon and marantz.

Onkyo/integra/pio are far superior in every way. I've had marantz and denon highest products and they sound fine but they sound like a receiver. An average one. Marantz preamps are so overpriced. For that price you could get a real preamp.

Yes Yamaha is also good and easily is better than a marantz. The marantz 7011 is $2000 and it's about as good as a $500 marantz or denon from 2005-2008 era.

Just not sure why people push denon and marantz so hard. Like I said they aren't bad but have gotten so cheap. People that are newer to this hobby buy them because people recommend them. So they'll spend $1500-2000 until one day they'll hear an actual good avr and wonder what they have missed for last 2-3 years.

People should buy a few different brands on a credit card and try them out.

Every year I buy 4-5 high end receivers. Keep the winner and return the rest. Denon or marantz hasn't won in my house since denon 5308. I do keep a few of the older models around in my house. Have 7 systems so I have a lot of moving parts.

Onkyo/integra had been the winner last 2 years. Yamaha a close second. My main rooms are integra r1 and Yamaha 3060. Music room krell illusion/ krell duo300. Bunch of Yamaha. Pioneer. Onkyo. Integra. Denon. Marantz. Everywhere else.
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My old Onkyo TX-NR-705 was good, but my Denon AVR-X3300W is gooder. Paired to the same Monitor Audio bookshelf speakers the Denon was much better balanced and detailed. Oh and I do use the Audyssey MultiEQ XT32. No dynamic EQ or volume, I run the flat Audyssey curve. Adding the Rythmik F12SE made the combo even better. My Marantz preamplifier / Sunfire amplifier combo is even better with the Monitor Audio towers. Onkyo just isn't what it used to be and I owned many Onkyo & Integra products in the past. So now back to our regularly scheduled Subwoofing talk already in progress...
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Not really a receiver thread but you actually got it all backwards. Denon and marantz was buy huge company called dei. They are the cheaper ones. The ruined Polk. Boston and now definitive. They will do same thing to denon and marantz.

Onkyo/integra/pio are far superior in every way. I've had marantz and denon highest products and they sound fine but they sound like a receiver. An average one. Marantz preamps are so overpriced. For that price you could get a real preamp.

Yes Yamaha is also good and easily is better than a marantz. The marantz 7011 is $2000 and it's about as good as a $500 marantz or denon from 2005-2008 era.

Just not sure why people push denon and marantz so hard. Like I said they aren't bad but have gotten so cheap. People that are newer to this hobby buy them because people recommend them. So they'll spend $1500-2000 until one day they'll hear an actual good avr and wonder what they have missed for last 2-3 years.

People should buy a few different brands on a credit card and try them out.

Every year I buy 4-5 high end receivers. Keep the winner and return the rest. Denon or marantz hasn't won in my house since denon 5308. I do keep a few of the older models around in my house. Have 7 systems so I have a lot of moving parts.

Onkyo/integra had been the winner last 2 years. Yamaha a close second. My main rooms are integra r1 and Yamaha 3060. Music room krell illusion/ krell duo300. Bunch of Yamaha. Pioneer. Onkyo. Integra. Denon. Marantz. Everywhere else.
Not quite...
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...300415537.html

VISTA, Calif., March 1, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- Sound United LLC, parent company to Polk Audio, Definitive Technology, and Polk BOOM, today announced it has completed the acquisition of the D+M Group, owner of the Denon, HEOS by Denon, Marantz, and Boston Acoustics brands. The D+M Group is the largest supplier of audio/video receivers worldwide and a leader in wireless multi-room audio. Sound United is the largest supplier of loudspeakers in North America and a leading supplier of sound bars and wireless music systems. The combined company will be known as Sound United, which will own and operate some of the most prestigious brands in the consumer audio space, providing synergy opportunities for the existing core businesses, while also unlocking the potential to expand the product portfolio and market reach. The sale was finalized on February 28, 2017 and the terms of the sale were not disclosed.

Correction on my part, Gibson purchased a minority stake, but things still changed with Gibson in the picture...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibson_Guitar_Corporation

In addition to guitars, Gibson offers consumer electronics through its subsidiaries Gibson Innovations (Philips brand), TEAC Corporation (Teac and Esoteric brands), Onkyo Corporation (Onkyo and Pioneer brands), Cerwin Vega and Stanton,[6] as well as professional audio equipment from KRK Systems also pianos from their wholly owned subsidiary Baldwin Piano and music software from Cakewalk.
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My old Onkyo TX-NR-705 was good, but my Denon AVR-X3300W is gooder. Paired to the same Monitor Audio bookshelf speakers the Denon was much better balanced and detailed. Oh and I do use the Audyssey MultiEQ XT32. No dynamic EQ or volume, I run the flat Audyssey curve. Adding the Rythmik F12SE made the combo even better. My Marantz preamplifier / Sunfire amplifier combo is even better with the Monitor Audio towers. Onkyo just isn't what it used to be and I owned many Onkyo & Integra products in the past. So now back to our regularly scheduled Subwoofing talk already in progress...
Toyota. Lexus. Nissan. Lmao.

Just saw your last couple posts. Of course you would like those horrible companies. Good luck with that!

Denon 3300 is a good $400-500 avr at best

Toyota Supra are overpriced pos too.

Now back to Rythmik.
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All those companies have something in common. They are all trending down.

Polk. Boston. Definitive. Denon. Marantz
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Toyota. Lexus. Nissan. Lmao.

Just saw your last couple posts. Of course you would like those horrible companies. Good luck with that!

Denon 3300 is a good $400-500 avr at best

Toyota Supra are overpriced pos too.

Now back to Rythmik.
I used the brands you used in your analogy with a slight twist. Since Denon & Marantz are joined at the hip, so is Toyota & Lexus, so I added Lexus to that list. You used a Maxima, I changed it to a GT-R. Toyota Supra hasn't been sold in the USA since 1998. It wasn't and still isn't a POS. It's way better than a Camry. I happen to like Shelby GT500's and Corvette Z06's but since none of the brands were american I deleted them for the american economy cars I thought better represented them. Sound United is not responsible for "ruining" Denon and Marantz yet as they just acquired them. We will see if that is the case come 2018, etc.. D&M are resposible for the current product lines. Polk & Definitive ruined themselves and got bought by Sound United who didn't help in my opinion.

You have taken this a bit to personally, I didn't attack you or insinuate anything on you like you did. You prefer Onkyo / Integra. That's great! I prefer Denon & Marantz right now. That's also great! It's an opinion. My ears say Onkyo & Integra do not sound as good as past products. This comes from a long time Onkyo / Integra owner, who bought Onkyo / Integra over Denon & Marantz in the past. The recent models of both groups changed to me. You feel opposite. That's fine, it's an opinion, not fact on both of us. So please chill, it was a joke. I thought Californian's were more mellow, especially now with all the legal herbal remedies.
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@Timothy1180 you are quite opinionated! While I do not agree (we all have our own preferences and biases) I find your posts entertaining. I am surprised you think so poorly of Anthem. I consider them a tier above these consumer brands.

I own both Yamaha and D+M. Here are my preferences.

1 Denon + Marantz
2 Yamaha
3 Pioneer
3.5 Onkyo
5 Sony

D+M have been the leaders since Atmos was released. The rest in the list above are all followers.

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@Timothy1180 you are quite opinionated! While I do not agree (we all have our own preferences and biases) I find your posts entertaining. I am surprised you think so poorly of Anthem. I consider them a tier above these consumer brands.

I own both Yamaha and D+M. Here are my preferences.

1 Denon + Marantz
2 Yamaha
3 Pioneer
3.5 Onkyo
5 Sony

D+M have been the leaders since Atmos was released. The rest in the list above are all followers.

Puff, Puff, give!
I'm totally chill. In my pool drinking a corona. Totally good. I wasn't upset or worked up at all. I owned car dealership and was a gsm a bunch. Just makes me laugh how people like car companies like Honda. Toyota. Lexus. Nissan. Acura.

I understand what your theory was by country. Ford Fiesta. Lol cheap little car.

I sold Supras. They were slow bad handling cars. Rx7 now that way better. Lol.

I have two race cars. Ones a 2002 camaro. 1800hp drag car. Really not a camaro anymore. Lol

Other is a 2004 rx8 track car. Just a measly triple rotor 14k redline 600hp 2400lb car. It does ok. Lol

Daily driver is a Shelby gt350 or Dodge Charger scat. Wife gets the navigator. Kids have focus and edge. Ford makes great cars!

If I got aggressive I apologize. Just not a denon/marantz guy. Like I said their not horrible just not my style. I like a more detailed clinical sound. Which I need to keep up with my soon to be 6 fv15hp. Denon doesn't have the highs to keep up.
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As a subwoofer company, we want to maintain our focus on subwoofers only. Subwoofer design, done in the right way, takes a lot of time.
I consider the Rythmik F25 sub to be an absolutely GREAT bang-for-the-buck bargain. I'd like to own a PAIR of them, but I realize that two F25s just won't fit inside my home. It started me thinking about a 12" version of the F25 -- an "F22" subwoofer. It would be similar to the L22 model -- a sub with dual front-facing 12" drivers -- but instead of paper cones it would utilize Rythmik's 12" aluminum drivers, along with more powerful amplification, in a compact upright enclosure that features a small footprint. Has Rythmik ever made plans to add an F22 subwoofer to their product line? It would be an excellent sub (with high Spouse Approval Factor as an added benefit).

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I actually have not. Guess I could give this a try and see how I like the sound.
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i'm going to venture a guess as to why that may be. i think that most people don't really push their system, and/or don't want/need to. some of us want the absolute most that it has to offer though (guilty!). the fv15hp just can't move the air out fast enough at the super low end @ high volumes. if it's covered up by the movie or music you're listening to it's a non-issue, however it's quite disheartening to hear it in a movie when everything quiets down and then the bass drops (think tron legacy when the main character is transported to the grid). it's a quiet scene, the aperture turns on, he's transported, and then there's nothing but a few seconds of super low end frequency which will 100% give you the chuffing with these subs in 1 port mode--2 port mode can't really reproduce the bass in that scene correctly.

i consume a lot of media and while the above is a legitimate issue, it really doesn't happen that often.

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Question: If you are pushing the limits of the subs would it not be better to run the FV15HP in 2 port mode? So whilst it won't play all the <15hz content in those (occasional) scenes that cause chuffing, what it does play would be clean. As you said, hearing subs chuffing away during a movie can be disheartening, it also snaps you out of the "moment" when watching a movie as you start concentrating on the sub instead what's happening on screen

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Great post!
Question: If you are pushing the limits of the subs would it not be better to run the FV15HP in 2 port mode? So whilst it won't play all the <15hz content in those (occasional) scenes that cause chuffing, what it does play would be clean. As you said, hearing subs chuffing away during a movie can be disheartening, it also snaps you out of the "moment" when watching a movie as you start concentrating on the sub instead what's happening on screen


I actually flipped mine over to 2 port 14hz and mid last night. Will get some watching on it tonight hopefully.
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I actually flipped mine over to 2 port 14hz and mid last night. Will get some watching on it tonight hopefully.

Awesome! looking forward to hearing your thoughts?


I really wish Rythmik was more affordable over here in Australia, I'd almost certainly have gone for the FV15HP's


We were previously discussing the infamous "WWZ - hand grenade scene", yesterday I took it to -5dB (with subs +6dB over Audyssey Cal) - so LFE was 1dB over reference level. At this point I was still not getting any chuffing, but the windows were vibrating so hard I called it quits there. Also the Mrs told me to "Ease up". This is about as loud as I'd play this scene in my room. I played the John Wick "Club scene" directly after that - also at -5dB from Ref /subs +6dB hot - and this was a much,much more enjoyable experience! Heaps of chest slam and heavy bass with just a small amount of window/wall vibrating

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Well, he still has the MiniDSP so he could try with and without it... but I think spending less time with REW and MiniDSP and more time enjoying the ht would be worth it. Running Audyssey is very simple but some of the more advanced/manual stuff is like going down the rabbit hole.
It's funny, whenever I get a new component, I do go a bit crazy trying to dial it in perfectly. I think I have fear of missing out (FOMO) when it comes to this stuff. A lot of people say that if it sounds good to me, then its good - and I agree with that to an extent. But I also thought my Yamaha $400 Home theater in a box back in 2005 was the best thing ever made - then I heard real speakers in a real setup. I have this picture in my head of me sitting there watching a movie with a big grin on my face, in my ignorant bliss, and then a sound engineer or calibrator walks in and tells me I have everything setup wrong and it sounds like crap! I really am considering having a calibration company come out - not necessarily to calibrate, more instead to just listen to what I've done, and tell me if I've got it calibrated to "best possible" in my room with my limitations.

On another note - I somewhat enjoy the process of REW, miniDSP, my most recent learnings of Gain Structure, etc. Especially when I can get something looking good. It is definitely disheartening to get a consistent line on the target curve measured out only to listen and find the undesirable sounds coming through. My striving for Auyssey is just as much about wanting a better EQ system for my other, non-sub, speakers, as it is for the subs. Probably more-so in that direction seeing as I have the miniDSP 2x4-HD doing the sub calibration. I'm about 80% confident that the boominess, or any other issues I hear is due to standing waves and other room created issues in the output.

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Awesome! looking forward to hearing your thoughts?


I really wish Rythmik was more affordable over here in Australia, I'd almost certainly have gone for the FV15HP's


We were previously discussing the infamous "WWZ - hand grenade scene", yesterday I took it to -5dB (with subs +6dB over Audyssey Cal) - so LFE was 1dB over reference level. At this point I was still not getting any chuffing, but the windows were vibrating so hard I called it quits there. Also the Mrs told me to "Ease up". This is about as loud as I'd play this scene in my room. I played the John Wick "Club scene" directly after that - also at -5dB from Ref /subs +6dB hot - and this was a much,much more enjoyable experience! Heaps of chest slam and heavy bass with just a small amount of window/wall vibrating
Will definitely give my feedback! Buying John Wick on bluray at best buy at lunch today to watch tomorrow!
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I personally believe the simplest approach that works is best. For example, I would rather have a 5.1 to 7.2 setup that works very well than have a ton of subs, tactile transducers, mid bass modules, etc. that add a lot of complexity to optimize and are not necessarily much better than 1 or 2 subs that are really good and set up very well.

And with speakers, 5 to 7 really good ones would be preferable to 11 okay ones, especially the upfiring atmos modules.

I know a lot here at AVS go crazy with the numbers of subs and dB's and tactile response but it is my personal opinion that you can get plenty of output and tactile response from a ordinary setup with 1-2 subs vs. lining the walls with as much woofage as possible.

Less is more, especially if it means optimizing things is much simpler and easier.

(Plus, even if you have a massive room, I really doubt more than 2 FV25HP's would be necessary.)

BTW, this post is not directed at anyone in particular, just sharing my opinion on ht setups and bass.

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It's funny, whenever I get a new component, I do go a bit crazy trying to dial it in perfectly. I think I have fear of missing out (FOMO) when it comes to this stuff. A lot of people say that if it sounds good to me, then its good - and I agree with that to an extent. But I also thought my Yamaha $400 Home theater in a box back in 2005 was the best thing ever made - then I heard real speakers in a real setup. I have this picture in my head of me sitting there watching a movie with a big grin on my face, in my ignorant bliss, and then a sound engineer or calibrator walks in and tells me I have everything setup wrong and it sounds like crap! I really am considering having a calibration company come out - not necessarily to calibrate, more instead to just listen to what I've done, and tell me if I've got it calibrated to "best possible" in my room with my limitations.

On another note - I somewhat enjoy the process of REW, miniDSP, my most recent learnings of Gain Structure, etc. Especially when I can get something looking good. It is definitely disheartening to get a consistent line on the target curve measured out only to listen and find the undesirable sounds coming through. My striving for Auyssey is just as much about wanting a better EQ system for my other, non-sub, speakers, as it is for the subs. Probably more-so in that direction seeing as I have the miniDSP 2x4-HD doing the sub calibration. I'm about 80% confident that the boominess, or any other issues I hear is due to standing waves and other room created issues in the output.



Will definitely give my feedback! Buying John Wick on bluray at best buy at lunch today to watch tomorrow!
I get what you're saying but I think getting a new AVR (Denon or Marantz) would make setup much easier and then you can still refine with the MiniDSP if needed. Plus, it would really help your speakers since the MiniDSP isn't touching them and MCACC isn't close to XT32, especially below Schroeder frequency.

I do agree that your room/setup might produce some limitations you can't reasonably fix, but I do think getting gain structure right, as well as not overdoing sub PEQ and/or house curves will help considerably. Also, don't run subs too hot and try to avoid putting sub all the way in corner/near wall (allow 1-2ft of breathing room to clean up the bass).

Also, remember that if you do a full range measure of CC+sub right after running MCACC, you'll find the bass is already hotter than the midrange (1kHz region or so). So, you might be adding 6-10dB after MCACC but it may already be 6dB hot or whatever so 6+6-10=12-16dB hot. Running it too hot can make it sound bad/unbalanced and will push your subs harder, likely making worse port noises.

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Awesome! looking forward to hearing your thoughts?


I really wish Rythmik was more affordable over here in Australia, I'd almost certainly have gone for the FV15HP's


We were previously discussing the infamous "WWZ - hand grenade scene", yesterday I took it to -5dB (with subs +6dB over Audyssey Cal) - so LFE was 1dB over reference level. At this point I was still not getting any chuffing, but the windows were vibrating so hard I called it quits there. Also the Mrs told me to "Ease up". This is about as loud as I'd play this scene in my room. I played the John Wick "Club scene" directly after that - also at -5dB from Ref /subs +6dB hot - and this was a much,much more enjoyable experience! Heaps of chest slam and heavy bass with just a small amount of window/wall vibrating
difference between loud ulf and loud midbass?

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