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I don't have any clipping happening in the subwoofers. With these levels at 0, during normal listening volume the FV15HPs are getting about .4V only. Like this, they get 1V normal listening volume and about 2V at reference. My understanding was that ideal setting for them was to get between 1-4V. That is one of the main reasons I did this. I have the volume knob much lower on the Rythmiks now with the input voltage higher than it used to be. The knobs are about 10 o'clock now - whereas before with the .4V to .9V (with miniDSP 2x4-HD gain at 0), I had the FV15HP volume knobs at 3-4 oclock.



Understood - was actually going to start a new thread specifically related to Gain Structure and my unusual situation. My hopeful answer to all this mess is simply that the VSX-44 has low pre-amp output voltage.
I still think splitting the difference would be better... whatever gets the gain knob around 12 o'clock.

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Thanks for adding that. I'm glad to hear you really like your PSAs. I don't want others to get the impression that I think PSA or JTR make speakers that only play loud and do nothing else well. I haven't heard either of them so I can't speak to anything other than just the basic design of the speaker. My main point that I was trying to get across is that most of us can probably put much less attention on sensitivity and thereby giving us many more options for speakers. That's not to say that sensitivity is not important, especially when one has a very large room and/or sits very far away from the speakers. But, for me (since I have a small room) sensitivity is toward the bottom of my list in terms of what is important. Towards the top of my list are things like accuracy (in terms of one axis frequency response), transient response, wide horizontal dispersion, good looks, etc. The more things I add to this list the smaller my pool of speakers to pick from becomes and often the more money I might have to spend.


Agree, it's a very personal choice, especially when it comes to speakers more so than subs.


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I see - this also makes me wonder if the 2x4 HD is then clipping the output since I have them turned up to +12db on all outputs. However, when I measured with AVR at MV and subwoofer channel level 0, the miniDSP 2x4-HD output was still only generating about 1.9V out. It is rated for 2V max output, so I guess I am good there. I also looked at the output meters in the 2x4 software while running bass heavy scenes at reference and they never came close to clipping - hit the yellow a couple times but mostly played in the upper green area. The highest they got was about here, and that was at the peak moments.
Is the spec. 2V peak or 2V RMS. What are you using to measure it? When you are measuring 1.9 volts how are you measuring it??? If you're using an oscilloscope then you should be able to determine if its under the 2 V spec., either peak or RMS. If you're measuring 1.9 volts with a voltmeter then I suspect the peaks may well be over a 2 V peak spec.

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Is the spec. 2V peak or 2V RMS. What are you using to measure it? When you are measuring 1.9 volts how are you measuring it??? If you're using an oscilloscope then you should be able to determine if its under the 2 V spec., either peak or RMS. If you're measuring 1.9 volts with a voltmeter then I suspect the peaks may well be over a 2 V peak spec.
I'm measuring using a voltemeter.

The 1.9V was from a 60Hz tone with REW outputting at max (-3db) and on ch4 (so extra 10db) and AVR at reference MV. I also tested with same volumes having actual, bass heavy content playing, and checked that along the whole signal chain, no inputs, outputs, or speakers were clipping.

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Max Input = 2V or 4V (jumper -selectable) - I'm using 2V
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I actually chatted with a Parts-Express technical resource today and explained my entire Gain Structure, measurements taken under different conditions, etc. and according to the guy I spoke to, he believes I am properly setup and should be getting the cleanest and most distortion free audio from my subs and tactiles.
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Does that mean we can possibly expect your full review/report in a month?

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I think you may get more assistance with this in the MiniDSP or REW thread or even create a new one. I understand this stuff to a certain degree but I have been into audio only for 2-3 years so, I still have a lot left to learn.
I have been into audio for more than 50 years but, based on your posts I have seen, I still have a lot more to learn than you do. So there's that. More seriously, I know that you were talking about audio's technical aspects and I didn't become even semi-serious about that until the last few months.

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@gwsat what are the current settings on your FV18s? I finally have some time to do some serious listening/testing.
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@gwsat what are the current settings on your FV18s? I finally have some time to do some serious listening/testing.
Marc -- Volume is at 50 percent, one port is closed, tuning frequency is 12Hz, Rumble Filter is ON, Damping is HI. Good luck! Settings are identical on both FV18s. Please let us know your impressions when you have reached some conclusions.

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Just watched the grenade scene from WWZ at -10 on the volume, one port low dampening, both subs 6db hot and no chuffing. That's typically the loudest I listen at sometimes I will crank it to -7.5, but I value my hearing.
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in my space of 50x30x14 1 15hp doesnt cut it...i add my 2 velodyne subs and its good enough...everyone different in wants/needs...rhythmik subs sound good w/music so i am happy

i will just add that my big open space requires alot of power/capability with speakers...subs included.

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Just watched the grenade scene from WWZ at -10 on the volume, one port low dampening, both subs 6db hot and no chuffing. That's typically the loudest I listen at sometimes I will crank it to -7.5, but I value my hearing.
I remember Brian posting somewhere that using low damping for high spl can reduce bad noises in ulf heavy scenes vs. high damping. I think it was because 1 port 14Hz high damping on the FV15HP is alot like a sealed sub response and to have a ported Rythmik play high spl down very low, high damping is significantly more demanding than low damping.

And now Marc was mentioning the FV18 has a ideal transfer function with 3 ports 14Hz mid damping which I'm assuming is related to the above.
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in my opinion high damping isnt as good as low...just adding more eq to a system

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My opinion is the opposite but it is a matter of what you like to hear. At least with Rythmik you have choices. A mixed blessing.

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well i will just add today after 2 hrs of random steely dan i had great tactile feel, but thin bass. maybe my ears, who knows...1 sub big area

going on 4 hrs at 0mv

yea im ready to turn it down now kinda :P

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Think I had a breakthrough with the subs tonight. I plugged both line in slots in both subs and set crossover on sub to 60hz (AVR set to 80hz for tactiles sake). I read the crossover can cause boominess. Made it a bit better but boominess was still there. Then I figured I'd try to set phase to 180. Eureka! I guess the VSX-44 was setting phase the wrong way because after doing that the loud muffled boominess is all but gone! I'm left with the clean punchy articulate rumble bass. Will have to watch more content but I can already tell it's much improved.
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Did you check polarity on the subwoofers? Read Step 6, page 17 of miniDSP 2x4 setup guide by Austin Jerry. Most likely you have to invert polarity in one of the subwoofers.



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Did you check polarity on the subwoofers? Read Step 6, page 17 of miniDSP 2x4 setup guide by Austin Jerry. Most likely you have to invert polarity in one of the subwoofers.


Well they are stacked on top of one another. Think they could need different polarity when stacked?
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So, I am changing out some of my HT audio gear, and I just got a new Yamaha A3060 in and setup. YPAO and the menu's were a bit of a pain seeing as I never owned one, but once I ran it all, figured out all the settings, and checked levels, it sounds pretty dang good running sound to my dual FV15HP's along with two RF7II's and a RC64II. Its been a long time since I demoed some of my favorites scenes on Bayformers 1 at reference level, so I figured what the hell.

Lets just say it sounded real good, and as always the spot when Hound flips over the lady in the street and there is this big bass drop did not fail to impress. The FV15HP's were setup with 2 ports open, rumble filter 2, 14hz and low damping for YPAO, I then only flipped over to damping mid. On that scene I hit 115.1 dB's, and on the armored car chase seen from The Dark Knight, it maxed at 113.1 dB's



Dont ever doubt what dual FV15HP's can do.
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So, I am changing out some of my HT audio gear, and I just got a new Yamaha A3060 in and setup. YPAO and the menu's were a bit of a pain seeing as I never owned one, but once I ran it all, figured out all the settings, and checked levels, it sounds pretty dang good running sound to my dual FV15HP's along with two RF7II's and a RC64II. Its been a long time since I demoed some of my favorites scenes on Bayformers 1 at reference level, so I figured what the hell.

Lets just say it sounded real good, and as always the spot when Hound flips over the lady in the street and there is this big bass drop did not fail to impress. The FV15HP's were setup with 2 ports open, rumble filter 2, 14hz and low damping for YPAO, I then only flipped over to damping mid. On that scene I hit 115.1 dB's, and on the armored car chase seen from The Dark Knight, it maxed at 113.1 dB's

Dont ever doubt what dual FV15HP's can do.
Thanks for reminding me of how great the LFE is in The Dark Knight. Believe it or not, I have not played it again since I got my FV18s setup. That's a failing that I'll remedy soon. Am pretty sure you will keep on enjoying your 3060. I have had mine since July and it has been a joy.
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Thanks for reminding me of how great the LFE is in The Dark Knight. Believe it or not, I have not played it again since I got my FV18s setup. That's a failing that I'll remedy soon. Am pretty sure you will keep on enjoying your 3060. I have had mine since July and it has been a joy.


I think the Dark Knight has one of the best LFE tracks of any movie. After the Pens/Senators game I may pop in A New Hope to celebrate the 40 year anniversary
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I'll get this back on track. I'll have 4 more fv15hp this weekend. So grand total of 6

WOW! Will certainly be an absolute killer system!

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difference between loud ulf and loud midbass?
Well I think the Club scene in John Wick has plenty of both mid-bass and low-bass, so the 40-100hz probably masks some of the "room noises" - whereas the WWZ hand grenade scene sounds essentially like a 40hz - 10hz sine wave drop so, at least in my house, there is tonnes of audible window/wall/light fixture vibrations.

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i wonder why not someone start a new thread for fv18 and fv25..
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I'll get this back on track. I'll have 4 more fv15hp this weekend. So grand total of 6
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i wonder why not someone start a new thread for fv18 and fv25..
because this is the rythmik thread and they are both rythmik subwoofers. it makes no sense to star a whole new thread for those specific subwoofers.
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It's a curse and a blessing at same time.
i can't tell you how much i'd love to hear my subs x3. why can't you be in new york?

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