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That device is called a 'crossover'.

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So, you're saying this isn't a bad idea? Can you recommend a crossover that would work for this application? I'm finding a lot of full range xovers and car stuff.

In general, would this type of sealed sub be good for mid bass slam (understanding that nobody has heard it yet)



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If you're looking for mid-bass slam, why not add a mid-bass specialist like an HSU MBM-12.
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/mbm-12mk2.html
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If you're looking for mid-bass slam, why not add a mid-bass specialist like an HSU MBM-12.
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/mbm-12mk2.html

yup. seems like a waste to use an expensive subwoofer as a mid-bass module when something like the HSU mbm12 or the JTR growler are designed specifically for that job and might offer more mid-bass "punch"

http://jtrspeakers.com/install/growler/

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yup. seems like a waste to use an expensive subwoofer as a mid-bass module when something like the HSU mbm12 or the JTR growler are designed specifically for that job and might offer more mid-bass "punch"

http://jtrspeakers.com/install/growler/

thanks Mojomike and otk. I appreciate the advice. I'm going to have to do some more research on the MBM. I've seen a lot of people trying to sell them, makes me nervous that it isn't powerful enough.

Still no update from SVS. We're officially past any end of week that could be possible.


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Because the MBM-12 doesn't have to reproduce much bass below 50hz, it was made to be very efficient at high output in the range that it is made for. It is capable of very high output in the 50-150hz range. I'd suggest two if you were going to use it much above 80-100hz so you can place them near the main speakes to avoid bass localization.
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thanks Mojomike and otk. I appreciate the advice. I'm going to have to do some more research on the MBM. I've seen a lot of people trying to sell them, makes me nervous that it isn't powerful enough.

Still no update from SVS. We're officially past any end of week that could be possible.

They are plenty powerful enough. It takes very litte effort to produce midbass. The lower octaves are where the horsepower and excursion really ramp up.

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Maybe SVS is still busy with their R&D for the coming SB series. No news as yet. Hopefully, there will be some news in these few days.

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I'm sure the new SVS sealed subs will sound great, but I'm skeptical as to how well they will hold up from a bang-for-the buck standpoint vs. the competitors. Unless they are truly amazing, they may not present as great values. Time will tell...
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Agree on the bang for the buck concern, the eD A7S - 450 seems like a more powerful sub (than all the SVS subs) for a lot less. Too bad the black is so ugly.


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Where is the info on these things -- possibly they are still in R&D -- but it seems many are growing impatient on waiting on these. Not to mention the pricing came out on the higher end of what was expected. I'm tired of being sub-less and might have to look else where with no new info on the horizon as was supposed to be the case over a week ago....

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I'm sure the new SVS sealed subs will sound great, but I'm skeptical as to how well they will hold up from a bang-for-the buck standpoint vs. the competitors. Unless they are truly amazing, they may not present as great values. Time will tell...

I guess the question these days is, how does one determine if the sub is "truly amazing" as no one is performing the old measurements. I'm sure it will get raving reviews, but without the Illka tests (or tests similar to Ed's testing at Secrets before he left) we are left somewhat in the dark. Maybe JEJ will get one at Secrets and at least put it through his usual in room tests.

Agreed though, the pricing is a departure from their usual bang for the buck pricing and more in line with what one can get the F113/Sub 15 B&M subs for. Unfortunately I think by taking on all the additional products (which won't sell as well as their subs which they are known for) is increasing the costs of their subs, simply due to the need to pay for the R&D on the other products.

However, I'm betting the subs will be at the top of the list for subs in that size enclosure, taking into account the DSP and fit/finish.

 

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$2700 US plus tax and shipping then if u want piano blk thats another ??? at least $3500at that price point your looking at getting a submersive or a sub25.

In canadian funds it will surly be at least $3000 for the standard finish, of course i would want piano blk. Unfortunatly i cannot wait till the end of the year too buy a sub.

PB13 Ultra Piano blk $1799 US
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So for sure at least $3000 plus tax and shipping in canadian funds. And then i july we have this ******** new tax which everything is going to cost more now HST tax.

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I have an idea, Why not wait until they are released and measured/tested until they are compared to other subs, subjectively as well.

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I have an idea, Why not wait until they are released and measured/tested until they are compared to other subs, subjectively as well.

Because speculation is more fun!

To be fair though, we are comparing the specs, there's nothing more we can do.
By the numbers:
SVS SB16-Ultra $2,699(estimate)
Sealed, Front-Firing
16" driver
1200w DSP amp

eD A7S-450 $850 (free shipping)
Sealed, Front-Firing
18" driver
1300w amp

Of course YMMV in your particular listening room. And at the price, and assuming the space for, why not get 3 eD's for $2,400 shipped?

Is this not a fair comparison of what is known?


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you make a decent point, jhgkak. for the same price 3 A7S-450's will be VERY difficult for any single sealed 16" to beat. Only time will tell what svs' offering will perform like. I'm sure they took into account the pricing/performance of the A7S-450 when making/pricing their 16" sealed ultra as ED is one of their primary competitors.
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you make a decent point, jhgkak. for the same price 3 A7S-450's will be VERY difficult for any single sealed 16" to beat. Only time will tell what svs' offering will perform like. I'm sure they took into account the pricing/performance of the A7S-450 when making/pricing their 16" sealed ultra as ED is one of their primary competitors.

Actually, it will be impossible for it to beat. If you're referring to SPL. However, I'll bet just about anything that the driver in the SB16 will be heads and tails better than the driver in the eD, or any ID offering right now in terms of SQ. Yes, it will be limited to what it can do clean SPL wise, due to the size of box and EQ, but you can bet that SVS has coaxed every ounce of possible performance out of it (or are for that matter) that they could.

You're probably talking about a $500-$800 cost driver compared to a $100 to $200, max, driver between those two.

 

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I have an idea, Why not wait until they are released and measured/tested until they are compared to other subs, subjectively as well.

Where's the fun in that Joe!?

Having said that, the SB16 was announced what, a year ago? ... and won't be out until the end of this year. So that may just be too much speculation!

 

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Let me throw this into the mix. The Epik Dragon is a sealed 18" 20x20 cube. 20-200hz at 600watts rms. MSRP $1k. Now if Epik had not discontuined (almost if not all) the 18" subs, it would be a good contender.
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The price for those new SVS sealed subs are MSRP. If these subs were to be sold at the brick-and-mortar shops, the price will be around MSRP to -10%. Take off 40-50%, you will get the true price for direct sales.

I don't foresee the new SVS SB16-Ultra will be costing more than the current ported Ultra. It's business and marketing. If they are announcing the actual price, they will surely kill their current production lines sales (specifically the PB12-Plus and PB13-Ultra).
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To me, the value subs in the sealed category to beat right now are the Empire pair at $1499. Four 15" woofers. 1200 watts total. I don't see how any sealed sub with a single 16" or 18" woofer could outperform the Empire pair, although I've never actually heard the Empire.
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The price for those new SVS sealed subs are MSRP. If these subs were to be sold at the brick-and-mortar shops, the price will be around MSRP to -10%. Take off 40-50%, you will get the true price for direct sales.

I don't foresee the new SVS SB16-Ultra will be costing more than the current ported Ultra. It's business and marketing. If they are announcing the actual price, they will surely kill their current production lines sales (specifically the PB12-Plus and PB13-Ultra).

Newer 16" driver, bigger amp, DSP, smaller design (you pay for a smaller sub even though the SB16 will not go as low as the PB13). Of course the SB16 will be more than the Ultra, considerably more (SVS doesn't use the "MSRP" marketing BS that some ID companies use). But in any event, it's not out for another year.

 

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To me, the value subs in the sealed category to beat right now are the Empire pair at $1499. Four 15" woofers. 1200 watts total. I don't see how any sealed sub with a single 16" or 18" woofer could outperform the Empire pair, although I've never actually heard the Empire.

Agreed, that is a killer price.

 

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Agree on the bang for the buck concern, the eD A7S - 450 seems like a more powerful sub (than all the SVS subs) for a lot less. Too bad the black is so ugly.

Ive seen many less than stellar reviews from owners who changed subs
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You know the problem with comparing subs based on specs or price is that you totally miss "sound quality."

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Too early to tell abt the new SB. It has to be available to the masses or at least a unit or two being reviewed by the HT mags to be judged of its performance. Hopefully, it delivers. The SB16-Ultra should be a monster to beat but come with a price.

Bass, please. Shaken, not stirred.
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This thread is hilarious!

Let's take a product from a cut sheet, speculate on it. Then let's have some compare it in value to other subs, many of which they have not heard either and then base conclusions on all of that.

Sounds reasonable to me.

OK based on that, I would take the SB-16 over anything Epik or eD all day long. There are reasons why you can buy two Empires with 4 drivers and 2 amps and two enclosures for $1499....cheap components. The Empire's dual drivers probably don't even weigh half as much as the motor structure on a single SVS driver.

The SVS driver is 10X the quality and the amp probably is as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the SB-16 bests an Empire in SQ, possibly even in output.

So, how's that!?!? Let the flames begin.

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That's just as valid as every other opinion based on speculation on this thread.
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so there should be some more info on these soon, but the release date for the sb 16 is gonna be later in the year??
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This thread is hilarious!

Let's take a product from a cut sheet, speculate on it. Then let's have some compare it in value to other subs, many of which they have not heard either and then base conclusions on all of that.

Sounds reasonable to me.

OK based on that, I would take the SB-16 over anything Epik or eD all day long. There are reasons why you can buy two Empires with 4 drivers and 2 amps and two enclosures for $1499....cheap components. The Empire's dual drivers probably don't even weigh half as much as the motor structure on a single SVS driver.

The SVS driver is 10X the quality and the amp probably is as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the SB-16 bests an Empire in SQ, possibly even in output.

So, how's that!?!? Let the flames begin.

Wait...this also means it's 1.3 times better than the Submersive! Wow, 10 times better than the Empire and 1.3 times better than the Submersive. Sweet. Unfortunately no where near as good as the Sub 25 or Fathom F113. Finally a system that makes sense.


BTW, don't you guys recall the same hype (well, more due to the "low" price) regarding the PB13?

Geez, I recall AVS banning discussions on the PB13 because of how heated the debates got between HSU supporters and SVS supporters if I recall. I.e., they banned discussion of the PB13 until it actually came out!

 

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the pdf shows the sb12-nsd $699, the sb13-plus $1699, the sb16-ultra $2699

could the $400 be a sb10-nsd or dual 8" drivers?
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