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also the pdf doesnt seem to mention anything about wireless connectivity. That was something the prototype had. Anyone know if they really dropped that, or it just isnt listed as a feature. It would be a pretty large ommission (to me where running wire all over my living room would get the wife in a tizzy...)
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they won't move much product charging $1700/$2700
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Thats what i have been saying especially for us canadians. $2700 is not even for gloss finish yourlooking at $3000 plus tax and shipping. Now you will might as well buy the paradigm sub 25 which you can get for $3300 plus tax including the pbk kit.

Its a quote froma dealer i got whien i was auditioning the sub 25 or a seaton submersive what is svs thinking

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Its a quote froma dealer i got whien i was auditioning the sub 25 or a seaton submersive what is svs thinking

havent you been "kicking tires" for over a year now? you were looking at the SB 16 ultra when its development was announced over a year ago. You still havent found a sub to your liking, or do you think the 16 ultra will be the one worth waiting for?

Im jealous of your restraint. I just got a house and am having trouble waiting a month, let alone A YEAR! I'm curious what opinions you've formed about some of the subs you've looked at with a year's worth of research. I've been researching for a week and from what I can tell you have looked at Hsu uls 15, svs pb 13 ulra, (SB13/16 ultra if they ever throw us a bone "later this week" SubMersive and some others. What do you think about the pros and cons of these with your extensive research/auditions?

I could save a year if you could tell me what all you've learned/concluded thus far

i figure your decision will remain undecided until the release of the SVS SB's likely mine as well, but im curious to see what you think is #1,2,3 at this point (omitting the SB's for the moment)
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they won't move much product charging $1700/$2700

That's part of the glory of ID companies liek SVS, they have instant market feedback and can begin to adjust their prices.

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havent you been "kicking tires" for over a year now? you were looking at the SB 16 ultra when its development was announced over a year ago. You still havent found a sub to your liking, or do you think the 16 ultra will be the one worth waiting for?

Im jealous of your restraint. I just got a house and am having trouble waiting a month, let alone A YEAR! I'm curious what opinions you've formed about some of the subs you've looked at with a year's worth of research. I've been researching for a week and from what I can tell you have looked at Hsu uls 15, svs pb 13 ulra, (SB13/16 ultra if they ever throw us a bone "later this week" SubMersive and some others. What do you think about the pros and cons of these with your extensive research/auditions?

I could save a year if you could tell me what all you've learned/concluded thus far

i figure your decision will remain undecided until the release of the SVS SB's likely mine as well, but im curious to see what you think is #1,2,3 at this point (omitting the SB's for the moment)

Hi

I wont be waiting anymore im getting the sub25 from paradigm. I will be ordering it next week. I have waited this long for many reasons, the main one was the wife.

Plus for me since $$$$$ does not come so easily I had to make sure which sub was the best sub, and of course you pay for what you get.

It was very hard waiting this longtrust me but i have learnerd soo much from everyone even thou i might have asked the same thing over and over in the beginning. In the beginning i would never have thought i was going to spend over $1000 on a sub.

from the top 3 subs i have heard it was a tie for me with the submersive and the sub 25 give or take some extra pluses i had with the sub 25 over the sbmersive after that the F113. I also heard the pb13 at the dealer here in canada.

from the specs for the svs sub it dioes not look like it will out perform the sub25 or the F113. The submersive was very impresive as well the sb16 will not even get close to that sub either from the specs point of view.

If you cant afford the sub25 then my reccomendation is the submersive. either of these 2 subs will make you very happy they both left big smiles on my face

I wish i was able to hear the sub2 in action but that could be a future purchase or another sub25 or the new submersive mark has in the works it has dual 18 inch drivers. Only time will

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the pdf shows the sb12-nsd $699, the sb13-plus $1699, the sb16-ultra $2699

could the $400 be a sb10-nsd or dual 8" drivers?

We'll know for sure by the end of last week, err, mean the week before that. So have some patience.


 

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Hi

I wont be waiting anymore im getting the sub25 from paradigm. I will be ordering it next week. I have waited this long for many reasons, the main one was the wife.

Plus for me since $$$$$ does not come so easily I had to make sure which sub was the best sub, and of course you pay for what you get.

It was very hard waiting this longtrust me but i have learnerd soo much from everyone even thou i might have asked the same thing over and over in the beginning. In the beginning i would never have thought i was going to spend over $1000 on a sub.

from the top 3 subs i have heard it was a tie for me with the submersive and the sub 25 give or take some extra pluses i had with the sub 25 over the sbmersive after that the F113. I also heard the pb13 at the dealer here in canada.

from the specs for the svs sub it dioes not look like it will out perform the sub25 or the F113. The submersive was very impresive as well the sb16 will not even get close to that sub either from the specs point of view.

If you cant afford the sub25 then my reccomendation is the submersive. either of these 2 subs will make you very happy they both left big smiles on my face

I wish i was able to hear the sub2 in action but that could be a future purchase or another sub25 or the new submersive mark has in the works it has dual 18 inch drivers. Only time will

I will also add that anyone who is interested in the Sub 25, but not its high price, should also consider looking at the Sub 15. Based on specs alone the two seem very similar to me.
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Whasaaaab, let me know when you get it (if you are ordering it ... didn't you post about looking into the Raven's 1 hour before posting the above!?), would love to hear it. Given how close we are maybe we can help each other carry the PB13 and/or the Sub 25 to your place or mine.

BTW, aren't you in a condo (inferring from your "can get the party room" comment in another thread)?

 

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Oh my god ...the $2600 is not the top price. It's $4400.
SVS main page, put the mouse cursor on the sub image the text pops up "World-class sub systems from $449 - $4400".
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Oh my god ...the $2600 is not the top price. It's $4400.
SVS main page, put the mouse cursor on the sub image the text pops up "World-class sub systems from $449 - $4400".

That 4400 dollar system is a full MTS package with a PB-13 ultra included, not just one individual component. Link here. "The speakers in this SVS system ($4,400) don’t hang sleek..."

Wish I had the cash to drop on that setup though

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Whasaaaab, let me know when you get it (if you are ordering it ... didn't you post about looking into the Raven's 1 hour before posting the above!?), would love to hear it. Given how close we are maybe we can help each other carry the PB13 and/or the Sub 25 to your place or mine.

BTW, aren't you in a condo (inferring from your "can get the party room" comment in another thread)?

Hey PBC,

I can get the party room for a sub shoot out. I was just asking about the raven they look sweet.

If the price is righ you know what i mean

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The $400 would probably be a 10".

Would really like to know how PB13-Ultra fares against the F113 as well as the Sub 25. Someone told me that the F113 blows the PB13-Ultra with ease. When I asked for an audition of it, he will never reply. I am using the MTS-01 system with PB13-Ultra. Initially, it was being hooked up to Denon AVR-4310 replacing my old Klipsch & Yamaha 1800 combo wt PC12-Plus.

I was disappointed of the MTS-01 when I hooked it up. Then, I realized that the Denon is the culprit. Quickly snapped a Emotiva XPA-5 during its offer. Hooked it up to drive all five loudspeakers. I am a happy man now. The only thing is that the design looks 'dated'.

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The $400 would probably be a 10".

Would really like to know how PB13-Ultra fares against the F113 as well as the Sub 25. Someone told me that the F113 blows the PB13-Ultra with ease. When I asked for an audition of it, he will never reply. I am using the MTS-01 system with PB13-Ultra. Initially, it was being hooked up to Denon AVR-4310 replacing my old Klipsch & Yamaha 1800 combo wt PC12-Plus.

No!
Of course, the PB-13 will crush the F113. You are comparing a ported to sealed setup. Those subs have already been tested.

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That 4400 dollar system is a full MTS package with a PB-13 ultra included, not just one individual component. Link here. "The speakers in this SVS system ($4,400) don't hang sleek..."

Wish I had the cash to drop on that setup though

The thing is the package that you're referring to is in the 'Speaker and Sub combination' (image description) or 'Systems'. However, this one is in the sub only section ' Subwoofers' or the image description 'World-class Sub systems from $449-$4400'. I don't know...the 3 sections look distinctive to me.
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this wait is killing me!!! i just went ahead and ordered the PC13 ultra, becasue i couldnt take the suspense!
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this wait is killing me!!! i just went ahead and ordered the PC13 ultra, becasue i couldnt take the suspense!

The PC-Ultra is a great sub!
The SB-16 isn't going to compare to the ported PC...You will have gobs of low end output.

Congrats!

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I'm looking to replace a Paradigm Ultracube 12 with a sb12-plus. Should I be waiting for the new sb12-nsd to come out or will the new model be similar to the outgoing one? I'm concerned that the new model will be using the nsd driver rather than the plus driver, as well as having a smaller amp.
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I'm looking to replace a Paradigm Ultracube 12 with a sb12-plus. Should I be waiting for the new sb12-nsd to come out or will the new model be similar to the outgoing one? I'm concerned that the new model will be using the nsd driver rather than the plus driver, as well as having a smaller amp.

Hmmm ... what is the reason you want to replace your Ultracube 12? Just curious, as if I recall the Ultracub is a 12" driver and a 650 watt amp, compared to a 12" driver with a 350 watt amp, same size enclosure.

Possibly a better driver in the new SB12, but it's more of a lateral move than anything I would think. If you're looking for more output, the SB13 would fit the bill better (or a 15/18" driver in 16 to 20" enclosure).

 

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Can SVS install their new drivers in ported box or only in sealed box? Is it the end of the 13" Ultra?
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Maybe SVS will have a new dual 13 sub or an 18" model... crazier things have happened...
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not only a feat but I suspect it will break the laws of physics

It simple takes power at that small volume and massive Xmax so the answer is NO!!

Try LMS5400 + 4000 Watts. Now someone needs to bring that to the market!!

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No!
Of course, the PB-13 will crush the F113. You are comparing a ported to sealed setup. Those subs have already been tested.

In terms of clean output down low, yes. But in terms of SQ, I actually felt the F113 had a smidgen better SQ than the PB13 when I had them in my room and at jakeman's dedicated HT. But we're talking splitting hairs (at Jakeman's we did the test blind).

I think the F113 has more output above 30/35hz if I recall from the Shack tests? That could be why (plus the incredible driver of course) I perceived better SQ for music, or maybe a better group delay (though I almost doubt I could perceive the differences between say a 20 ms delay vs 10 ms delay!). For HT IMO the PB13 was the better performer (and if I recall most agreed). Likely because the clips we tested were "sub torture" clips like WOTW Pods emerging scene, canon blast scene, transformers scene, etc.

 

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In terms of clean output down low, yes. But in terms of SQ, I actually felt the F113 had a smidgen better SQ than the PB13 when I had them in my room and at jakeman's dedicated HT. But we're talking splitting hairs (at Jakeman's we did the test blind).

I think the F113 has more output above 30/35hz if I recall from the Shack tests? That could be why (plus the incredible driver of course) I perceived better SQ for music, or maybe a better group delay (though I almost doubt I could perceive the differences between say a 20 ms delay vs 10 ms delay!). For HT IMO the PB13 was the better performer (and if I recall most agreed). Likely because the clips we tested were "sub torture" clips like WOTW Pods emerging scene, canon blast scene, transformers scene, etc.

Agreed! I think above 50Hz is where the Fathom 'caught' up.

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wasnt there going to be some more info released on the SB's "soon?" has anyone heard anything?
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Yeah at this point it is obviously marketing BS -- as we are at nearly a month since that release which was supposed to have 'more to follow at the end of the week' . But given the prices they tagged on these new models it's a bit of a let down when you look at the specs -- $1,699 for the SB13 which has 800 watts and +/- 6db (hopefully that's a mistake in the specs) from 21-150hz....

For a little more money than this price for the SB13+ you can find excellent condition used JL F113's (which has a known exceptional driver, much more power, room correction, etc...) -- or for $600 less you can get a ULS-15 which has a 15" driver with 1,000watts and has bass extension to 0/-1db to 15hz...

So who knows -- at this point it's all speculation, but if the prices and specs on these new sealed models are correct, then there are much better values to be had with other ID brands, the used market, and of course DIY....

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I agree, however, I prefer ported subs even though they do ten to be larger. Only time I think I will ever do a sealed is if it is a DIY with a 18" Audio Pulse LMS driver....and I dont have much luck when working with wood....if only metal cabinets could do the job....

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