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post #181 of 817 Old 05-03-2010, 02:54 PM
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Yes, the title of the thread refers to SVS sealed subs, but Khakimon is referring to ported subs:


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An SVS tech told me this when I was selling my P2B/PLUS. My roll off was the same as the new plus, but it had 900 watts. So it had more authority for sure but would not go as low as the ultra or nsd. He stated that two driver in the same enclosure would not go a low as a single driver in a comparable enclosure. Rember the PB2/PLUS was a non oposed setup, sharing the same undivided enclosure. So my comment was alittle narrow.

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my bad... didn't know P2B was ported
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Finally, the SB series will see the light of the day :

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From tiny SB10-NSD, at just over $400, to the flagship SB16-Ultra just under $4000


 

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I can't see the SB16 being "good" enough to justify purchasing it over dual SubMersives or maybe even quad Empires.

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They used to make a passive sub the had like four drivers in it. It was massive and massively priced. I can not remember the name though...
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They used to make a passive sub the had like four drivers in it. It was massive and massively priced. I can not remember the name though...

B4 ?

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That is it. I used to fantasize about this sub. It just looked so damn cool. Ofcourse I broke my bank buying the P2B/PLUS but man I wanted that damn sub bad. Ah.....


Thanks for the refresh...
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What's odd is that the original slip sheet estimated a price of $1799 IIRC, then the last message from only several ago (i.e., the one that originally said "all info would be out by 'week's end' before it was changed) said "$2600" was the top price of the SB line. Now this says $4k. Either that's a typo (doubtful), or something very strange happened in the last few weeks on the cost/supply side.

$8k before shipping for duals!!

I can't wait to see the specs on that puppy, as I'm assuming they have changed somewhat.

 

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What's odd is that the original slip sheet estimated a price of $1799 IIRC, then the last message from only several ago (i.e., the one that originally said "all info would be out by 'week's end' before it was changed) said "$2600" was the top price of the SB line. Now this says $4k. Either that's a typo (doubtful), or something very strange happened in the last few weeks on the cost/supply side.

$8k before shipping for duals!!

I can't wait to see the specs on that puppy, as I'm assuming they have changed somewhat.

perhaps the $4k model is using dual 16's ?

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That's what I was thinking, though you'd think it would have a different name than "SB16".

Guess we'll find out soon enough.

 

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So far, all marketing hyperbole, but little substance. Some nice features are listed, but not much detail.

If the new Sledge amps are an exclusive SVS design, why are they still plain, flat, plate amps with no distinguishing traits? No wireless, no PEQ or auto cal, no OSD. I think they have totally missed the mark, but are pricing them like they hit a bullseye. This should make HSU, Seaton, Epik, eD, and JTR very happy.

To me, it looks like another once proud to have USA made products, is telling it's largest customer base that they don't believe Americans can build superior products and still maintain value. I am very disappointed with what I read and doubt SVS will be back on my short lists. I never thought I would say this. Next stop, Mumbai based customer support call center.

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I too am not impressed with what appears to be a weak bang for the buck ratio, but I'm going to hold off on judging the products until they make it out into the marketplace.
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ransac,

All this from a subwoofer that hasn't been released yet? Come on now.

If you were in a business where you need to be ahead of the competition, just how much detail would you release ahead of time? If you said much, your competition that works out of a garage would have a similar product about the same time you release yours.

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I hope they turn out great, but I have a tough time imagining these subs becoming iconic like the PB13 Ultra did.
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Mike,

I think the PB13 Ultra got its boost from Craigsub's reviews and his comparisons against other subs.

That situation is gone now so I doubt any sub, even a better one can do as well as the PB13 Ultra.

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Something is strange though. I can't see the price going from $1799 to $2600 to $4000 in a matter of months (well, $2600 to $4000 in a few weeks). $4k will make it tough for what is really a ID brand to sell though. Most professional installers at $4k will look to the "well known" brands at that range vs an ID brand (even though the performance will likely not match the SB16). Unless the $2600 is for a single SB16 and $4000 is for a dual driver SB16 as mentioned above. $4k would price it above the Sub 25 (by about 30% given you can get these for around $3k I believe in the US?).

Jim - you're definitely right about the measurements. No one is doing them anymore. We do know that SVS does their own measurements on quite a few subs, but unfortunately won't post them for obvious reasons.

At the price of the SB16 (and likely SB13 will be up there as well), hopefully they will be confident enough to post a full suite of measurements on it.

BTW, what exactly does "DSP" do in an amp? I.e., does it offer any auto EQ ability or ability to add shelf filters/boost?

 

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Something is strange though. I can't see the price going from $1799 to $2600 to $4000 in a matter of months (well, $2600 to $4000 in a few weeks).

maybe they read all the complaints about $2600 being high and are now saying $4000 so that when i comes out, $2600 will look cheap

it worked with gas. gas was like $1.10 before things went to hell. it hit $2 and people were bitching. then it hit $3 and people wigged out so they pushed it to $5 for a while and then dropped it back to just below $3 and everyone is happy now that it's not $5 anymore


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Mike,

I think the PB13 Ultra got its boost from Craigsub's reviews and his comparisons against other subs.

That situation is gone now so I doubt any sub, even a better one can do as well as the PB13 Ultra.

I think that was a factor as well as some really good test results from ilkka and
AV Talk. The price point was also a factor. It was a sub for around 1500 that could hold it's own or in some cases beat down subs costing multples of that.

Which of the new sealed subs can hang with a submersive and how much will it cost?
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Come on guys.... they are reading the forums and getting feedback, I'm pretty confident that with the many Dual Opposed designs builds popping up out there quite a bit - its quite possible they are working on something along those lines...

IMO the Sub1 & Sub2, Submersive and now the Epik are pretty nice designs and options out there - certainly something worth chasing after. At least for that kind of money they should be looking in that direction, but from the reading it sure doesn't sound that way.
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BTW, what exactly does "DSP" do in an amp? I.e., does it offer any auto EQ ability or ability to add shelf filters/boost?

My limited understanding is that "DSP" (digital sound processor) is that it modifies several parameters in the amplifer/driver combination. One of these parameters would be how flat the response curve would be in a given room. Another may be limiting power below a certain frequency(sub sonic filter) so that you don't burn out the driver.

I thought it was kinda interesting that SVS gave you the option of adjusting the subsonic filter on the Ultra 13 so that you're not limiting it when you're in a different tune.

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Sent an email over to SVSound........no news at all concerning the SB-16 Ultra.

I'm hoping "DSP" is part of the amp as my only alternative for on board Eq will be 2 Velodyne DD-18's for my new theatre construction.

$2600 is not bad if on board Eq is part of the amp.........if not.........I'll be looking at the Velodyne option.
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Sent an email over to SVSound........no news at all concerning the SB-16 Ultra.

I'm hoping "DSP" is part of the amp as my only alternative for on board Eq will be 2 Velodyne DD-18's for my new theatre construction.

$2600 is not bad if on board Eq is part of the amp.........if not.........I'll be looking at the Velodyne option.

Why not simply consider adding Sms-1 to some better performing subs than the DD?
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Given that many if not all new receiver/prepros have a built in equalizer of some sort, I'm not so sure that paying a premium for one that's built into the sub. You're more than likely going to be paying twice for the same feature.

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Especially if you buy a pair of DD's, you are actully paying twice for the eq.
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All this from a subwoofer that hasn't been released yet? Come on now.

If you were in a business where you need to be ahead of the competition, just how much detail would you release ahead of time? If you said much, your competition that works out of a garage would have a similar product about the same time you release yours.

I read the news late at night, so I might have missed something or misinterpreted what I read. But it sounded like this press release is SVS telling us 'OK, here is what you've all been waiting for'. Sounds pretty final to me. I hope this isn't just another teaser.

Looks like hardly anything will be American made. That really disappoints me. The price is more than enough to allow for 'Made in America' and our higher labor rates, so going off-shore and have the high prices is a double whammy.

BTW, you were close with the DSP, but it is Digital Signal Processor or Processing.

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4k must be a typo

in any case, their so called news blurbs have become drivel, this latest one really is a bunch of incoherent rambling with dumb pics
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I've got to think this $4k SB16 is a dual opposed unit. They do mention in the May 3rd release that ...

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Coming then, is a new generation of gear with an even bigger list of new Sealed Box subs than previously announced.

The original list said $400 to $2600 and one would think related to the SB10 through SB16 lineup (given the SB12 to SB16 had arleady been "released" as coming in various news releases and pdf's). With the $4k price being a new offering, well, I hope. Guess I'm not overly concerned as I won't be buying a new sub for a while now. Was waiting to see if the SB16 was going to come out at $1799 per the original pdf sales sheet, then when I heard a few months back it was coming out closer to $2600 and wouldn't be out til end of 2010, decided to go the DIY route for fun.

 

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I can't see the price going from $1799 to $2600 to $4000 in a matter of months (well, $2600 to $4000 in a few weeks).

It was $4K since the announcement back in February. They (SVS) actually gave a hint in the main web page -- only IE users can see however. When a mouse-cursor is rolled over the subwoofer link, it reads "World-class sub systems from $449 - $4400." This is not the speakers and sub combo section by the way. No surprise here.
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I'm fairly certain that headnig was always there and the $4400 amount relates to the MTS 5.1 system which retailed for $4400 before it was reduced. Could be wrong, who knows (their website has always been a weak point - again, typical for ID companies that aren't going to spend much on advertising/marketing and more on product development which is what we want as ID consumers).

The original release still says "$400 to $2600", and refers to 4 subs. The 3 we knew were the SB12, SB13 and SB15. We now know the $400 sub was the SB10. So there is a new "5th" sub out there. I'm going to maintain dual drive SB16 at $4k. I'm sure I'm not the only person that was inquiring about the SB16 over the past several months and had heard the "$2500ish until we can iron it out" price range on the SB16 being bantied about. No way do they go from $2500ish to $4k.

That model simply doesn't work for an ID company. A $4k single 16" woofer from an internet direct branded company won't sell much, unless it has some serious bells and whistles - e.g., two amps similar to the Sub 15, or dual drivers, and/or Audyssey AS-EQ1 functionality built right in, or a woman who pops out out of the box and serves you ice cold beer while extolling the virtues of how incredible your ... ummm ... "system" is, something anyhow). Pro installers will continue to buy the JL's and Paradigms and REL's and other "highly recognizable B&M names" IMO.

I'm going to chalk it up to poor penmanship for now until we see what this is all about, and in the mean time, continue to join the fun of guessing what it will be. Which is all we can really do.

If it is a single driver SB16, then I'm even that much more curious as to what this thing can do.

 

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