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There is more info out now -- and the models look to be quite nice with a good range in terms of performance and price...

http://www.svsound.com/news-news.cfm

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$400-2600?

guessing here, a 12" sealed at $400 that outperforms their last sealed offering??? would be pretty remarkable...

and for $2600?? a dual driver Ultra?????
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that's a huge premium over the current Ultra

I'm guessing the $2600 refers to the yet unamed "4th" sub
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Ah, did you read it? The $2700 is the SB16Ultra, not an as yet to be named future sub. Sounds pricey, but it is what it is.

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$400-2600?

guessing here, a 12" sealed at $400 that outperforms their last sealed offering??? would be pretty remarkable...

and for $2600?? a dual driver Ultra?????

Doubtful there will be anything "dual driver" with those models. That 16" driver will be BAD. I want one.
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Those are gorgeous drivers, that's for sure. Intriguing, wonder if the "4th" sub will be a ported design given the article implies it's not an SB.

The SB16 is going to be a huge premium over the current Ultra, so it could be the $2600 one.

Wonder how much performance they'll squeeze into that driver in a 20" cube with a 1000 watt Bash amp? Or did Indigo figure out a way to get a plate amp above 1000 watts? Hmmm....one things for sure, it's going to be a hell of a performer regardless of price knowing SVS, and at a price like that, for an ID company, it will have to be at the top of the heap given the F113, Sub 25 can be had in and around that price post discounts.

 

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Ah, did you read it? The $2700 is the SB16Ultra, not an as yet to be named future sub. Sounds pricey, but it is what it is.

I don't see where it directly says that

if that is the case however, perhaps the yet to be named sub will be the $400 unit, maybe an 8" ???
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Ah, did you read it? The $2700 is the SB16Ultra, not an as yet to be named future sub. Sounds pricey, but it is what it is.

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By week's end all the information about when these killer SB's will arrive and how prices will shake out. And we'll announce one other sub by week's end. By year's end we'll provide a quartet of subs from $400 to $2,600... not a one of which will give mercy to any competitor even remotely close in size or price.

Based on the way its written and past posts I would have said the same.
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The SB16 will be the $2600 sub, that link to pricing/specs probably should have never been released by SVS until they were closer to production.

Which will put that sub upwards of $3k in Canada. North of that for us folks in Ontario with 13% sales tax. Grrr.

In any event ,will be interesting to see what the 4th sub is. In any event, we'll know in a few days apparently!

 

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Let's wait and see what they have up their sleaves.

I am sure the SB-16 and the yet unknown model will be killer in the price/performance category.

It is nice to see them coming out with some compact but potent models.

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What is SVS up to???

What's the secret:

1) The SB-16 Ultra in premium finish was quoted by SVS at $1899.- in the past (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post16985817). This price was high already when compared to something like the Seaton Submersive (dual 15"). You want me to believe that SVS sets this price now $700.- higher than that?? Highly unlikely IMHO.

2) So what is worth $2600.- in SVSs sub portfolio. A guess would be a SB-16 Ultra with included Audyssey EQ. Would make sense price wise.

3) or - and this is pure speculation - SVS is going to surprise us all by weeks end and goes head to head with the Submersive -> how about a sealed sub with dual 16" Ultra drivers? For $600.- more than the Submersive you would get a simular design with arguably more powerful drivers.

In a few days we will know it.
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I think you are making a few assumptions there.

Just because a 16" driver model has one driver does not mean it cannot outperform a dual driver model in brand X.

Plus, this sub is going after a small market (no pun intended) that requires a small foot print. So, it is already at a disadvantage in enclosure volume and with a built in amp (which are usually underpowered already). But it is SMALL.

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I think you are making a few assumptions there.

Just because a 16" driver model has one driver does not mean it cannot outperform a dual driver model in brand X.

you are certainly right. All I am saying is that I would be more than surprised of the SB-16 Ultra outperforms a Submersive. And therefor it shouldn't cost $600.- more when you consider both companies sell off the internet.

It would take a dual 16" design to warrant that kind of price FOR ME.
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I'll take an SB-13

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The new sub will be a pb16 ultra

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If you click on the link in the article for the attached promotional sheet, it takes you to this page that shows all the specs and prices for three of the subs.
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you are certainly right. All I am saying is that I would be more than surprised of the SB-16 Ultra outperforms a Submersive. And therefor it shouldn't cost $600.- more when you consider both companies sell off the internet.

It would take a dual 16" design to warrant that kind of price FOR ME.

Given it's footprint is a 20" cube with a 1000 watt BASH amp (instead of an ICE amp), if it performs near where the Submersive performs that would be a feat on its own.

Some would pay the extra money for the difference in fit and finish, size, DSP controls on the amp, single band EQ (maybe more with the new DSP), the driver is likely going to be much more bullet proof (that matters to some though the chances of ever blowing a driver in the Submersive is slim to none), possibly more more linear, etc.

However, I highly doubt it will hit the same SPL levels as the Submersive, as they are targeting the F113 and Paradigm sealed single unit offerings (and the HSU ULS to a lessor extent, though I'm sure the SB13 will be more or less on par with the ULS in terms of output, though it too is considerably more expensive - again, fit/finish, DSP, driver quality - speculation on the driver quality of course ).

 

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Missed the link - 1200 watt amp? Interesting. FS Amp?

 

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If you click on the link in the article for the attached promotional sheet, it takes you to this page that shows all the specs and prices for three of the subs.

Didn't notice that when I first read it...good catch. Though the prices seem to be a little on the high side for an internet direct business model. Granted their products have a terrific reputation. I am sure these will be performers.
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If you click on the link in the article for the attached promotional sheet, it takes you to this page that shows all the specs and prices for three of the subs.

You are correct, that's what was referred to earlier in the thread as the "pricing/specs" link.

I must say, the pictures of the SB16-Ultra look quite impressive! Like others have said though, I don't really understand the large increase in price over what was previously expected......then again, maybe the amplification or driver ended up being a lot more expensive than originally anticipated?
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I think the difference in price can be summed up in three letters: D.S.P.
It is much easier to design and build a large ported enclosure than it is to build a smaller, sealed sub with similar output. It seems SVS looked to the JL Audio Fathoms for inspiration here in both design and price.
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If you click on the link in the article for the attached promotional sheet, it takes you to this page that shows all the specs and prices for three of the subs.

Exactly.

http://www.svsound.com/products/7_SV...etCES10Web.pdf
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More evidence that SVS is forging a new direction from ID sub companies. Instead of playing in the same fishpond, they are trying to create their own here in the US and creating a Euro friendly footprint for increased international sales. While the SB16U isn't out of reach price wise, it's more than I want to spend. That won't stop those that do however. I'd sure like to get my ears around it.

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Intresting to see how the LCD screen on the SB16 will work out since it's on the back of the sub. Most of the time I place the back of the sub close to the wall. Having to move the sub in and out to see the LCD is a bit much. Unless the remote has a LCD as well.
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The text implies the remote has a dedicated display, and there's the separate LCD on the back of the sub. And the bullet feature list says 2-way RF remote control with LCD display.

Look at the pick of the sub rear, the LCD is only about 2 lines of text for a read-out, with a little knob/dial next to it.
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You guys are making a lot of assumptions regarding price, price increases, etc.

The cut sheet says "MSRP". That price can mean anything and nothing.

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The PB13 price matches the listed MSRP of the new SB13. And none of the SVS website pages list MSRP crossed out and the actual price, unlike other sub companies. So there's no reason to expect these subs to end up being lower in price than what's in that PDF.
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So there's no reason to expect these subs to end up being lower in price than what's in that PDF.

OK if you say so, but I wouldn't bet too much on that assumption or on things like "estimated MSRP"

Just like the prices have changed, most of the products have experienced one or more delays for up to a year as well.

I would wait until there is an actual product page and you can click BUY.

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Will these sealed subwoofers from SVS be quasi-sealed (in other words, not using the natural 12 dB/octave roll off profile) or a proper 2nd-order design without SS filter (or defeatable) SS filter ?

It seems like there is a trend these days for sealed subwoofers to butcher their roll-off response due to inadequate headroom down low where it matters most.

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Good question.

Lack of power from built-in amps is definitely a short coming for commercial sealed offerings.

JL seems to be one of the only setups that packs some real power built-in.
Of course, I don't what their amp actually puts out either.

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