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You guys should head over to the Denon AVR-4311/AVR-A100 thread in the AMP section of this fourm. This thread has nothing on it!

Boy, isn't that the truth. Talk about beating a dead horse!!
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First of all I want to apologize. It was never my intention to dodge the question.

I saw the question a week back or so and asked a tech in passing for exact clarification and did not get the answer I was looking for. I did not want to post a response that I was not confident in. I never want to give a fluff response to anyone, especially here on AVS.

At that time I sent an email request to a lead tech to get a clear response so I could provide you with the exact meaning behind the specs. I did not do the necessary follow up with him and it honestly slipped my mind until today about 3 minutes ago when I jumped back on the forum to see a frenzy regarding the topic.

The lead tech I inquired with is out today and will be in tomorrow. I promise I will clarify the exact meaning of the specs first thing tomorrow and apologize for my oversight.

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Here is what 13dB boost @ 40Hz is referring to.

Normally at about 40 -45 Hz the subwoofer starts to roll off or you don't hear any output from the sub at those frequencies. So to help off set the roll off and increase the output between 40 Hz-45Hz there is a 13 dB electronic EQ at 40 Hz. What this will do, is when the subwoofer hits the frequency 40Hz the EQ will increase the output of the subwoofer by 13dB so that you will still be about to hear the low frequencies.

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Here is what 13dB boost @ 40Hz is referring to.

Normally at about 40 -45 Hz the subwoofer starts to roll off or you don't hear any output from the sub at those frequencies. So to help off set the roll off and increase the output between 40 Hz-45Hz there is a 13 dB electronic EQ at 40 Hz. What this will do, is when the subwoofer hits the frequency 40Hz the EQ will increase the output of the subwoofer by 13dB so that you will still be about to hear the low frequencies.

Thanks, thats what I expected to hear.




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Thanks, thats what I expected to hear.

Yeah...but that opens up a whole new set of questions.

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I did notice, however, that the sub was shipping several states away from where it was originally shipped from. This is pure speculation on my part, but maybe Lava took our advise and shipped it to someone that could perform a *decent* review on it? The sub was already slightly damaged so it would have been a perfect sub to loan out for such a thing.

Hey, Sorry in the flood of posts yesterday I missed this in your post but yes we did take your advice on that and sent that sub directly to audioholics.com. Thanks for that.

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Yeah...but that opens up a whole new set of questions.

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So is that good or bad?
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Yeah...but that opens up a whole new set of questions.

Like what?

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On 2nd thought, I really dont give a crap. Your got yourself a fine product there Eric. I'll be getting a second one as soon as the funds allow.

I'll just tag along in the thread for the internet thuggin...
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On 2nd thought, I really dont give a crap. Your got yourself a fine product there Eric. I'll be getting a second one as soon as the funds allow.

I'll just tag along in the thread for the internet thuggin...

Can I ask why you'd buy 2 cheap subs instead of 1 good one? Doesn't make sense to me sorry
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OK Peggy. What is the Q and slope on the 40Hz boost? And is it centered at 40?

Not that long ago, many of the SVS models measured a 40Hz hump in GP measurements. It certainly wasn't 13dB and I don't see it in the newer models. The problem is, many thought that contributed to much of the bloated, boomy, slow, sloppy (or whatever adjective you want to use) bass.

Why not just tweak the response to be flat in 1/2 space and let the end user add any boost they want? I know you are targeting the budget market, but even low end receivers have some form of bass boost. I would guess an auto Eq system would try to take out the boost anyway.

I warned you back on page 1 that you would need a think hide and a sense of humor to play in this forum. I did delete my first post (the white van) where I suggested people stay away from Lava subs. You have earned that. But I'm leaving the Peggy posts as they are just too much fun.

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Like what?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but at 40hz the boost will cause all electronic components connected to the Lava to burst into flames.

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How about we wait until someone gets some accurate SPL readings at different frequencies and a frequency graph before jump on the bash wagon.
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correct me if i'm wrong, but at 40hz the boost will cause all electronic components connected to the lava to burst into flames.

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Can I ask why you'd buy 2 cheap subs instead of 1 good one? Doesn't make sense to me sorry

Because regardless of their price I believe I hve bought a good product. To me, two lava subs would be better than one $600 sub. At least in my room.
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Like what?

Well, ransac(Randy) has already asked a good one.

As mentioned before, when you apply that much boost, it takes a lot of amp power. So getting a better understanding of the FR and Q would be nice.

There is also a the question on what inputs this boost affects.

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Can we get the clarification that was requested in posts #166 and #168 of this thread, specifically if this 13db boost is lowpass only, not LFE?
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Because regardless of their price I believe I hve bought a good product. To me, two lava subs would be better than one $600 sub. At least in my room.

Understood, but like I mentioned in previous post, what else have you compared? Not to put words in P-E's post, but I am sure he will ask this.

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Understood, but like I mentioned in previous post, what else have you compared? Not to put words in P-E's post, but I am sure he will ask this.

sorry. i'm not trying to start a war or anything..i was just curious as to reasoning here. i personally think you are far better to get one good sub that can outperform the 2 lava's and go deeper, more spl etc rather than 2 "budget" subs for the same money. just my .02 of course...
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sorry. i'm not trying to start a war or anything..i was just curious as to reasoning here. i personally think you are far better to get one good sub that can outperform the 2 lava's and go deeper, more spl etc rather than 2 "budget" subs for the same money. just my .02 of course...

I wasn't starting a war either. Affordability and WAF always come into play with purchases. In the end, I was willing to take a chance on a new untested company and product. In fact, I did that with my speakers as well (HTD).
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That's cool I'm glad the sub is good for the money. Im loving my eD.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but at 40hz the boost will cause all electronic components connected to the Lava to burst into flames.

hehe nice

I guess that's better than all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.

THAT would be bad.....
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hehe nice

I guess that's better than all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.

THAT would be bad.....

Lol lol
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hehe nice

I guess that's better than all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.

THAT would be bad.....

But it sure would be cool to watch!
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hehe nice

I guess that's better than all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.

THAT would be bad.....

Sounds like my recent bout with food poisoning from an El Pollo Loco pollo bowl. Anyway, Monday night I'll be connecting a Lava-10 to a 2.1 SACD rig with Monitor Audio RS6 towers. I'll post an extremely non-technical review if enough people are interested.

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Have you ever noticed that once someone buys something they never have an unfavorable review of it? Cognitive dissonance maybe?

It's the same as all the positive only reviews in magazines which then conveniently have a full page ad on the next couple of pages


Come on!!! Let's hear some negatives to go with all the fluff please? No product is that good in all ways.
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Have you ever noticed that once someone buys something they never have an unfavorable review of it? Cognitive dissonance maybe?

You haven't followed ME for very long here on AVS then. I gave both Audyssey and SVS a run for their $. I pissed quite a few people (both fanboi's and company personnel) off in the process. I have a LOT of $ invested in SVS and Audyssey products. When I have that amount of $ invested in a company's products, I expect a LOT.

I knew exactly want I was getting myself into when I purchased the LSP12. At the price I paid I got exactly what I paid for (and expected). I have personally listened to all the subs that my local Best Buy has to offer. Several were more expensive (even after being highly discounted) than the Lava. The Lava sounded leaps and bounds better than all of them.

Something else that just chaps my hide are the wait times for eD subs. It is just ridiculous. That alone gives the Lava a small advantage in my book.

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Have you ever noticed that once someone buys something they never have an unfavorable review of it? Cognitive dissonance maybe?

It's the same as all the positive only reviews in magazines which then conveniently have a full page ad on the next couple of pages


Come on!!! Let's hear some negatives to go with all the fluff please? No product is that good in all ways.

I'm as critical and curious as anyone, but what negatives are you looking for? It's a barely $300 subwoofer, for AVS members, and it seems to be outperforming expectations. It sounds like most of its sins are ones of omission (extension, output, etc), which is the best way to go with any design versus trying to do everything and doing none of it well. As far as I can tell the largest issue is the +13dB@40Hz EQ. Strangely, this doesn't seem to have had a terribly detrimental effect according to subjective reports so far. Also, that Lava has voluntarily sent a sub off to Audioholics says a whole lot about their willingness to stand behind their product, even if some warts are exposed. It will be interesting to see the review and put a lot of this stuff to rest one way or the other.
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