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Make an offer of $350.

http://www.acousticsounddesign.com/core/view_BigProduct.cfm?pid=1825&sc=28

Ok thank you.  For some reason I couldn't find that link.  I made an offer of eBay; it was however, the same seller.  It just auto-responded with "declined".  


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They responded with "$399 shipped" :(  Still worth it at that price point?


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They responded with "$399 shipped" frown.gif  Still worth it at that price point?
Did you offer $350?

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Did you offer $350?

Yes... kind of lame that they raised the prices.


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Yes... kind of lame that they raised the prices.
Bummer. Its still probably your best bet at that price unless you buy used or raise your budget. The Bic PL200 is often compared to the 150 and it can still be had for $350 or less. For $499 you can get an SVS PB1000. Those are the usual 3 that people get in the $350-$500 range.

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Bummer. Its still probably your best bet at that price unless you buy used or raise your budget. The Bic PL200 is often compared to the 150 and it can still be had for $350 or less. For $499 you can get an SVS PB1000. Those are the usual 3 that people get in the $350-$500 range.

Yeah true.  I think tomorrow I will call them and see if we can meet somewhere in the middle.  I want the PA-150... I cannot afford the SVS right now.  


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What would the real-world differences be between the PA-150 and the PB-1000?  My application is a large living/dining room (approx 38x20, vaulted ceilings) that has an open hallway to the family room and open stairway to the upstairs.

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What would the real-world differences be between the PA-150 and the PB-1000?  My application is a large living/dining room (approx 38x20, vaulted ceilings) that has an open hallway to the family room and open stairway to the upstairs.

From what I have learned so far with all the research I've done on this topic is that the PB-1000 is going to be able to reproduce the lows better than the PA-150.  The PB-1000 extends in the lower frequencies better than the PA-150, however, the PA-150 will have slightly more output and might even produce better in the middle frequency range.  I've been told to get two PB-1000's for larger rooms.  I believe SVS has a discount when you buy them in pairs.  

 

I started this thread:  http://www.avsforum.com/t/1513183/help-me-decide-on-a-subwoofer/30#post_24272777

 

I've received excellent feedback and advice.  Read through it and decide which is best for your situation.... your room is about as big as mine (I only have 9 foot ceilings).


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My choice would be two PA 150's hands down for that size room. It's you cash.

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I've received excellent feedback and advice.  Read through it and decide which is best for your situation.... your room is about as big as mine (I only have 9 foot ceilings).

Thanks.  Yah, I read through that thread, along with several others earlier today.

 

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My choice would be two PA 150's hands down for that size room. It's you cash.

Yup.  My cash....of which I don't have a lot to play with, so PA 150's may be the ticket.

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Thanks.  Yah, I read through that thread, along with several others earlier today.

 

Yup.  My cash....of which I don't have a lot to play with, so PA 150's may be the ticket.

I was literally about to buy a PA-150 on ebay (made an offer for $350) but since the price raised to $399 I decided to wait and think about it for awhile.  I keep going back and forth... the question of waiting and saving to get the PB-2000, or just getting the PA-150, keeps presenting itself.  

 

Like I said, I would have paid the $350 for the PA-150... since the opportunity doesn't present itself, it is forcing me to reconsider on the wait and save.  I have yet to hear a single negative thing about SVS subs... on the other hand, the PA-150 does have a few draw backs.  The price should make up for those draw backs; however, since the price seems to have raised, those draw backs seem to be more pronounced.  


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Hey, I am in the same boat as you. I am trying to decided on PA-150 vs PL-200 and would love to get the PA-150 for $350. What did you end up deciding on and at what price point.
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Hey, I am in the same boat as you. I am trying to decided on PA-150 vs PL-200 and would love to get the PA-150 for $350. What did you end up deciding on and at what price point.

Since I wasn't able to get the PA-150 for the $350 I was expecting to have to pay... I put a hold on the replacement project.  I was planning on purchasing the SVS PB-2000 on Feb 1st, however, I stumbled upon this sub:  http://www.powersoundaudio.com/products/xv15 and upon the associated chart below.  Basically, I am having a hard time deciding.... I need a sub with an astronomical amount of output.  With that said, I would like to not have to purchase two subwoofers to be satisfied with the output.  I have read a few good reviews regarding the XV15 and I may just end up getting it instead of both the PA-150 and the PB-2000.  

 

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I highly recommend the reading of this review.  Not just the first page either:

 

http://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-reviews/xv-15-subwoofer


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If they raised the price to $400, might want to check out one of these dual 12" subs for the same price.

http://reaction-audio.myshopify.com/products/bps-212-powered-subwoofer

And check out their thread here on the forum, the owner is good about answering any questions.
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If they raised the price to $400, might want to check out one of these dual 12" subs for the same price.

http://reaction-audio.myshopify.com/products/bps-212-powered-subwoofer

And check out their thread here on the forum, the owner is good about answering any questions.

That looks like a nice sub. Very similar to the Epik Legend. That is a fairly new company. Either way for a room that large with vaulted ceilings, the OP will in time realize he need at least two subs no matter what type they are.

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That looks like a nice sub. Very similar to the Epik Legend. That is a fairly new company. Either way for a room that large with vaulted ceilings, the OP will in time realize he need at least two subs no matter what type they are.
Yeah, that's the drawback, no reviews yet, but Jim Wilson is going to review one soon. Here is the thread if anyone wants to follow along.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1512281/reaction-audio-subs

I'm sure it won't be an output monster like the PA-150, but it's another option at the price point. They do have a deal on two subs for $700. (introductory prices)
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They just quoted me at 400 as well. Too bad I would totally pull the trigger at 350 on it. I am not sure what to do now.
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They just quoted me at 400 as well. Too bad I would totally pull the trigger at 350 on it. I am not sure what to do now.

Go make $50. :)  Also, have you looked at Reaction Audio's dual 12" sub for $399 shipped?


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Yeah that $50 makes a big difference for some reason. I'm sold on the XV-15 though. I'm set to purchase at the end of month unless something else entices me sooner.

The Reaction Audios dual sub is sealed right?

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Yeah, that's the drawback, no reviews yet, but Jim Wilson is going to review one soon. Here is the thread if anyone wants to follow along.

Sure, but Jim won't be doing CEA2010 measurements, so it won't help much for seeing if the Reaction Sub would compete with the PA-150 in overall max output. Given that the BPS 212 is a 200 watt RMS sealed sub, I wouldn't count on it without actual measurements.

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Sure, but Jim won't be doing CEA2010 measurements, so it won't help much for seeing if the Reaction Sub would compete with the PA-150 in overall max output. Given that the BPS 212 is a 200 watt RMS sealed sub, I wouldn't count on it without actual measurements.

Overall max output at what frequency range?

Typically two sealed drivers will best one similarly sized driver in a ported box or a sealed box above 40hz because of the added efficiency of the second driver. Up there, the ported sub is unable to take advantage of help form the port. The dual sealed sub becomes in effect two subwoofers just simply sharing one box and one amplifier, as long as the box size is double what you would normally place one of the drivers in.

However, assuming the ported sub is tuned to 20hz-25hz then it will have a distinct advantage around that frequency, usually 6-10 db over a single driver sealed sub.
However if you look at the measurements from Ricci on the PA-150, output falls below 40 hz and decreases rapidly below 30hz. much in the way a sealed sub often would.
My guess is that driver would have needed to be in a larger box to get flat output lower and achieve results typical of ported subwoofers, which often can solve "lack of boundary gain" issues in larger rooms.
However it's output above 40hz is still impressive.

I recommended a pair of PA - 150s to a good friend about a year ago based on his needs and tastes. I helped him set them up. He didn't really care about bass below 30hz and he was on a budget.
The PA-150 filled his room nicely. Having experience with them I would say our 200w model is actually somewhat similar in overall output giving the PA 150 an advantage in output around 30-35hz.. Our 300 watt model would be a closer race.

The Premier unit however is a really nice unit for the money.
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Overall max output at what frequency range?

Typically two sealed drivers will best one similarly sized driver in a ported box or a sealed box above 40hz because of the added efficiency of the second driver. Up there, the ported sub is unable to take advantage of help form the port. The dual sealed sub becomes in effect two subwoofers just simply sharing one box and one amplifier, as long as the box size is double what you would normally place one of the drivers in.

However, assuming the ported sub is tuned to 20hz-25hz then it will have a distinct advantage around that frequency, usually 6-10 db over a single driver sealed sub.
However if you look at the measurements from Ricci on the PA-150, output falls below 40 hz and decreases rapidly below 30hz. much in the way a sealed sub often would.
My guess is that driver would have needed to be in a larger box to get flat output lower and achieve results typical of ported subwoofers, which often can solve "lack of boundary gain" issues in larger rooms.
However it's output above 40hz is still impressive.

I recommended a pair of PA - 150s to a good friend about a year ago based on his needs and tastes. I helped him set them up. He didn't really care about bass below 30hz and he was on a budget.
The PA-150 filled his room nicely. Having experience with them I would say our 200w model is actually somewhat similar in overall output giving the PA 150 an advantage in output around 30-35hz.. Our 300 watt model would be a closer race.

The Premier unit however is a really nice unit for the money.
I could not find fault with anyone choosing it on a budget.

First, let me say that I do look forward to the release of the Reaction Audio subs and hearing what others have to say. I think it's great that there is potential for another competitive ID company in the market. smile.gif

However, I know what the measurements for the PA-150 look like.

I also know that talking "typically" about drivers doesn't necessarily work since it depends on the individual driver performance and how much power they are given, as well as other factors.

It is "reasonable" to say that one should wait for measurements before counting on a sub to produce a certain output, especially for a product that has not been professionally reviewed nor even testimonials posted from AVS members yet. I am uncomfortable with the idea of over encouraging non-AVS subwoofer enthusiasts looking for purchasing advice to take one for the team on a sub that has not been tried by others without letting them know that they are taking one for the team. Thus, it is fair for me to say, "I wouldn't count on it."

Rather than talking speculatively about output of your sub, post some frequency response measurements for your product on your website. Share some SPL measurements. You must have some. Maybe it's time to share. I'm one of those who thinks we should give manufacturers the benefit of the doubt on their measurements until proven otherwise. I would be happy to reference them.

Last, I might be the only one, but I do find it a little inappropriate that you would schlep your subs in a thread that is devoted to another sub manufacturer.

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First, let me say that I do look forward to the release of the Reaction Audio subs and hearing what others have to say. I think it's great that there is potential for another competitive ID company in the market. smile.gif

However, I know what the measurements for the PA-150 look like.

I also know that talking "typically" about drivers doesn't necessarily work since it depends on the individual driver performance and how much power they are given, as well as other factors.

It is "reasonable" to say that one should wait for measurements before counting on a sub to produce a certain output, especially for a product that has not been professionally reviewed nor even testimonials posted from AVS members yet. I am uncomfortable with the idea of over encouraging non-AVS subwoofer enthusiasts looking for purchasing advice to take one for the team on a sub that has not been tried by others without letting them know that they are taking one for the team. Thus, it is fair for me to say, "I wouldn't count on it."

Rather than talking speculatively about output of your sub, post some frequency response measurements for your product on your website. Share some SPL measurements. You must have some. Maybe it's time to share. I'm one of those who thinks we should give manufacturers the benefit of the doubt on their measurements until proven otherwise. I would be happy to reference them.

Last, I might be the only one, but I do find it a little inappropriate that you would schlep your subs in a thread that is devoted to another sub manufacturer.

I agree with you Cel. The speculation about our subs performance did not come from me, I was merely trying to address the speculation.
I agree that testing and measurements are more useful than speculation but as I have stated before I would be more comfortable getting a 3rd party to do the testing and that is something we are actively persuing.

I meant no disrespect to Premier and apologize if any was taken. But I think me saying that I have recommended their products and even speculated a performance nod to the PA-150 at certain frequencies isn't me "schleping" my product at all. I was simply trying to provide insight as our product was brought up and speculated upon.

We are essentially in agreement and I meant no disrespect.
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