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I'm torn between going with the vtf-15h and the PSA XV15. Don't suppose any of you have experience with both? I feel this is one of those things where I can't really make a bad decision, I just want to make the best decision.

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I'm torn between going with the vtf-15h and the PSA XV15. Don't suppose any of you have experience with both? I feel this is one of those things where I can't really make a bad decision, I just want to make the best decision.

The VTF15h is easily a better sub. Hell, I think the VTF3 is a better sub, but the VTF15h is much better. Compare the measurements between the VTF15h and the XV15: much flatter response, fully half the compression, half as much distortion for the same loudness level, less group delay, and far superior long term output. The VTF15h's superior driver and large enclosure gives it a big advantage over the XV15. The VTF15h is more properly compared to the XS30. The XV15 is on the level of the VTF3, but I think even the VTF3 would have serious advantages over the XV15.
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Your best decision at that price point is DIY , which shady knows biggrin.gif
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Your best decision at that price point is DIY , which shady knows biggrin.gif

I find most people aren't open to DIY options, but yes, if you can build your sub, you will get way more bang for your buck.
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I'm torn between going with the vtf-15h and the PSA XV15. Don't suppose any of you have experience with both? I feel this is one of those things where I can't really make a bad decision, I just want to make the best decision.



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I did.

I would love your opinion on it. I don't see many people who have experienced both.

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The VTF15h is easily a better sub. Hell, I think the VTF3 is a better sub, but the VTF15h is much better. Compare the measurements between the VTF15h and the XV15: much flatter response, fully half the compression, half as much distortion for the same loudness level, less group delay, and far superior long term output. The VTF15h's superior driver and large enclosure gives it a big advantage over the XV15. The VTF15h is more properly compared to the XS30. The XV15 is on the level of the VTF3, but I think even the VTF3 would have serious advantages over the XV15.



And if you put 4 tires on the 15H it's big enough to use for a spare car biggrin.gif
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And if you put 4 tires on the 15H it's big enough to use for a spare car biggrin.gif


lol. Almost true. I have two of them and they take up most of the room.
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I would love your opinion on it. I don't see many people who have experienced both.



First off these are two capable subs produced by two nice guys (Tom V and the Doc), good guys to deal with for support and help. From my posts and joined date it's obviously that I just got into home theater at these levels after years of HTiB, but thanks to members of the forum I am happy with my set up now and waiting for the next upgrade. Room is 12 W X 21L X 8 H sealed.

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Okay now to the sub business; I was in the same position you are last year but after months of research and following shadyj and basshead81 battle out smile.gif with their passion for each company, I ordered XV15 after communicating with Tom V (again great guy to deal with). After calibration my AVR set the sub at -4db which I felt was not strong enough so I increased the LEF level in the AVR to 0, then started watching the 5 star bass movies I had. Truth be told the bass was awesome and the sub was pressurizing the whole room.

Then I throw in OHF with Monument scene (which we all know is one of the most challenging bass scenes in movies), I heard a port noise and it kinda killed it for me cos I hate port noise. I had to lower the LEF level in the AVR to get rid of the port noise which to me meant I needed more sub than the XV15 was giving me, so it was time to jump to the next level on the food chain which was VTF 15 or FV15.

I ordered the VTF15 and after calibration my AVR set the LEF at -7 which again I increased to 0, bass was awesome and best of all to me was no port noise listening at 0.0 (reference level). The only reason I return the XV15 was the port noise with a few scenes but overall a very capable sub.

PS: Is the VTF 15 a better sub? absolutely yes, buy what you can afford from XV15 to VTF15 to FV15HP ( I am very happy with my VTF 15 sometimes I feel like I should have jump one level higher with FV15HP but I am just gonna add another VTF 15.
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PS: Is the VTF 15 a better sub? absolutely yes, buy what you can afford from XV15 to VTF15 to FV15HP ( I am very happy with my VTF 15 sometimes I feel like I should have jump one level higher with FV15HP but I am just gonna add another VTF 15.


If you add another 15H, I can guarantee you that you won't think about that FV15HP again.
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I appreciate that review, one of he most useful I've gotten thus far. I'm leaning towards the Hsu. While the PSA looks awesome, I like the idea of being able to play around with ports and configure it to what rally sounds best in my room. The hsu just seems more flexible in that area.

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I appreciate that review, one of he most useful I've gotten thus far. I'm leaning towards the Hsu. While the PSA looks awesome, I like the idea of being able to play around with ports and configure it to what rally sounds best in my room. The hsu just seems more flexible in that area.



You can not go wrong at their price range, how big is your room?
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Room is a decent sized nightmare that opens to the rest of the house. However I expect to move in the next 2 years so I'm not using room size in my consideration as much as some.

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If you add another 15H, I can guarantee you that you won't think about that FV15HP again.


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The VTF15h's superior driver...

I'm a proud VTF-15H owner, but I think that's the first time I've heard all those words together in a sentence before.
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If you add another 15H, I can guarantee you that you won't think about that FV15HP again.

Yes two subs is huge. The performance in room you get from 1-2 is waaaayy bigger than adding 3,4,etc. Besides the obvious smooth consistent FR response I notice a bit more punch and depth.

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The new Riddick movie has a lot of punch; watched it tonight and it was really punching me in the chest on several occasions.

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Have a few questions for you guys. I've been making my way through the thread and am currently slogging through the whole Audioholics review debacle. Now I don't really want to get into reigniting what is clearly a very sore issue here, but what I am curious if there are other 3rd party reviews out there? I've found the one from Sound and Vision, but other then that I've not seen much. For those of you who have this sub, honestly how is the extension? I'm not necessarily looking for something that is going to play 10hz at 115db, but I would like to know if there is honestly anything usable with this sub under 25hz? Are there any problems with it being under powered? I'm not in love with a 350 watt amp, and frankly that has been something that has had me looking really hard at the PSA XV15. While eventually I would consider a MBM, that's not going to be soon (surrounds are in desperate need of love, so they come next), so at least for the foreseeable future I'll be running a single sub (unless I prove everybody wrong and my BIC F12 somehow works as a 2nd sub). Finally if there is anybody out there is upgrading from a sub similar to the BIC F12, how dramatic is the difference? I'm frankly expecting that this sub is going to make a huge impact, but I don't want to have my expectations too high.

Sub will be getting a corner placement, not really anywhere else it can go. The room itself is far less than ideal, that being said I'm trying to not factor in room acoustics in this buying decision. I expect to be moving in the next two years, at which point I would like to try and dedicate (or at very least something more dedicated than I have now) a theater. Current room is fairly open to the house. I will have it sitting on an Auralex Gramma ( to cut down some rattles). I'm torn between the VTF-15 and the PSA XV15. I like that the XV15 is down firing (I've got a kiddo on the way, and I have nightmares of a little finger poking through a paper cone on the HSU) and is basically built like a tank, also like the extra power. However as of right now the VTF-15 is in the lead. I love the control I would have (especially considering I expect to change rooms with the thing) and (other then professional reviews oddly enough) everybody seems to love the sub and say it does a great job. Any help would be great here, these both look like such fantastic subs that I'm pretty sure I can't go wrong.

If anybody in the Plano, Texas area has the VTF-15 and wants to show it off, don't be shy. smile.gif

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go to data-bass and see ricci's stuff. You can compare a VTF to many other subs he has down, all on equal footing, and you will see its quite a good sub. All owners know that.

The AH review is stale potatoes as far as Im concerned.

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Have a few questions for you guys. I've been making my way through the thread and am currently slogging through the whole Audioholics review debacle. Now I don't really want to get into reigniting what is clearly a very sore issue here, but what I am curious if there are other 3rd party reviews out there? I've found the one from Sound and Vision, but other then that I've not seen much. For those of you who have this sub, honestly how is the extension? I'm not necessarily looking for something that is going to play 10hz at 115db, but I would like to know if there is honestly anything usable with this sub under 25hz? Are there any problems with it being under powered? I'm not in love with a 350 watt amp, and frankly that has been something that has had me looking really hard at the PSA XV15. While eventually I would consider a MBM, that's not going to be soon (surrounds are in desperate need of love, so they come next), so at least for the foreseeable future I'll be running a single sub (unless I prove everybody wrong and my BIC F12 somehow works as a 2nd sub). Finally if there is anybody out there is upgrading from a sub similar to the BIC F12, how dramatic is the difference? I'm frankly expecting that this sub is going to make a huge impact, but I don't want to have my expectations too high.

Sub will be getting a corner placement, not really anywhere else it can go. The room itself is far less than ideal, that being said I'm trying to not factor in room acoustics in this buying decision. I expect to be moving in the next two years, at which point I would like to try and dedicate (or at very least something more dedicated than I have now) a theater. Current room is fairly open to the house. I will have it sitting on an Auralex Gramma ( to cut down some rattles). I'm torn between the VTF-15 and the PSA XV15. I like that the XV15 is down firing (I've got a kiddo on the way, and I have nightmares of a little finger poking through a paper cone on the HSU) and is basically built like a tank, also like the extra power. However as of right now the VTF-15 is in the lead. I love the control I would have (especially considering I expect to change rooms with the thing) and (other then professional reviews oddly enough) everybody seems to love the sub and say it does a great job. Any help would be great here, these both look like such fantastic subs that I'm pretty sure I can't go wrong.

If anybody in the Plano, Texas area has the VTF-15 and wants to show it off, don't be shy. smile.gif

In my room I use a octagonal Hexagonal, baby gate that is stretched out to block my kids from my screen, towers, center and sub. It is a big foldable plastic gate sold at Babies R Us and it has been a life saver! As for deciding between subs, well I have zero experience with PSA but they look like nice subs. I came from an old klipsch subwoofer bought from a B&M store and I will say this VTF was probably the best purchase I have made for my room. My room is a decent size and it still fills the room with bass. I will one day be buying another VTF and I will be pretty much done as far as subwoofers go.

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Have a few questions for you guys. I've been making my way through the thread and am currently slogging through the whole Audioholics review debacle. Now I don't really want to get into reigniting what is clearly a very sore issue here, but what I am curious if there are other 3rd party reviews out there? I've found the one from Sound and Vision, but other then that I've not seen much. For those of you who have this sub, honestly how is the extension? I'm not necessarily looking for something that is going to play 10hz at 115db, but I would like to know if there is honestly anything usable with this sub under 25hz? Are there any problems with it being under powered? I'm not in love with a 350 watt amp, and frankly that has been something that has had me looking really hard at the PSA XV15. While eventually I would consider a MBM, that's not going to be soon (surrounds are in desperate need of love, so they come next), so at least for the foreseeable future I'll be running a single sub (unless I prove everybody wrong and my BIC F12 somehow works as a 2nd sub). Finally if there is anybody out there is upgrading from a sub similar to the BIC F12, how dramatic is the difference? I'm frankly expecting that this sub is going to make a huge impact, but I don't want to have my expectations too high.

Sub will be getting a corner placement, not really anywhere else it can go. The room itself is far less than ideal, that being said I'm trying to not factor in room acoustics in this buying decision. I expect to be moving in the next two years, at which point I would like to try and dedicate (or at very least something more dedicated than I have now) a theater. Current room is fairly open to the house. I will have it sitting on an Auralex Gramma ( to cut down some rattles). I'm torn between the VTF-15 and the PSA XV15. I like that the XV15 is down firing (I've got a kiddo on the way, and I have nightmares of a little finger poking through a paper cone on the HSU) and is basically built like a tank, also like the extra power. However as of right now the VTF-15 is in the lead. I love the control I would have (especially considering I expect to change rooms with the thing) and (other then professional reviews oddly enough) everybody seems to love the sub and say it does a great job. Any help would be great here, these both look like such fantastic subs that I'm pretty sure I can't go wrong.

If anybody in the Plano, Texas area has the VTF-15 and wants to show it off, don't be shy. smile.gif

One VTF15h put out far more than THREE Polk PSW505's could muster, and they're rated at 300 watts each. It's a monster of a sub when you compare it to the smaller-mid size subs. You'll never know it's rated at 'only' 350 watts.

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I can definitely confirm that vtf15 wil put out below 20hz and shake your sofa as evidenced by playing bluray 'pulse', FOTP and war of the world.
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Max output at 20 hz is 104 db. 100 db at 16hz. That's max , so more likely 95-100db for a single hsu . In a room over 3000 sqft that's not rumbling the couch. With two that's still 10-15 dbs from reference . My one sub puts out 113 dbs at 18 hz.
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Well I just had to comment when someone says it can fill up a 5000 sqft room with sub 20 hz. It can't . It's promising something that won't happen. Rattling pictures can be done with low lfe quite easily. Pressurizing the room is another matter. What the hsu does do well is 30-80hz which is what it measures.
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Even the controversial audioholics review certified it for rooms up to 5,000cu ft.

http://www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-design/subwoofer-room-size

Rattling pictures never happened before the Hsu, nor did a couch that vibrates under my tuccus, or the feeling of my throat vibrating. You calling my throat and ass a liar!? tongue.gif

Define pressurizing and filling the room? Also define reference? Over 100db isn't enough for textbook reference? Isn't reference for most music 85db? Why is well over 100
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Max output at 20 hz is 104 db. 100 db at 16hz. That's max , so more likely 95-100db for a single hsu . In a room over 3000 sqft that's not rumbling the couch. With two that's still 10-15 dbs from reference . My one sub puts out 113 dbs at 18 hz.
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Not only do my two 15H's rumble the couch they shake everything else too. Charts and graphs are not a blanket statement for everyone, there are many more variables than a microphone and graphs, just sayin.
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Even the controversial audioholics review certified it for rooms up to 5,000cu ft.

http://www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-design/subwoofer-room-size

Rattling pictures never happened before the Hsu, nor did a couch that vibrates under my tuccus, or the feeling of my throat vibrating. You calling my throat and ass a liar!? tongue.gif

Define pressurizing and filling the room? Also define reference? Over 100db isn't enough for textbook reference? Isn't reference for most music 85db? Why is well over 100
DB needed??



Wow, that's a new phrase, lmto.
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