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Received mine last Saturday. Have been up and running since 3 days now. Like it very much so far. VTF-15H replaced my STF-2. currently running it in the sealed mode with Q=0.3. It blends very well with my overall system which consists of Energy RC-50s, Energy RC-LCR, Energy RC-Rs and Energy RC-Minis.

I read in one of the above posts that you get a demo disk with VTF-15H. I didn't receive any. Does it really come with one?

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Received mine last Saturday. Have been up and running since 3 days now. Like it very much so far. VTF-15H replaced my STF-2. currently running it in the sealed mode with Q=0.3. It blends very well with my overall system which consists of Energy RC-50s, Energy RC-LCR, Energy RC-Rs and Energy RC-Minis.

I read in one of the above posts that you get a demo disk with VTF-15H. I didn't receive any. Does it really come with one?

I believe you need to request one with your order. If you recieved one it would have been on the packing slip on the outside of the box.

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I believe you need to request one with your order. If you recieved one it would have been on the packing slip on the outside of the box.

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Did not know there is a demo disk that could be requested. Will call HSU and see if they can send me one. Thanks for the information

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Hi Pete

In your opinion is the vtf15 midbass good enough to replace a midbass specialist like mbm?

If not, do u think mbm will be a good complement to vtf15? Do u think they will integrate well?

The VTF-15H is good enough in the mid-bass where one may not feel a pressing need for an MBM. That said, in most rooms, the best place to reproduce deeper bass is typically different than the best place to reproduce mid-bass. So this is definitely an apples to oranges comparison, and may depend on the room size, room characteristics, and placement constraints too. I'd guess that most people who start with a single VTF-15H and want smoother response will end up getting a second VTF-15H as opposed to adding an MBM.

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I have been been switching and listening with the different modes over the last several weeks. For movies my favorite is two ports wide open and eq2 Q.3 running sub equal to mains (not running sub hot). I have a bit of a house curve at the low end that really gives me that startling rumble when the scene calls for it and I like. For music I just put the two ports in and crank the bass up 6-8 db in AVR (I enjoy boosted bass for my music as I have been into car audio for years). I have even enjoyed some styles of music with both ports open, but with kick drum and bass guitar I really like it sealed. With the levels I listen to the one port in doesn't work well for me as this beast of a driver, still within its limits, overpowers the one port and creates port noise around tuning. I have it between my left and center speaker about 16 inchs off side wall and love the output. However I now have this empty space on the other side that keeps whining at me to get a brother. So sometime next year I will probably have to get another.

I agree with everyone's stance on that this baby has the midbass up to the crossover point. I advise having good fronts to back this up. I have dual 8" in my towers and sit ~9-10 feet from them and the 15H and them seem to blend nicely. I don't know where they fall in the frequency, but the gunshots in Underworld were awesome. I have been watching my blu rays (ahhem and some HDDVD's) again and have probably already made it through like 30 movies. It has been a lot of fun so far and this sub is always there to impress!

Thanks for the feedback Luke! At moderate-to-higher playback levels with one port plugged, I suggest setting the Operating Mode switch to "EQ2" (and perhaps a low Q control setting too). This should give very low port noise even at loud listening levels.

On a side note for anyone using this subwoofer without the feet installed: make sure to cover up the two rear screw holes (the ones closer to the back of the unit, near the amplifier end) on the bottom of the enclosure with something like electrical tape to prevent air leaking from the enclosure.

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I received my sub last week but was out of town. Had the chance last night to uppackage it. It was funny when the Fexed driver 2 wheeler'd it to my door. He said what neighbors was I trying to piss off. The box is huge!!

For now I put it in the same spot as my former sub. Set it to Q2 and .3, Vol at noon.
On my AVR(Denon 2809) I switch the fronts from large to small. ( I am hoping I can run them harder for more midrange an high and not driving them for Bass.
Ultimately- I want to rerun audessey


Started with some music. Some top 40 pop. A few crazy song out there with some good bass.
Was listening loud. Bass was geat but I want more so I went to 2pm on the vol. That did the trick.

Then I popped in Transformers 2 Bluray in the ps3. I had to turn the vol. down to about 10AM.
The windows off the kitchen were vibrating in the opening credits.

Its is a beautiful unit!!! Still have to tweak the settings.

Here is a few pics of my former Mirage PS12-90 next to the VTF-15.

Dennis

This is awesome Dennis, thank you so much for posting your impressions, enjoy!

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Finally got the chance to set-up my 15H which was delivered Wednesday. This thing rocks or should I say shakes? I blew a clock off the wall during set-up (not good for WAF). I still need to work on location. I also found that I have some nasty room resonances and nulls, who doesn't. I have asked Santa for a BFD to help tame the room and integrate my subs.

I also have a second sub, a Klipsch RSW-12, that I have had in my Klipsch reference system. So far they have played reasonably well together, but a DSP 1124P should really get them working better with the room. I have tried only a few set-up combos, but so far I like one port open, EQ2 and Q= 0.7, I have a large room. My room dimensions are 19.5 x 25 with the vaulted ceiling starting at 8.5 increasing to 14.

Now it's time to go fool around with some [b]deep[b] bass.

Pretty cool Rick. One demo scene that shakes things like crazy in our demo room with the VTF-15H is from The Haunting where Catherine Zeta Jones and the other lady (?) are in the bedroom, and the doors to the bedroom shake violently. It comes to the point where one may need to start taping things down

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A quick graph with my newly arrived SMS-1.
I'm just running through the manual so not many adjustments made. What I find interesting is the graph changes from opening a door in the room.

Both ports open/ Q=0.7

That's right Jim, opening a door can change the longest room dimension, and can certainly affect the frequency response.

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Hello All,

My VTF-15H Rosenut arrived this morning while I was making my son breakfast . The Fedex guy knocked on our door(2nd story). "Thats a big sub!, can you help me carry it?"

So, I helped him carry it up a flight of stairs and took it into the living room. He offered to help me get it into our bedroom where it would be used. I knew it wouldn't fit as is so I graciously thanked him. He pointed out that there was a big gash in the box.

I removed the outer box in the living room then moved the inner box into the bedroom. The damage to the box punctured both the outer and inner box. No damage to the sub. If HSU would have packaged it any other way than they did I would expect damage would have occurred.

All I had time to do was pull out a plug (1 port open, EQ1, Q.3) and set the gain to 9 o'clock and listened to the HSU test cd very briefly. As it was, I showed up to work about an hour late so I couldn't get it properly level matched or do some real listening.

I am currently running a 3.1 setup. Recently got around to setting up our sound system in our bedroom. Surrounds will be going up soon.

Here are some pictures.

Daniel

Wow Daniel, glad to hear that the subwoofer arrived in good condition. I can see that you were able to squeeze the subwoofer into the space up front. How does it sound with driver/ports firing to the side? Have you had a chance to compare that orientation vs. having everything fire forward? Any thoughts on the various ported vs. sealed operating modes?

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No just waNT MORE POWER. I was going to buy my second 1 on friday but changeing my mind on vtf15

Hey Robert, nice to see you here, wow you want even more output huh? You really should consider a second identical true sub! Adding a second identical true sub will result in a true doubling of efficiency. This means that each sub only needs 1/4 of the amount of amp power to reach a given SPL level vs. a single sub, so the end result is much lower distortion and much higher headroom. Take one [VTF-15H] sub and lay it on it's side. Take the second sub, lay it on it's side, and stack on top of the first sub. That will maximize output, and look pretty cool too. Give me a call if you have any questions.

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Wow. Though I will admit the 350 watt(rms) amp was a bit of a turn off for me. I understand sub design has many other important factors besides wattage but 350 watts rms just seemed like the type of amp that would be mated to a efficient 12" sub with a highly sensitive driver not a big 15.

I wouldn't worry too much about amplifier specs. There are so many different ways that vendors will rate the amplifier that most of the time the ratings are not even directly comparable. For example, 350w continuous is not the same as RMS, as RMS can be quoted short-term too. Do note that the VTF-15H amplifier is a very high headroom amplifier, and can deliver quite a lot of power in short-term bursts. The real world output capability of this subwoofer is very very impressive!

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Got my VTF-15H last week and I finally had a chance to fully calibrate and set-up. WOW!!! I was anticipating a difference going from my dual Klipsch KSW-12s... but... WOW. Very satisfied with my purchase.

--joel

Thanks so much Joel, congrats on the new sub!

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At any rate, I am now back to a respectable 9 o'clock position and -1.5db setting on my receiver.and the room still shakes. The bird is happier though.

I love that note about the bird, Bill It's truly my pleasure to assist, thank you for everything. Wow, looks like things were shaking across the entire house, must have been incredibly intense! Good to hear that things are much more back to normal now

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Received mine last Saturday. Have been up and running since 3 days now. Like it very much so far. VTF-15H replaced my STF-2. currently running it in the sealed mode with Q=0.3. It blends very well with my overall system which consists of Energy RC-50s, Energy RC-LCR, Energy RC-Rs and Energy RC-Minis.

I read in one of the above posts that you get a demo disk with VTF-15H. I didn't receive any. Does it really come with one?

Thanks for the kind feedback mantrika! Have you had a chance to experiment between ported and sealed operating modes? Check the top of the outer shipping box in the FedEx pouch for the cd. This is provided with all VTF/ULS subs shipped within the USA.

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I wouldn't worry too much about amplifier specs. There are so many different ways that vendors will rate the amplifier that most of the time the ratings are not even directly comparable. For example, 350w continuous is not the same as RMS, as RMS can be quoted short-term too. Do note that the VTF-15H amplifier is a very high headroom amplifier, and can deliver quite a lot of power in short-term bursts. The real world output capability of this subwoofer is very very impressive!

Sincerely,

+1

I am really anxious to see the Audioholics Shootout publication on Monday next week...
Last time with the 3.3 they were impressed, I am quite sure they are even more impressed now, because of its performance vs price.
I see this sub, at least, as two 3.3 performance for the price of 1 and a fourth.

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The VTF-15H is good enough in the mid-bass where one may not feel a pressing need for an MBM. That said, in most rooms, the best place to reproduce deeper bass is typically different than the best place to reproduce mid-bass. So this is definitely an apples to oranges comparison, and may depend on the room size, room characteristics, and placement constraints too. I'd guess that most people who start with a single VTF-15H and want smoother response will end up getting a second VTF-15H as opposed to adding an MBM.

Sincerely,

Very good points. I was actually amazed at how the sound changed as I walked around the room; both in volume level and percieved frequency. One reason I want to get a sound level meter and mess about with settings and locations. As Pete says, the VTF-15H is plenty loud enough, but now I'm wanting another one to even out the sound throughout the room. The WAF will be a hard sell though after the bird cage incident.

Playing around with this thing is going to provide hours of entertainment. Make that days.
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I received my sub last week but was out of town. Had the chance last night to uppackage it. It was funny when the Fexed driver 2 wheeler'd it to my door. He said what neighbors was I trying to piss off. The box is huge!!

For now I put it in the same spot as my former sub. Set it to Q2 and .3, Vol at noon.
On my AVR(Denon 2809) I switch the fronts from large to small. ( I am hoping I can run them harder for more midrange an high and not driving them for Bass.
Ultimately- I want to rerun audessey


Started with some music. Some top 40 pop. A few crazy song out there with some good bass.
Was listening loud. Bass was geat but I want more so I went to 2pm on the vol. That did the trick.

Then I popped in Transformers 2 Bluray in the ps3. I had to turn the vol. down to about 10AM.
The windows off the kitchen were vibrating in the opening credits.

Its is a beautiful unit!!! Still have to tweak the settings.

Here is a few pics of my former Mirage PS12-90 next to the VTF-15.

Dennis

I had mine cranked up to around the 3 o'clock position and Pete Hsu advised that it is better to keep the knob on the subwoofer turned down and adjust the level from your reciever. Otherwise we run the risk of blowing transistors on the amp if the volume knob is left turned way up for an extended period of time. I think my house would blow up before the amp on this thing though. Maybe Pete can weigh in on this??
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I love that note about the bird, Bill It's truly my pleasure to assist, thank you for everything. Wow, looks like things were shaking across the entire house, must have been incredibly intense! Good to hear that things are much more back to normal now

Sincerely,

Ha Ha! It was freaking amazing fun. A great bonding experience with my son. I think he is going to come around more often to watch movies and play slammin base music. I don't know how long the bird will last though. It was kinda funny to see all the feathers floating around with the wife unit standing next to cage with hands on hips. Even she had to laugh...just a little bit.

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I had mine cranked up to around the 3 o'clock position and Pete Hsu advised that it is better to keep the knob on the subwoofer turned down and adjust the level from your reciever. Otherwise we run the risk of blowing transistors on the amp if the volume knob is left turned way up for an extended period of time. I think my house would blow up before the amp on this thing though. Maybe Pete can weigh in on this??

Yesterday, I tried to get to the max output levels out of it...but ear fatigue won...With both ports open it really feels like it has no limits.

With one port open, there was a scene that created port noise at loud levels.(Spiderman 3 when the sandman gets his conversion ino that weird rotating machine) Other than that...I have found no issues on any other scene.

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I spent a few hours playing with several different combinations and, given the settings everyone else has shared, it's surprising which combination gave me the flattest response. I'm running in conjuction with a nearfield VTF3.3.

Crossover @ 80Hz
1 Port Open
EQ1
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I have graphs for every combination of 1/2 ports open, EQ 1/2, and Q 0.3/0.5/0.7. I didn't try sealed mode. The two big dips at 31.5 and 56 Hz are present regardless of what I do.
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If you try 2 ports open Q@.7, EQ2, what is the response?

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If you try 2 ports open Q@.7, EQ2, what is the response?

Not much different at those frequencies.
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Not much different at those frequencies.

What program are you using to generate the graph VEXXD?

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What program are you using to generate the graph VEXXD?

A combination of Excel, my wife, and me yelling out SPL readings. I don't think she was too pleased with spending an entire Saturday afternoon manually entering readings for nine different combinations.

I'm using a Scosche SPL meter at the moment but am seriously considering picking up something else in the near future. I was looking for a quick fix and the Scosche was the only readily available meter in my area.
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So I guess there better be a dinner in store for your wife then.

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A combination of Excel, my wife, and me yelling out SPL readings. I don't think she was too pleased with spending an entire Saturday afternoon manually entering readings for nine different combinations.

I'm using a Scosche SPL meter at the moment but am seriously considering picking up something else in the near future. I was looking for a quick fix and the Scosche was the only readily available meter in my area.


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So I guess there better be a dinner in store for your wife then.

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+1

I am really anxious to see the Audioholics Shootout publication on Monday next week...
Last time with the 3.3 they were impressed, I am quite sure they are even more impressed now, because of its performance vs price.
I see this sub, at least, as two 3.3 performance for the price of 1 and a fourth.

+1
I also have been looking forward to the shootout results. I feel it is hard to beat this sub if big ported at ~$1000 is what you are looking for, and I think they will concur.
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I finally took the bait and ordered the vtf-15.
Had a little argument with wify but,i'll probably have to make up later down the road lol. should be here in a week or so!! wooo!
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I finally took the bait and ordered the vtf-15.
Had a little argument with wify but,i'll probably have to make up later down the road lol. should be here in a week or so!! wooo!

Congrats. BTW, if you think she's mad now, just wait until the entire house is shaking. You're going to be in the dog house for a long time

"What do you mean it's too loud? My ears aren't even bleeding yet!"

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