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post #811 of 5124 Old 12-29-2010, 06:59 PM
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I think the VTF-2 was released in 1999.

Yep, I still have one of the original VFT-2's. Well, actually I just gave it to my dad, but it's still in the family and running strong!
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Can any of the Canadian buyers of this sub tell me if they were hit with extra unreasonable fees. ie brokerage fees from fedex or other shipper, duties beyond the expected (was the sub considered USA made, or offshore) etc.
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Can any of the Canadian buyers of this sub tell me if they were hit with extra unreasonable fees. ie brokerage fees from fedex or other shipper, duties beyond the expected (was the sub considered USA made, or offshore) etc.
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Nothing unexpected. It was pricey to have it shipped to Canada but worth it imho.

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Nothing unexpected. It was pricey to have it shipped to Canada but worth it imho.

Jim

What exactly were the shipping and brokerage fees? If you don't mind.

NM I found out your charges from the HSU forum.

FYI there are border storage facilities in some areas.
For instance if you live in Alberta. http://www.attheborderstorage.com/Sw...l_Storage.html
Can save you hundreds if you are lucky enuf to have one near you.
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Triangle port design, reminds me of the predator gun A non-circular port is less succeptible (Sp?) to port turbulence...

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Can anyone compare the Klipsch RW12-d to the VTF-15H? Would it be a big step up or not so much?
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Can anyone compare the Klipsch RW12-d to the VTF-15H? Would it be a big step up or not so much?

There is no comparison. THe VTF-15H will eat the Klipsch for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
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There is no comparison. THe VTF-15H will eat the Klipsch for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

You forgot dessert.
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You forgot dessert.

And you forgot midnight snack

Funnily enough, the Klipsch went on sale at a certain site hours after OldSlow asked. Could probably get a trio if not quad subs for one 15h. I still think the 15h would own all four though...
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We watched Inception on Blu-ray last night and boy did it give my new VTF-15H a workout. More like the 15H gave my house a workout.

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Can anyone compare the Klipsch RW12-d to the VTF-15H? Would it be a big step up or not so much?

Yeah, well worht the upgrade. I had the RW-12D in my bedroom system and just upgraded to the VTF15H. It is not even close my friend, get the HSU. It really does make the Klipsch sound broke.
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You forgot dessert.

I also forgot brunch as well.
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That's probably why it is so big, it's been snacking on other subs....
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After some research and help from this forum today I pulled the trigger on the VTF-15H. I originally purchased an enitire set of B&W (CM8, CMC2, DS3 and 10" Sub) including the 10" sub wich did not perform and returned for my $1500 dollars back. Spoke to Peter which was more than willing to help. Very nice experience so far.. I am waiting for my tracking number so I can start counting the days. Updates to follow.. Thank you Guys for all your postings.
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^^
I just ordered the Onkyo 808, next is the sub--and I continue to lean towards the VTF-15H--hard to ignore with so many positive comments. The B&Ws will come later.

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I just ordered the Onkyo 808, next is the sub--and I continue to lean towards the VTF-15H--hard to ignore with so many positive comments. The B&Ws will come later.

I ordered dual 15H's last week for my 14x15 room and they should be here January 6. I had originally ordered a single PB13 Ultra to replace my PB12-NSD, but like you, I read so many positive comments about the 15H coupled with the fact that duals is almost always better than a single, It prompted me to cancel my Ultra order and order these for almost the same price. Thanks AVS!!!
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Yeah, well worht the upgrade. I had the RW-12D in my bedroom system and just upgraded to the VTF15H. It is not even close my friend, get the HSU. It really does make the Klipsch sound broke.

Gonna order it up real soon!
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ULS-15 or the VTF-15H....that is the question
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ULS-15 or the VTF-15H....that is the question

I've compared both.

There is no question.

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Seriuosly thinking about getting this animal, but there are few things Iam wondering...the numbers are really confusing me.

According to Pete, this does 114 db @ 20hz according to the guidlines by cea-2010. Which @ 2m would be about 108 db.

Now if I remember correctly somewhere in the ULS thread, the 3.3, according to Petes #'s, the 3.3 was 112 hz @ 20hz in MO mode, which would be 106 db. Don't remember any info on the other Hz's for the 3.3.

Now I have seen some charts the say the 3.3 MO is actually @ 101.3 db at 2m distance.

I have heard the 15h being compared to be on even keel with the pb13 @ 20hz but the numbers don't seem to prove this if the reading hsu did was similar to the 3.3 reading in the past.

Iam just trying to understand the #'s...Iam sure this is a big step up from the 3.3, but really how much. Iam sure it'll dig lower and louder...just confused. Iam not the sharpest tool in the shed when it come to this stuff...just trying to make sense of it all.
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Had this sub for a couple of weeks now and can't begin to say how impressed i am with it. It was an upgrade to an A2-300 and both the SQ and output are in a totally different class. I even run the sub in maximum extension mode which has the lowest overall output.

I haven't really been able to totally give it the beans because my roommates are acting like a couple of little *****'s whenever i start approaching -15 or above on the receiver.

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Can anyone provide some comparisons with the PB13? So far I was thinking that this was the sub that it most closely compared with. Can any confirm this or say which sub it performs closest to or is on par with?
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Looking at Audioholics review of the PB12-Plus, that may be the closer sub. I'm thinking the PB13 still has the edge.
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Looking at Audioholics review of the PB12-Plus, that may be the closer sub. I'm thinking the PB13 still has the edge.

I think your right. Although the pb13 is double the price....you could buy two of these for the price of one pb13.
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I've compared both.

There is no question.


Well whats your answer?
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Well whats your answer?

Check the beginning of the thread.

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Well, it appears that I may finally have a dual drive system that I can consider to replace my DT Trinity, as it appears it meets my 3 criteria:

1. Similar output....very important, as I'm soon moving to much larger space than my current ~2000^ area.

2. Under $2000
3. Comparable SQ.

I know some may even feel #3 will increase with (2) of these, but the Trinty has really sounded excellent in my room...compared very favorably with the Ultra when I had both simultaneously and the overall output of the Trinity definitely had an edge on the SVS.

With these numbers for the Trinity at 2M's, GP: Measured results ... 20 Hz: 109 dB ... 20-63 Hz average: 115.5 dB, I'm hoping two VTF's will measure up? I can hit ~120dbs at 10', in-room with my Trinity, currently.

I think I'm on the right track with two.

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With these numbers for the Trinity at 2M's, GP: Measured results ... 20 Hz: 109 dB ... 20-63 Hz average: 115.5 dB, I'm hoping two VTF's will measure up?

those types of measurements for the trinity are useless when comparing them to a sub that has it's driver and ports on the front baffle firing directly into the mic (vs the trinity's side firing passive radiators & higher 2nd driver)

to get a more accurate comparison of output, you would need to measure both in an actual room at the listening position

the trinity (and any other sub that has it's drivers/ports/passive radiators on anything other than the front baffle are getting short changed in GP tests

on another note, keep in mind that unless you plan on stacking, you're not going to get the full 6db increase in output from duals. especially in larger rooms

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those types of measurements for the trinity are useless when comparing them to a sub that has it's driver and ports on the front baffle firing directly into the mic (vs the trinity's side firing passive radiators & higher 2nd driver)

to get a more accurate comparison of output, you would need to measure both in an actual room at the listening position

the trinity (and any other sub that has it's drivers/ports/passive radiators on anything other than the front baffle are getting short changed in GP tests

on another note, keep in mind that unless you plan on stacking, you're not going to get the full 6db increase in output from duals. especially in larger rooms

I've already stated what my in-room response is, ATLP. The GP variety is simply another measurement.

The measured increase in SPL from a quad of PRs is debatable, but, judging from the GP measurements of the Trinity, the typical in-room response of traditional, front firing/ported designs, and those (in room) of the Trinity, I'm definitely on the more cautious side of what they add, SPL-wise.

I'm also aware of the coupling effects of dual/multi sub placment. I've yet to determine whether I'll stack or seperate them....that will depend upon the sound Q and measurements I achieve.

Regardless, whether I achieve a full 6db boost, or something in the 3-4 range, it appears that total output will be pretty comparable to the Trinty, based upon what others are measuring of one and/or two, in-room.


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I've already stated what my in-room response is, ATLP.

yup i saw that

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The GP variety is simply another measurement.

yes it is. but one that's useless unless you're comparing 2 subs of very similar designs for example, 2 front firing sealed subs. 2 front firing ported subs. a supercube 2 vs a supercube 3, an empire vs. submersive vs. CHT 18.2 etc.

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The measured increase in SPL from a quad of PRs is debatable, but, judging from the GP measurements of the Trinity, the typical in-room response of traditional, front firing/ported designs, and those (in room) of the Trinity, I'm definitely on the more cautious side of what they add, SPL-wise.

PR's are very similar to ports. they add a lot. especially at their tuning point

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Regardless, whether I achieve a full 6db boost, or something in the 3-4 range, it appears that total output will be pretty comparable to the Trinty, based upon what others are measuring of one and/or two, in-room.

i hope you're right. can't wait to see your results

by the way, not trying to get into a "whole thing" here. i just have a problem with GP tests when used to compare subs of varying designs

for example, if you were measuring a front firing ported sub outdoors and came up with X amount of decibels. then turned the sub sideways would those decibels drop ?

i think they would

but in an actual room it wont matter as much which is why i like to see subs all measured in the same room at the LP if possible

this is why the trinity didn't really glow in craigsubs outdoor measurements but when placed in his actual listening environment he was blown away by it's performance and it actually measured better on actual movie scenes than other subs did that had measured "louder" outdoors

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