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Not a bad marketing move if they market it correctly. Will be interesting to see how they adjust their "room size" equation. It's long been known that a smaller sealed sub is suited for smaller rooms, but they've always listed the ULS-15 as "Loudness level 4 - Huge rooms" even though this simply couldn't be true without significant boundary/room gain (which you won't get as much of in a "huge" room!).

Maybe they'll come out with "Loudness level 5 - Ginormous rooms" for the VTF-15H.

Only on AVS is a 19"x18"x20" subwoofer with a 15" driver that weighs 93 lbs. considered a "smaller" sub.

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Only on AVS is a 19"x18"x20" subwoofer with a 15" driver that weighs 93 lbs. considered a "smaller" sub.

Bless your heart.

I have to admit, even before i joined AVS i would of thought of a 20" cube as being a small/medium small sub for HT.

I've never been able to wrap my head around people wanting these ultra dinky subwoofers, especially when they'll be perfectly fine buying tower speakers that border on 5 foot tall and wieght 70+lbs each.

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I have to admit, even before i joined AVS i would of thought of a 20" cube as being a small/medium small sub for HT.

I've never been able to wrap my head around people wanting these ultra dinky subwoofers, especially when they'll be perfectly fine buying tower speakers that border on 5 foot tall and wieght 70+lbs each.

Exactly!

I helped a friend from work set up his first surround HT system last month, and that's exactly what happened with him too.

They just think the speakers look cool and fit in well, but a "large" subwoofer not so much.
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Only on AVS is a 19"x18"x20" subwoofer with a 15" driver that weighs 93 lbs. considered a "smaller" sub.

Bless your heart.

Hey.... at least I didn't call it "ultra dinky"!

 

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Sealed or ported does not matter. What matters is that they all use the same method of measurement.

Gotcha. I was assuming you were comparing the 2 subs output as well, but they have totally different frequency response and so won't match up at a given hz measurement. I see your point now.

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Not a bad marketing move if they market it correctly.

The more I think about it, the more I think the timing of having a big nasty ported 15 that looks decent trumps any cannibal concerns. You could always market the uls for "music lovers"

Heh I feel like the lawyer in Jurassic Park, "Yea, we could have a coupon day" like its any of my business.

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Will be interesting to see how they adjust their "room size" equation. It's long been known that a smaller sealed sub is suited for smaller rooms, but they've always listed the ULS-15 as "Loudness level 4 - Huge rooms" even though this simply couldn't be true without significant boundary/room gain

Or two or three of them.
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I've always thought it would be funny to put something really massive, like a pair of eD's A7-900's together, and then "decorate" (read: disguise) it as if it were instead a large chester drawer, etc. That way when someone is watching a movie with your super sexy thin "regular" speakers, and "no" subwoofer, and then they have heart palpitations when the bass hits, and start looking around wondering what is making nails shoot out of the drywall, you get to laugh your arse off.

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You could always market the uls for "music lovers"

As per Pete, it was designed for low bass. How is that not for movies as well? You must not have heard the ULS.
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Dear Hrimnir,

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If this is an introductory price can you confirm whether or not it will last until at least end of december?

I expect this pricing to be valid for at least the next six months, and possibly longer than that. "Intro" pricing is perhaps not the best choice of words on our part, but we did have a goal of "Stable" pricing, ie. on the day that one purchases the subwoofer, it should never go down in price in the future.

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Congrats to HSU for bringing out a great looking ported sub at a time when almost everyone else is following the sealed sub pack. I have no doubt it is a terrific performer. It looks to compete very favorably with the 13Ultra at a considerably lower price. It almost makes me want to buy something that I really do not need!

I really appreciate this mojomike, thank you very much! We made this product with you guys in mind at each step.

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Thanks for that.

Is there a photo of the satin black with the grill attached?

I'll have to ask around about that one...

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Hi moehop,

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i have dual vtf3mk2's placed nearfield directly behind my couch and have been very happy with this set-up any benefit to selling these and buying the single new sub?

Is there anything in particular that you find deficient or lacking with your current system?

Thanks

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I just ordered a satin black VTF-15H! Cross your fingers for me that the hype matches reality!

Thank you Mel, I hope that this exceeds your expectations!

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Dear Bill,

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Pete - Tweak City says that they use sine waves for output testing and HSU uses short bursts?

Tweak City using sine waves, not short term bursts. Tweak City measured the CS-18.2 doing 107 dB on a sine wave at 20 Hz, 2 meters outdoors. It was 85 degrees out, and the sinewave was held for about 20 seconds.

How does this output measurement compare to the VTF-15H output using your method of measurement.

Unfortunately there is no good way to compare these different data sets. The CEA2010 standard caps maximum clean output based on stepped harmonic distortion limits, weighted on the audibility of harmonics (ie. lower order harmonics are less objectionable than higher order harmonics, harmonic distortion at lower frequency test tones are less objectionable than harmonic distortion at higher frequency test tones, etc.). Considering the audibility of distortion, and considering that most bass program material is in the form of very short-term bursts, this is a pretty sensible standard for subwoofers. No standard is perfect, but this is a step in the right direction in my opinion.

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I expect this pricing to be valid for at least the next six months, and possibly longer than that. "Intro" pricing is perhaps not the best choice of words on our part, but we did have a goal of "Stable" pricing, ie. on the day that one purchases the subwoofer, it should never go down in price in the future.

Hope this helps

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You just made my day, and i was having a bad one too, so thank you.

On a side note, do you happen to have any pics of the satin black with the grill on?

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I think it looks very nice, sorry if I wasn't clear.

I hear you Tack, thank you for the kind words!

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Peter, looks like another great Design from HSU. With your customer service and support this will no doubt be a home run.

I can't thank you enough for all your support Bill, we really did obsess over this design for a long time!

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Not a bad marketing move if they market it correctly. Will be interesting to see how they adjust their "room size" equation. It's long been known that a smaller sealed sub is suited for smaller rooms, but they've always listed the ULS-15 as "Loudness level 4 - Huge rooms" even though this simply couldn't be true without significant boundary/room gain (which you won't get as much of in a "huge" room!).

Maybe they'll come out with "Loudness level 5 - Ginormous rooms" for the VTF-15H.

Very interesting that you mention this pbc! I asked our web developer a few days ago to remove the room size guideline from the VTF-15H webpage. To me, since this subwoofer has flexible enough operating modes and adjustable Q, it should actually sound really good in all room sizes.

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Only on AVS is a 19"x18"x20" subwoofer with a 15" driver that weighs 93 lbs. considered a "smaller" sub.

So true

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You just made my day, and i was having a bad one too, so thank you.

On a side note, do you happen to have any pics of the satin black with the grill on?

I owe all the thanks to you guys

I'll have to check our network for pics of Satin Black with the grille on. Just a friendly warning that our pics may not do the product full justice, as it looks really good in person.

P.S. My apologies for the rapid fire responses. I left the office today at about 9:30pm

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I have an old version of PSP and I cloned this, it looks like a$$ but you get the gist of it.


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You just made my day, and i was having a bad one too, so thank you.

On a side note, do you happen to have any pics of the satin black with the grill on?

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I owe all the thanks to you guys

I'll have to check our network for pics of Satin Black with the grille on. Just a friendly warning that our pics may not do the product full justice, as it looks really good in person.

P.S. My apologies for the rapid fire responses. I left the office today at about 9:30pm

See what happens when you make a product that ppl want. Congrats on the new sub. Looks like the two year R&D is paying off. Maybe in a week or two after things calm down, I'll call, and we can talk more in depth about the new sub.

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So true

hey Pete, how does the new sub in sealed mode compare to the ULS-15 performance wise and SQ ?

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I have an old version of PSP and I cloned this, it looks like a$$ but you get the gist of it.

Well done... Looks no different then the current marketing material.
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Sealed or ported does not matter. What matters is that they all use the same method of measurement.

Right and that measurement standard is CEA2010, Its not HSU that isn't using a standard

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Sealed or ported does not matter. What matters is that they all use the same method of measurement.

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Right and that measurement standard is CEA2010, Its not HSU that isn't using a standard

Right, one of the reasons the standard was setup was to make it easier for consumers to compare.

It isn't about one method being better than others as some might suggest, it is about measuring using standard practices.

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it's probably difficult to measure and compare a front firing sub to a sub that has dual opposed drivers

probably best to get them both in the same room and measure from the LP

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it's probably difficult to measure and compare a front firing sub to a sub that has dual opposed drivers

probably best to get them both in the same room and measure from the LP

By that same token, then you would also need to find the best location for each sub in the room as well.

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By that same token, then you would also need to find the best location for each sub in the room as well.


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While I'm still waiting delivery on my new ULS-15, I was wondering what you guys thought about mixing and matching a ULS-15 with the VTF-15H? Maybe get a bit more punchier in the mid-range? Would that be a good idea or probably just stick with ULS-15 DD? Keep in mind this is all theoretical. Don't have any upgraditis just yet. :P
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