I just wanted to take a moment to say thanks to all who have posted in this thread and the things I have learned as well as the entertaining verbal gymnastics. I enjoy it all. Whether in the heat of it or from behind the screen.
I tried to give back earlier by sharing my experience with specific power and IC cable suggestions but that didn't go over as well as I had hoped. So in another attempt to give back I hope this helps for some of you reading (I apologize in advance to the more knowledgeable):
Getting the most out of your subs with Audyysey:
Originally I joined this thread with interest in getting dual subs of this price range to replace my more expensive PB13 because I felt the sound in my room wasn't very good (not tight and had 2 lulls) in it's limited placement options and after trying many things assumed having dual smaller subs would fix the issues.
Then as I was reading through here and jumping around the AVS forum I stumbled upon a thread with specific instructions on how to set-up and run Audyssey on a processor. - PROPERLY.
It made a BIG difference and FIXED my issues. MUCH tighter base. I no longer detect obvious lulls. And the base doesn't overpower or isn't heard when it shouldn't. A punch to the stomach shouldn't sound or feel similar to a monster foot stomp. Also as a much appreciated bonus, the surround field has also stepped up. (It was already really good after all my tinkering, but has just improved further.
So as much as I would still love to try all of these subs, need has been replaced by desire.
The problem for novices and newbies (or even myself who since building 2 theaters that I think look and sound professional no longer consider myself a novice) is that instructions either on paper or in these threads are missing key information that increases the likely hood of failure.
An extreme example is someone who posts as a supposed helpful response like, "go diy, beats the snot out of any sub for the money". I find that almost completely unhelpful. It may be true if you know where to buy everything and which woofer to match with which amp and what size box to build with what wood, how much bracing, what kind of feet, down firing vs forward, what wiring, how to wire, insulation type, how much insulation, building a grill, grill cloth, how to affix the cloth, how to affix the grill, etc etc. Then one has to know how to set-up the slopes or something. I think. I don't imagine it's plug and play. Or which kits even would be helpful. You get the point.
In the Audyssey case we are informed that we need to take measurements from the seats. And which one to do first. That's about it. Since mics don't float, how? Hold it, sit in the seat with it on your head? Where do I go? Sit it on a mini tripod in the chair? I can't leave the room it makes noise that interferes as it starts to quick. I don't want to be in the way either. I've read I should leave the projector on as that's how you watch movies.
So without proper instructions I have always rested the mic on each sitting position chair back and lied down in front. And I leave the projector on. In the end I found it sounded a bit better for all other positions but didn't sound as good in the main seating position as opposed to measuring it once (or repeated 3 times) in the main seating position only. So for the last 3 years I've just measured from one seat back.
Well all of that is wrong. Setting it up properly is fully explained very well in the following link:http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...95421&page=191
Using a type of extendable tripod behind the seats extending in front of the seat, with the projector off and placing it in the positions in front and around the seating area as opposed to in each seat seemed to work wonders. (I imagine one could make some sort of diy wood extension or extendable tripod to put behind the seats rather than go out and buy one. I happen to have one from my photography business.)
Sorry if this is boring or redundant for many of you. For me, as someone who has never seen proper and specific instruction and diagrams covering all "assumed" information, it has made a big difference. I feel all who have payed for Audyysey should have the pleasure of using it properly to at least get their base and surround field to a great starting point.
I will point out as mentioned in the guide, that I did at first think it sounded less impactful. The base was clearly tighter along with a fuller surround field, but with the sub not going off all the time, and when it's not supposed to I thought something was missing. But as suggested I gave it a few days. And in that time I have learned to appreciate not having the sub pounding where it shouldn't. And when it does go off, it's awesome. Like it used to be in my bigger theater with better acoustic treatments. I don't miss it as much anymore.
So, thanks everyone for all your input and comments and to the brothers for inventing a new avenue for testing subs. You also have filled in blanks other reviewers ignore or only touch on at best. And if there's anything I have learned in all this it's that a sub can sound all kinds of different depending how you set-it up. It's like having many different subs. Not to mention having ports as options. But regardless of the testing methodology you have learned about and the importance of room effects on a sub, I'm sure everyone would have asked which sounded better to you in your room anyway. And still do.
Man, I can be long winded. Must be my desire to fill in the blanks.