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Which to pick, 1 or 2. Ummm
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I'm a big believer in science, and that adding to the cumulative wealth of knowledge in any subject is a good thing, especially when there are questions of particular claims. ...
I don't dispute that, but my question remains: Why was Josh testing that sub now?

Is it because Craig finally sent him the sub to test, even though it's no longer in production, and insisted that it be tested? Or because Josh is running so far behind on his work that he only just now got around to it? Or because Josh happened to have one lying around and, just for kicks, he decided to put it through its paces?

Maybe he'll chime in and provide some insight. Regardless, it is interesting to finally see the sub tested.


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Craig told me long ago that his 18.2 would hit 104-106 dBs at 20hz and 92-93 dBs at 10hz. That does not seem to be too far off?
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I read over Josh's results and the sub would be good for a small to medium room. This sub got a passing grade at 12.5 Hz. Yes the sub was under stain pushing 140 V. How many HT push that much power. Chase has moved on and so should some of these people . The bottom line on the one GTG is that the subs were not properly setup!!!

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I don't dispute that, but my question remains: Why was Josh testing that sub now?

Because I asked him...nicely. smile.gif

I still have four of these subs and live about 2 hours from Josh....I wanted to see it tested and added to the data-bass and told Josh to go to town on it. No worries if it blows up as I have moved on from this sub. I struggled for a solid year trying to make this work in my 3000cf theater room and one look at the results shows me I had ZERO chance of making this sub work as a home theater system at reference level. All of the big bass movies killed this sub in my room with my taste in bass.

Also, now we will see if the "new" subwoofer offered by Chane is any better. CHT said over and over they were going to send this sub in for testing and never did...so it is up to Chane to send a sub to Josh to prove that they are offering a "better" sub.
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One more thing as I own both of these drivers...



The SI-18 sub times four is a big upgrade over the four CHT 18 subs for less money...




The UXL-18 subs are in another galaxy compared to the CHT subs for a little more money...
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Because I asked him...nicely. smile.gif
That's a good enough reason for me! smile.gif
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I struggled for a solid year trying to make this work in my 3000cf theater room and one look at the results shows me I had ZERO chance of making this sub work as a home theater system at reference level.
I keep feeling that I'm missing something with my two SS-18.1s in my ~3,400 cu.ft. room, and now I'm wondering again whether PSA's new XV15se's might be an improvement. Any thoughts on the XV15se's vs. the SS-18.1s?


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I keep feeling that I'm missing something with my two SS-18.1s in my ~3,400 cu.ft. room...

Watching movies?.... yes, you are missing quite a bit if you want to reproduce what is on the disc at realistic levels. BTW, adding two more SS-18.1 subs doesn't help as I tried that!

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I haven't had the opportunity to hear any of the PSA subs....sorry!
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That's a good enough reason for me! smile.gif
I keep feeling that I'm missing something with my two SS-18.1s in my ~3,400 cu.ft. room, and now I'm wondering again whether PSA's new XV15se's might be an improvement. Any thoughts on the XV15se's vs. the SS-18.1s?

Eljay, I have not heard the SS18.1's, but based on output, it should be a massive upgrade in the low bass department.  The SS18.1's hit 98 dB at 20 Hz.  The new XV15's are around 108 @ 20 based on internal testing.  From what I can see, the XV15se is up an average of over 8 dB from 20-31.5 Hz.  I was also very impressed with their mid and upper bass output for music.  I show the SS18.2 to be up 3 dB 40-63 Hz, but that does not surprise me as the testing indicated very high output in that region from the 18.1  So it looks like down 3 dB up top(do you need that or will you miss it?), but up a ton down low for movies.

 

I played(among quite a few others), the OHF Washington Monument scene, and was VERY impressed with the performance of the xv's, drastically higher LFE effect than I have ever experienced before.

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I don't dispute that, but my question remains: Why was Josh testing that sub now?

Because I asked him...nicely. smile.gif

I still have four of these subs and live about 2 hours from Josh....I wanted to see it tested and added to the data-bass and told Josh to go to town on it. No worries if it blows up as I have moved on from this sub. I struggled for a solid year trying to make this work in my 3000cf theater room and one look at the results shows me I had ZERO chance of making this sub work as a home theater system at reference level. All of the big bass movies killed this sub in my room with my taste in bass.

Also, now we will see if the "new" subwoofer offered by Chane is any better. CHT said over and over they were going to send this sub in for testing and never did...so it is up to Chane to send a sub to Josh to prove that they are offering a "better" sub.


We'll see. Jon offered to post any graph of his "new" sub. When he was asked to he took off screaming like a girl. He went from "I got lots of graphs" to a whole lot crap

It will be a while. Look how long it took cc to his get one of his subs done.
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Watching movies?.... yes, you are missing quite a bit if you want to reproduce what is on the disc at realistic levels. ... I haven't had the opportunity to hear any of the PSA subs....sorry!
No problem, and thanks for your thoughts. smile.gif
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Eljay, I have not heard the SS18.1's, but based on output, it should be a massive upgrade in the low bass department. ... it looks like down 3 dB up top(do you need that or will you miss it?), but up a ton down low for movies.
That sounds like what I'm missing. I think I need to talk to Tom V. in the near future. Thanks for your thoughts, too. smile.gif


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That's a good enough reason for me! smile.gif
I keep feeling that I'm missing something with my two SS-18.1s in my ~3,400 cu.ft. room, and now I'm wondering again whether PSA's new XV15se's might be an improvement. Any thoughts on the XV15se's vs. the SS-18.1s?

the XV15se would have a huge advantage around the tuning point. Probably will be down a few db up top and not extend as deep. I would be willing to bet that you would gain 5-8db in the 16-30hz range over your current setup. That is a ton of headroom smile.gif

I just watched Pompeii @ -2 MV and my 3 XV15se were amazing. Clean, deep, hard hitting, and not a hint of port noise...of course I did not get to experience the entire disc being the track digs to 1hz, but I am content with solid 15hz on up. smile.gif
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That's a good enough reason for me! smile.gif
I keep feeling that I'm missing something with my two SS-18.1s in my ~3,400 cu.ft. room, and now I'm wondering again whether PSA's new XV15se's might be an improvement. Any thoughts on the XV15se's vs. the SS-18.1s?

Eljay that is a large room and vented subs will serve you better. The PSA vented sub would be an excellent choice. Best of luck Eljay!
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Eljay that is a large room and vented subs will serve you better. The PSA vented sub would be an excellent choice.
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the XV15se would have a huge advantage around the tuning point. Probably will be down a few db up top and not extend as deep. I would be willing to bet that you would gain 5-8db in the 16-30hz range over your current setup. That is a ton of headroom smile.gif
I think I can afford to lose a bit of output higher up, in exchange for more output down to 20Hz and below. My old SVS PB12-NSD used to roll off at ~18Hz and my current subs roll off at ~17Hz, so I don't expect to get any more extension from a pair of XV15se's.

But if I can get more overall output, especially down low - AND retain the "tight" / "musical" qualities of the SS-18.1s (something I like, and something I found lacking in the PB12) - then they do sound like a good way to go.

Thanks for the input, guys. smile.gif


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I have not read all the posts here (been gone from AVS for a while) but correct me if I am wrong.

The accusation is that part used on CHT subs are Chinese. That is the Cliff's Notes version.

It is driven by he assumption that things made in China tend to be junk.

Yes, there is a large degree of truth there. However, the problem stems more from oversight that geography.

Lets use clothes and furniture as an example. Clothes made in China tend to have an unpleasant rough texture, and fall apart quickly. Furniture made in China usually falls apart ate 1 year of use (which is the warrantee period).

American made clothes are superior as are European. Fabrics made in India and other countries. However, there are a few places in China, where rigourous ovesight of contruction produces bette quality clothes. I have Handcock and Moore HT seats. They are hand made in America and superlative quality. They are expnsive. If you get Italian leather, you will pay more than $5k pr chair.

I paid $3.6k, and the leather was tanned in China. However, H and M oversight rejects all but top quality, so the Chinese leather is butter soft. Chairs are 3 and going strong

Lest apply the argument to subs: CHT may use parts made in China (as do many, many others) but assembly is done here, yes?
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It's not been my impression that the knock on their subs had anything to do with Chinese sourced sub components.

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It's not been my impression that the knock on their subs had anything to do with Chinese sourced sub components.
I have been gone a while. I remember all the vitriol back when the comparisons were done. Since then (3 years) I have simply been enjoying my system.

6 18 inch subs was a bit of overkill, but sailing has been smooth. Subs still running well, rarely do they even break a sweat..

At that time, I was also looking at the e. design subs. They have been plagued with problems, so I made the right choice.

Has CHT gone out of business? The forum is gone, yes?
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Chase and TAI joined forces and is now known as Chane. ED went belly up and so did Epik. More folks got shafted on the former.

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Chase and TAI joined forces and is now known as Chane. ED went belly up and so did Epik. More folks got shafted on the former.
I considered a sub (subs) from E Designs. Fortunately I went with CHT. I now see story after story about ED (lol) subs malfunctioning after a short period of ownership.

There has always been some strong (and obsessive, remember FL Pool Boy) critics of CHT, but my experience has been completely positive.
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FWIW:

- Overall, my experience with the gear I bought through ChaseHT has been good, too.

- I can't say I'm a big fan of Craig or his style, but aside from one major customer complaint (whose validity, IMO, was questionable), both Craig and ChaseHT had a solid CS record. (And I haven't read about any issues with Chane so far.)

- FPB seemed to have an irrationally compulsive and comprehensive hatred of everything ChaseHT (company, products and owner). AVS cut him a surprising amount of spleen-venting slack.


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I considered a sub (subs) from E Designs. Fortunately I went with CHT. I now see story after story about ED (lol) subs malfunctioning after a short period of ownership.

There has always been some strong (and obsessive, remember FL Pool Boy) critics of CHT, but my experience has been completely positive.
Read this story which will give some insight as to why ED started putting out sh!t and eventually went belly up, http://www.newtonindependent.com/new...p-communi.html

The lawsuit appears to be dead in the water as Alex and Matt filed for bankruptcy.

WRT FPB, a very brief synopsis is that his subs did not perform as expected and that was tied to his measurements which did not support CHT's. The latter values if you'll recall tended to not be written in stone. Recently, another owner of the same sub sent it to Josh Ricci and his measurements supported FPB's, so there you go. My take on this is that Craig did not keep accurate records when it came to measurements and published some erroneous ones with questionable explanations. I don't see this happening with the Chane partnership. From all accounts, the new subs are quite well built and finished. Now this doesn't mean that all owners of the earlier iterations are displeased but I trust you understand.

Eljay, from talking to someone who saw those subs you were talking about at a GTG (they eventually wound up in tess's hands), they were pretty beat up looking.

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Eljay, from talking to someone who saw those subs you were talking about at a GTG (they eventually wound up in tess's hands), they were pretty beat up looking.
I don't question that the subs were beat up - I question the customer's story about how they got that way.


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I am amazed at all the folks that can't let go of the past. I am glad not to waste anymore time on that old stuff. The past can't change for the anyone that felt they were treated wrong on the forum or disappointed that brought the small sealed sub and there, is so much more exciting stuff going on at Chane, PSA, Reaction Audio, or DIY that should make for better reading.

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I don't question that the subs were beat up - I question the customer's story about how they got that way.
Under the presumable oversight of his brother and a lack of rigorousness WRT GMP. Bear in mind there was a lot of inconsistency back in the day. Another possibility is that Adrian Peterson got a hold of it but I haven't heard anything from Godell on this.

That was then. Now, things are different and there doesn't appear to be any reason for previous concerns. I wish them luck.

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That was then. Now, things are different and there doesn't appear to be any reason for previous concerns. I wish them luck.
I agree.


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I have gotten nothing but superb performance from my CHT subs. I did not use Audessy to tune them, I had a pro come in (with about $15k in measuring equipment).

If there is a flat spot, I sure as hell can't find it. I can run someone out of the room with 6 of these bad boys, and they system does not even break a sweat. They are not the prettiest (and are situated so that they are fairly well out of site).

I can't remember how much I paid, but they were very inexpensive in regards to what they produce.

As I have said before, you can get quality stuff from China via stringent production oversight. And the subs are assembled here, (USA) yes?

Here is an analogy: I have many pairs of running/workout shoes from New Balance. They have stuff made completely in China (which I never buy). They have shoes made in America, which are very high quality.

Then they have stuff with materials made in China, but the shoes are assembled in the USA. These hybrids are also of very high quality.

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Read this story which will give some insight as to why ED started putting out sh!t and eventually went belly up, http://www.newtonindependent.com/new...p-communi.html

The lawsuit appears to be dead in the water as Alex and Matt filed for bankruptcy.

WRT FPB, a very brief synopsis is that his subs did not perform as expected and that was tied to his measurements which did not support CHT's. The latter values if you'll recall tended to not be written in stone. Recently, another owner of the same sub sent it to Josh Ricci and his measurements supported FPB's, so there you go. My take on this is that Craig did not keep accurate records when it came to measurements and published some erroneous ones with questionable explanations. I don't see this happening with the Chane partnership. From all accounts, the new subs are quite well built and finished. Now this doesn't mean that all owners of the earlier iterations are displeased but I trust you understand.

Eljay, from talking to someone who saw those subs you were talking about at a GTG (they eventually wound up in tess's hands), they were pretty beat up looking.
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