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Old 03-11-2012, 07:46 PM
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the last airbender should be on this list. I'd vote no lower than 4.5 stars for the lfe in this one. The movie itself is bleh but i've seen worse.

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Old 03-11-2012, 10:42 PM
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Thanks for posting this.

As I said about 2 months ago and warned everyone about Immortals

Glad you enjoyed the LFE!!

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EQ has nothing to do with it. The tapped horns are capable of sustaining 125dB at listening position. Anytime there's really loud 14-15Hz content near or above reference, it gets that door flapping. Movies don't often do that, but this movie did. Speaking of which...

Immortals - DVD, Dolby Digital

Yep, it's a five star. No question at all. Same method I always use - rip the audio off the disc, transcode it to wav files via Hypercube, play back the LFE wav file through the UCA222.

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The water scene with Poseidon sounded like it was about to destroy my speakers and subs lol

I don't have a sub yet (F15HP on order). This scene and the movie in general made my RF-7 II's sound like dog *(@*#@. They were bottoming out every other minute. This movie has a ridiculous amount of bass. And my speakers aren't bass wimps!
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Craig, thank you for the kind words.

You state your room should be used for monitoring of LF/LFE (jokingly or not),...it would do the industry professional good to take a finished mix, and check to hear how it translates over a capable, calibrated system,...in an HT environment that possesses adequate bottom octave resolution and capability at reference levels, w/ample headroom to facilitate a low distortion rendering across the entire spec.

This translation check is oft mentioned in the music studio/mastering world, whereby the engineer listens to the creation in the car, the home, over a boom-box, clock radio, etc., why not employ such a technique with HT releases? Perhaps they do employ such checks, as it doesn't make sense otherwise. Then again, making a mistake by cutting out the fantastically realistic ULF/LF wallops that accompany the artillery scenes in M&C, certainly doesn't make sense either. Clearly, in my opinion, if the dubbing stage LF system possessed ample capability for playback of the intended effect, I would think they could've heard the difference in ULF/LF energy.

All said, I know very little regarding their standards and best practices etc.



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How much content below 20 Hz? Irrelevant.
Is it noticeable to 'most'? Irrelevant.
Percentage of systems that can reproduce that content? Irrelevant.

The only question worth addressing is; Is the system accurately reproducing the content? If not, opinions on the 1st 3 octaves of content are as silly as it gets. It's exactly like if a blind member continually posted why the color red isn't necessary because it would be least favorite color if he could see and because he believed most things aren't red anyway.

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We enjoyed the release entitled "In Time", last night. Enjoyable, and the sound was really nice. Very sparse ULF usage, but well executed. However, similar to Open Range, the soundtrack gunfire is truly superb. The various shots have different characteristics, but some of them are really nicely done. They have a quick, tight, concussive wavefront, and a nice component of LF that's just bad-ass. Very effective.

Sound Design, Supervising Editor, and Re-Recording Mixer, are all Michael Babcock. I mention this because upon determining if I like the over-all soundtrack/sound design/effects, I typically determine who had their hand in on the effort. I learned Babcock has been involved with, in a more ancillary manner, The Dark Knight, War of the Worlds, and Transformers. For me,...I like restraint, or judicious use of the big effects. So was the effort in this release. I did detect some harshness/clipping maybe in the CC. Whether that was on the disc, or not I can't say for sure. Returned the disc after we viewed it so no second look.

I would enjoy seeing the spectral content of the handgun shots. Anyone have the opportunity to check this out? Did you like the gun-fire?


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Agreed on the gunshots in "In Time". When we jump in our seats, we know they did it right! I don't understand why some of these effects can't be patterned more. There should be known formulas for getting it "right".

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Check out the latest Three Musketeers blu ray. It has awesome LFE. :O
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The movie I Melt With You.... Wierd, dark, depressing, yet it had some bass that i wasn't expecting.
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Sound Design, Supervising Editor, and Re-Recording Mixer, are all Michael Babcock. I mention this because upon determining if I like the over-all soundtrack/sound design/effects, I typically determine who had their hand in on the effort. I learned Babcock's work includes The Dark Knight, War of the Worlds, and Transformers. For me,...I like restraint, or judicious use of the big effects. So was the effort in this release. I did detect some harshness/clipping maybe in the CC. Whether that was on the disc, or not I can't say for sure. Returned the disc after we viewed it so no second look.

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For the records, Michael Babcock was not a mixer, sound designer or supervisor on TDK, WOTW or Transformers... while he did work on them, he was only an editor and did some additional sound design..

Not to slight his contributions, but on those films it wasn't nearly as involved as it was on "In Time."
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For the records, Michael Babcock was not a mixer, sound designer or supervisor on TDK, WOTW or Transformers... while he did work on them, he was only an editor and did some additional sound design..

Not to slight his contributions, but on those films it wasn't nearly as involved as it was on "In Time."

You're absolutely right,..and perhaps I should've noted that and been more clear.

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However, they're down 4 dB @ 23 Hz. I wonder how they get 10 Hz and lower out of those subs.

I'm sure the 136 db max has something to do with it. Even if you drop off 30 db from peak at 10hz that's still 106 dbs... with one sub. The DTS-20 has the same deal, I believe, not rated very low (on its +/- scale) but it can still GO low just because it has insane levels of output.

Though I imagine they system may not actually be getting useful output at 10hz, but I'm sure it has decent output in the teens.
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I just watched X-Men: First Class this last weekend and I most certainly agree with its present 4.5 Star Rating. Comparing it with Immortals, I do believe Immortals has *more* LFE moments, and that they go lower at times. Thus I believe it deserves a 5 Star Rating.

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Watched The Troll Hunter again late last night. It is SUCH a fun movie!
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I just watched X-Men: First Class this last weekend and I most certainly agree with its present 4.5 Star Rating. Comparing it with Immortals, I do believe Immortals has *more* LFE moments, and that they go lower at times. Thus I believe it deserves a 5 Star Rating.

To add to this, I watched War of the Worlds last night for the first time since I built the second tapped horn.

WotW is still the top dog, but Immortals is really not that far behind. At least, for my system. Still very much at five stars on it.
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Watched The Troll Hunter again late last night. It is SUCH a fun movie!

I had never heard of it, but just saw it on netflix. I'll give it a geaux. Of course, streaming won't get my subs singing.

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To add to this, I watched War of the Worlds last night for the first time since I built the second tapped horn.

WotW is still the top dog, but Immortals is really not that far behind. At least, for my system. Still very much at five stars on it.

Agreed!

Spoiler alert!

Hey, can someone do a waterfall for Immortals and the scene right after the king releases the titans. It shows Thesius lying down and there is some low stuff going on.

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I had never heard of it, but just saw it on netflix. I'll give it a geaux. Of course, streaming won't get my subs singing.

It was on one of the movie channels so I recorded it on my DTV DVR in DD, but haven't watched it yet. Hope the plot is as good as the bass .


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It was on one of the movie channels so I recorded it on my DTV DVR in DD, but haven't watched it yet. Hope the plot is as good as the bass .


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Hey, can someone do a waterfall for Immortals and the scene right after the king releases the titans. It shows Thesius lying down and there is some low stuff going on.

Pfft. That scene only has extension to about 2Hz or so. DVD version again:







I may be in love with this movie.
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To add to this, I watched War of the Worlds last night for the first time since I built the second tapped horn.

WotW is still the top dog, but Immortals is really not that far behind. At least, for my system. Still very much at five stars on it.

I have NOT seen WOTW since I bought my SVS PC12-NSD sub, but I'm hoping to see it in a few days. I'll chime in after the credits roll.

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Thanks man, I knew it was ultra deep because it was not loud , just that feeling of doom kind of sensation.

The one thing about movies like Cloverfield and WOTW is that not only do they have that low stuff they have very loud 20-40hz bass as well which will rattle your teeth! The best part is that they seem to do it at almost all action sequences which other movies don't. TIH and Tron does very well too! Many other movies will have a few scenes so guys remember the best 5 stars will do it all movie long!

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War horse seems to dig quite deep as well...
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War horse seems to dig quite deep as well...



You must be unique! It's not out on disc yet.


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War horse seems to dig quite deep as well...

Yes it does!!watched it yesterday,and the LFE was great..from the gallop of the horses to the explosions in the battlefield it digs quite deep.Sound is exactly like saving private ryan,also mixed by Gary Rydstrom..
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Yes it does!!watched it yesterday,and the LFE was great..from the gallop of the horses to the explosions in the battlefield it digs quite deep.Sound is exactly like saving private ryan,also mixed by Gary Rydstrom..


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I have NOT seen WOTW since I bought my SVS PC12-NSD sub, but I'm hoping to see it in a few days. I'll chime in after the credits roll.

You're in for such a treat.

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Great. Now you guys have me all worked to go buy Immortals and an excuse to upgrade the sub... thanks..

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That scene in X-MEn First Class where Magneto moves the SatDish got one of my outlaws to make 2 barely audible thumps. Panic?

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

Must..stop...buying...every bluray release...
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Don't panic. Upgrade.
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Don't panic. Upgrade.

Damn it hahah

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

Must..stop...buying...every bluray release...
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I took my daughtr to see Journey y'day at a nearby cheapo theater ( not worth the xtra Warren $$ for that flick) and noticed plenty of lfe content (theater had weak subs however) in the movie particularly in the final 20 minutes.......... NO surprise after seeing RANDY THOM'S name in the credits! Not a movie that will entertain anyone over 14 or so but the br lfe is gonna be tight!!
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