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Wow..... Watching the new Underworld now. Crazy LFE!
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Wow..... Watching the new Underworld now. Crazy LFE!



How are all you guys getting copies that haven't been released yet? I'm lucky to get them on a timely bases when they come out from Netflix or Block Buster!



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How are all you guys getting copies that haven't been released yet? I'm lucky to get them on a timely bases when they come out from Netflix or Block Buster!



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I know a guy who knows a guy who gets releases a few days early.
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Also,

I had to stop watching the movie about 30 mins into it as I was shaking the house too much, too late at night(according to the GF)....
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I know a guy who knows a guy who gets releases a few days early.


You mean more like a few weeks. Underworld isn't due for release until May 8th.



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Not quite my friend.

Unless you work for the studio or own an officially released copy, what is it?

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That graph looks like what I thought I heard....not anything low.

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That graph looks like what I thought I heard....not anything low.

I just watcdhed Mission Impossible last night and thought it was quite good. As you said, I thought the LFE was good but not drywall bending. The Kremlin explosion was deep but there was no reason for me to get worried about the well being of my subs. I don't think this movie should be placed very high on the list. Even the hole in the floor explosion scene was not that thrilling to me. ( 3.5 stars )

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Solid 4 stars for MI4 IMO. One of the best all around tracks I have heard this year though.

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I just watcdhed Mission Impossible last night and thought it was quite good. As you said, I thought the LFE was good but not drywall bending. The Kremlin explosion was deep but there was no reason for me to get worried about the well being of my subs. I don't think this movie should be placed very high on the list. Even the hole in the floor explosion scene was not that thrilling to me. ( 3.5 stars )

My thoughts exactly.
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I just finished MI4 a second time. Definitely cream of the crop as an overall track!

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Wow..... Watching the new Underworld now. Crazy LFE!

do you need to have seen the previous ones for this movie to make sense?

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Even the hole in the floor explosion scene was not that thrilling to me. ( 3.5 stars )

Maybe you need new subs.

Because the "hole in the floor explosion scene," was EXTREMELY thrilling to me!
I could "feel" the bass energy, as my entire home theater shook.
This, with only two budget priced, lowly, BIC America F12 subwoofers in my HT.

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do you need to have seen the previous ones for this movie to make sense?

I might blind buy it

I don't think so. They give a small recap of past events at the beginning of the movie. You will certainly be up to full speed if you've seen the others, but definitely not a requirement.
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Maybe you need new subs.

Because the "hole in the floor explosion scene," was EXTREMELY thrilling to me!
I could "feel" the bass energy, as my entire home theater shook.
This, with only two budget priced, lowly, BIC America F12 subwoofers in my HT.

I can only imagine, what that scene would have been like, with two real subs,
like the Velodyne Digital Drive Plus 18 18" Subwoofer.

(4.5/5)

I have an eD a7-450 and it wasn't very impressive to me. I'd give it a 3.5 or a 4.
It just didn't dig deep enough for me. The soundtrack was amazing though!
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Maybe you need new subs.

Because the "hole in the floor explosion scene," was EXTREMELY thrilling to me!
I could "feel" the bass energy, as my entire home theater shook.
This, with only two budget priced, lowly, BIC America F12 subwoofers in my HT.

I can only imagine, what that scene would have been like, with two real subs,
like the Velodyne Digital Drive Plus 18 18" Subwoofer.

(4.5/5)

I'm running a pair of capable subs and that scene was just average for me. Every room will have different frequencies where it performs best. But I have noticed a phenomenon when visiting friends with HTIB subs or even the few hundred dollar variety. I hear their sub alot more than I do my own. Every little thing gets their sub rumbling. Mine is mostly subtle and integrated, but then can rip your head off with a 5 star bass scene. You might be led to think that the lesser sub is outperforming.

Someone of better knowlege chime in, but I think what might be happening is that the smaller subs have less dynamic range and thus owners run them hot to compensate. Therefore, even a closing car door goes "boom", but there isn't much more "boom" available when the big moments hit. So it's always booming and seems more active, but overall fairly "flat". Compression I suppose is what it is. An overall compressed performance.

I suppose another reason could be that your sub may not dig as deep as others, so you never hear the lower scenes that get higher ratings?

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We can make ranking these movies very easy. Just watch a movie and then throw in WOTW or Cloverfield and then compare. Those are 5's, no question, so it makes it simple. MI4 is one awesome movie overall, the sound is very clear and dynamic even at reference for the whole film! The bass was good but not great, enough to make it satisfying to me. I rated the Dark Night a 4.5 and have watched the chase scene so many times and it has deeper and louder bass than MI4, but MI4 reminds me of a movie like Transformers 1 which I ranked a 4 so it makes sense to me. The Ironhide flip was a better effect than any scene in MI4 but Transformers does not have the jump out of your seat dynamics either.

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I don't think so. They give a small recap of past events at the beginning of the movie. You will certainly be up to full speed if you've seen the others, but definitely not a requirement.

The back story doesn't matter at all. The movie is just an excuse for Kate Beckinsale kicking CGI werewolf ass with the backdrop of some of the heaviest LFE I've heard in a while. All-in-all it works quite well. No real thinking required.
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Because the "hole in the floor explosion scene," was EXTREMELY thrilling to me!
I could "feel" the bass energy, as my entire home theater shook.
This, with only two budget priced, lowly, BIC America F12 subwoofers in my HT.

That scene was ok, but nothing really special. The tapped horns are capable of shaking my couch rather forcefully on concrete when the sub 20Hz stuff really gets going, and the hole in the floor scene had none of that. Nothing in MI4 did, really.
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We can make ranking these movies very easy. Just watch a movie and then throw in WOTW or Cloverfield and then compare. Those are 5's, no question, so it makes it simple. MI4 is one awesome movie overall, the sound is very clear and dynamic even at reference for the whole film! The bass was good but not great, enough to make it satisfying to me. I rated the Dark Night a 4.5 and have watched the chase scene so many times and it has deeper and louder bass than MI4, but MI4 reminds me of a movie like Transformers 1 which I ranked a 4 so it makes sense to me. The Ironhide flip was a better effect than any scene in MI4 but Transformers does not have the jump out of your seat dynamics either.

Similar to what you propose, I've started comparing new movies to the best of the best on the 5 star list. As such, I think of it in terms of a ratio,

bass quantity and quality in new movie
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bass quantity and quality in the best 5 star movies.

Since I'm missing about an octave's worth of bandwidth, roughly (3-14hz), by having a Captivator in 15hz tune, I figure that my margin of comparison error is at least 7% - about 20% for the missing octave, but considering what low portion of content digs that deep, dropping it by about two thirds to 7%. (Caveat - That's all terribly arbitrary and not scientific at all, not to mention audio memory, etc.) I plan to rectify this missing bandwidth over the summer.

Anyway, the point:

MI4 and War Horse definitely do NOT have 80% (4/5 stars) of the bass quantity or quality in WOTW or Cloverfield. They have somewhere between 60-70%, though, or 3-3.5/5 stars. On the other hand, Underworld Awakening has 100% of that contained in the best 5 star titles, within the bandwidth my system can reproduce.
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I guess I can quantify the rankings by taking spl readings of the movies using the same levels. 5 star bass movies hit 125+ dBs this 4 times(in one scene) and others hit XXX dBs XXX times. We can get technical but I don't think that is needed. The reason for that is one movie might hit 125 dBs from 25-80hz in a scene while another might hit 110 dbs from 13-20hz, which is more impressive? That is subjective for sure.

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Completely agree Nube.
I was watching Awakening again last night, and I actually found myself reaching for the remote to my Denon several times to lower the volume, because things were beginning to shake a little too violently.
(Unfortunately I do not have a dedicated HT room yet, so the GF has decorations around my listening area. I have to keep things under control to prevent collateral damage.)
For those of you wondering, the first 10+ mins of the movie will absolutely PUNISH your subs.
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