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post #3781 of 17405 Old 05-14-2012, 05:32 PM
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Also does anyone know if The Grey is a good movie? I'm gonna guess there won't be much LFE in that movie but maybe good surround.

I liked The Grey very much. Liam Neeson is superb.

Regarding the LFE, it was actually quite impressive throughout the movie, especially during the plane crash sequence. The dynamics can be startling, also.

There is a lot of howling wind during the film which will give your sub(s) a thorough workout; not only for output, but for detail as well. A good test would be to listen to some of those strong wind scenes with capable headphones so you can hear the detail of the bass clearly, then listen at your normal listening level and see if there is any difference.
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I liked The Grey very much. Liam Neeson is superb.

Regarding the LFE, it was actually quite impressive throughout the movie, especially during the plane crash sequence. The dynamics can be startling, also.

There is a lot of howling wind during the film which will give your sub(s) a thorough workout; not only for output, but for detail as well. A good test would be to listen to some of those strong wind scenes with capable headphones so you can hear the detail of the bass clearly, then listen at your normal listening level and see if there is any difference.


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Tons of LFE in this movie! I would go a solid 4.5 overall. Some demo worthy moments IMO.

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Tons of LFE in this movie! I would go a solid 4.5 overall. Some demo worthy moments IMO.

I agree...this was a pretty good movie also. The bass was overall really strong and deep. I might be tempted to go with a full 5 for this one.

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I agree...this was a pretty good movie also. The bass was overall really strong and deep. I might be tempted to go with a full 5 for this one.

I would be curious to see some graphs. My Buttkickers bottomed quite a few times in this one which usually only happens with tracks that dig DEEP. I enjoyed the movie as well. Tanks, helicopters and jets in particular all had a LOT of weight and impact behind them which was awesome!

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Noting that Underworld: Awakening has been added to the 5-star section of the bass movies database, and I'm in full agreement that it belongs there. In fact the entire sound track is pretty aggressive. Some have complained that the bass was over the top and simply too much in this movie. I'm not sure that it was over done, but it probably could have been improved on in a few places.

Either way, it's definitely a good movie for a heavy bass subwoofer workout!

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My Buttkickers bottomed quite a few times in this one which usually only happens with tracks that dig DEEP.

I have been considering adding a Buttkicker to my system. I have a decent sub (HSU VTF-3 MK3) that hits 15Hz, and I usually do movies at around -10dB, so they are fairly loud. So I don't really *need* a Buttkicker... but I thought it might be fun, and add some additional punch/feel to movies without adding any volume.

But I didn't realize they could "bottom out". What does that mean... is it a negative experience like clipping/distortion, or is it simply that they don't shake enough??

Also, just in general, what are other people's thoughts of adding shakers to enhance movies with bass? If this is too off-topic I can take it elsewhere, but I really do want to hear from bass enthusiasts.

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Same here, I didn't know a Buttkicker could bottom out.
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I have been considering adding a Buttkicker to my system. I have a decent sub (HSU VTF-3 MK3) that hits 15Hz, and I usually do movies at around -10dB, so they are fairly loud. So I don't really *need* a Buttkicker... but I thought it might be fun, and add some additional punch/feel to movies without adding any volume.

But I didn't realize they could "bottom out". What does that mean... is it a negative experience like clipping/distortion, or is it simply that they don't shake enough??

Also, just in general, what are other people's thoughts of adding shakers to enhance movies with bass? If this is too off-topic I can take it elsewhere, but I really do want to hear from bass enthusiasts.

The crazy thing is I am running 4 SVS subs (3 PB13 Ultras and a 12/2 Ultra) in a sealed 12x17.5 room and the BKs still provide a sensation my subs cant. It is hard to describe, but the BKs bring the whole tactile experience to a higher level if they are implemented properly IMO.

It is crucial how you implement the shakers in my experience as far as how good, natural and seamless the experience is. I have been in theaters much nicer than mine where they had shakers attached directly to the seat, not enough sub (so the shakers stood out which you dont want), the shakers crossed over much to high, and where the shakers were just turned up to high in relation to the subs and it actually took me OUT of the experience. A shaker should compliment your subs and feel like a natural enhancement, not stand out from them. In my experience the only way to do this is to do an indirect attachment either to a riser, or beneath your floor onto the floor joists. I built a very simple mini riser that my couch sits on and the 2 BKs are attached to the riser. I took my legs off the couch so the entire perimeter wood frame comes in contact with the riser so the shake comes up through the entire couch, but indirectly. Combined with the fair amount of sub power I got, it simply feels like I gave my subs a Redbull or a steroid shot It really does feel very natural though and the only time they stand out is if they bottom (which can be controlled by simply turning down the volume on the shaker amp or making some high/low pass adjustments).

When a BK bottoms, it sounds like a knock. You cant miss it if you know what you should be listening for. I usually dont have problems with where I have mine set, but sometimes in the right type of scene or film it will happen on occasion.

There used to be a lot of good info on the BK site and I am sure there is a lot of great info here as well as far as how to implement these most effectively. Check out the BK site for more info.

Some people like shakers and some dont. I could not go without them now as the experience simply would not be complete, especially with big time action films. I hate them for music though and always go for the more pure approach there, but even that is subjective and some people like them for music as well.

Oh, another perk of a BK equipped couch...........girls love it....

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Well said Toe. I agree a properly integrated and setup buttkicker will IMO add another level of enjoyment to ones home theater enjoyment. The sub or subs will provide the room pressurization and "chest slam" if you will, the buttkicker the physical shaking of your body. WOTW is an outstanding example of a movie tailor made for this kind of affect!
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The crazy thing is I am running 4 SVS subs (3 PB13 Ultras and a 12/2 Ultra) in a sealed 12x17.5 room and the BKs still provide a sensation my subs cant. It is hard to describe, but the BKs bring the whole tactile experience to a higher level if they are implemented properly IMO.

It is crucial how you implement the shakers in my experience as far as how good, natural and seamless the experience is. I have been in theaters much nicer than mine where they had shakers attached directly to the seat, not enough sub (so the shakers stood out which you dont want), the shakers crossed over much to high, and where the shakers were just turned up to high in relation to the subs and it actually took me OUT of the experience. A shaker should compliment your subs and feel like a natural enhancement, not stand out from them. In my experience the only way to do this is to do an indirect attachment either to a riser, or beneath your floor onto the floor joists. I built a very simple mini riser that my couch sits on and the 2 BKs are attached to the riser. I took my legs off the couch so the entire perimeter wood frame comes in contact with the riser so the shake comes up through the entire couch, but indirectly. Combined with the fair amount of sub power I got, it simply feels like I gave my subs a Redbull or a steroid shot It really does feel very natural though and the only time they stand out is if they bottom (which can be controlled by simply turning down the volume on the shaker amp or making some high/low pass adjustments).

When a BK bottoms, it sounds like a knock. You cant miss it if you know what you should be listening for. I usually dont have problems with where I have mine set, but sometimes in the right type of scene or film it will happen on occasion.

There used to be a lot of good info on the BK site and I am sure there is a lot of great info here as well as far as how to implement these most effectively. Check out the BK site for more info.

Some people like shakers and some dont. I could not go without them now as the experience simply would not be complete, especially with big time action films. I hate them for music though and always go for the more pure approach there, but even that is subjective and some people like them for music as well.

Oh, another perk of a BK equipped couch...........girls love it....

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Can you combine d-motion with butt kickers in the same install?
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So my quetion for y'all is that if i have to choose one: adding another sub or butt kicker, which one would you guys choose? What is the price range for 4 seat BKs?
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I am using a Crowson Transducer along with my SubMersive HP. I am powering the Crowson with a Butt Kicker amp. I had CraigJohn set it up for me. When it's dialed in right(with the crossover and blending with the sub) which he did, it is a really cool feeling. My SubMersive HP is no slouch in the low bass department. My room is only 1000cf. But the Crowson just adds that extra to movies that makes you smile just a bit more. I was really impressed with what it did for Unstoppable. That made the movie even more fun then it was before. Plus, TRON really put it to the test. Even if you have a killer sub setup, I think the tactile feel you get from a transducer system is wort it. I know that I will never get rid of it and no matter what system I have, I will have a transducer setup as well.

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Can you combine d-motion with butt kickers in the same install?

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The crazy thing is I am running 4 SVS subs (3 PB13 Ultras and a 12/2 Ultra) in a sealed 12x17.5 room and the BKs still provide a sensation my subs cant. It is hard to describe, but the BKs bring the whole tactile experience to a higher level if they are implemented properly IMO.

4 high quality SVS subs and BK in that size room

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The crazy thing is I am running 4 SVS subs (3 PB13 Ultras and a 12/2 Ultra) in a sealed 12x17.5 room and the BKs still provide a sensation my subs cant. It is hard to describe, but the BKs bring the whole tactile experience to a higher level if they are implemented properly IMO.


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^^^^^^^^^^ I just want to know what its like in a MKtheater type setup or some of these other members who are hitting hard into the single digits which I cant do!

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What response are they set for?

My subs are in the 15hz tune and my BKs start in at ~50hz (which is a bit high, but for movies I like it). I have not tried the 10hz tune, but I might at some point. I just dont want to give up any slam up top, but maybe it would be worth it.......will try it at some point.



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4 high quality SVS subs and BK in that size room

I am officially jealous

If it makes you feel any better, there are plenty of sub/low end setups I am jealous of as well. MKtheater and some of the other members here have some absolutely amazing setups from what I have seen that I would love to experience at some point. Dont get me wrong as I am very happy and proud of what I have (it has taken me a long time to get to this point), but I cant dig into the single digits like a lot of these guys can and I would love to experience that some day I would also love to experience a sealed sub setup in my room which might be better than ported for my size/dimensions. At this point though, I am really just enjoying what I have which is important to do. It is easy to get caught up in constantly trying to get to that next step and not truly enjoying what you got. I think the happiest I have ever been with my HT was when I had my first HT setup with a 36" tube tv, 1 sub, did not have a clue what my in room FR was, surround speakers sitting on milk crates, etc.......... lol.

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I am using a Crowson Transducer along with my SubMersive HP. I am powering the Crowson with a Butt Kicker amp. I had CraigJohn set it up for me. When it's dialed in right(with the crossover and blending with the sub) which he did, it is a really cool feeling. My SubMersive HP is no slouch in the low bass department. My room is only 1000cf. But the Crowson just adds that extra to movies that makes you smile just a bit more. I was really impressed with what it did for Unstoppable. That made the movie even more fun then it was before. Plus, TRON really put it to the test. Even if you have a killer sub setup, I think the tactile feel you get from a transducer system is wort it. I know that I will never get rid of it and no matter what system I have, I will have a transducer setup as well.

I have wanted to try the Crowson products for a long time. Can you give us more details about your setup? Are the transducers under a piece of furniture or a riser? How low will they go or be detected, Hz-wise?

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Just watched wotw. I thought cloverfield, LFoDH, and uderworld were all better.

It was good but not in the same level as the others imho.

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Brian,
I think you have the SVS Sb12, how does it handle these movies? Not quite follow you, which one of those movies has the best bass? I like UW Awakening.
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Just watched wotw. I thought cloverfield, LFoDH, and uderworld were all better.

It was good but not in the same level as the others imho.

Live free or die hard IMHO is not better than WOTW. I was one of the first to say Cloverfield is a WOTW beater. I have not seen awakenings yet.
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Just watched wotw. I thought cloverfield, LFoDH, and uderworld were all better.

It was good but not in the same level as the others imho.

What kind of sub are you using? I only ask because your impression varies from most and I wonder if your equipment has something to do with the reason why. Purely asking just out of curiosity.
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Just watched The Babysitter. Funny movie...one scene in the van, the bass was way loud... Not sure why it was made so hot. Music scene, but the bass spl was actually overwhelming for the music playing...in fact its all i could here...weird?? Not low just LOUD!
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Battle:LA does not clip AFAIK. It is a known fact T:L does.

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Hmm, it looks like that it may clip. The scene where those marines are coming out of that helo and are running to barracks you can heard some nasty sounding explosion in your left surround speaker, even more crappy sounding when putting all speakers to small and sub to off. And to tron where are those scenes excatly where it clips/distort?

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Tonight's movie was Melancholia. The two planet collision scenes had what sounded like five star LFE, but I had to sit through about 130 minutes of five star boredom to get to them. Going to waterfall those two scenes as soon as the transcoding process is finished, just so I can pretend I didn't waste the last 135 minutes of my life on this one.

Not even going to vote on a star rating for the LFE in general. I'll just waterfall those scenes and send the movie back to the rental place. This movie will never be on my shopping list.

I actually liked it, great visuals/audio in opening and what a lfe scene that last pretty long time(had to blow my ears open after that.)
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Sherlock Holmes: game of shadows.
Big wtf.
Movie contained slow motion fight scenes, artillery, gunshot, explosions, buildings coming down, crashes and a lot more of "Ooooh, here comes the OOMMPFF!" scenes.
Id rate the movie below a 2. Way below. Sounded like the whole movie (well, almost) was highpassed at 40hz or had a very low amplitude overall. I had to check that my LFE-amp was on...
Either something was very wrong with my setup or this movie just sucks for LFE. Anyone?
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