Originally Posted by [KYA]Mega
I have been considering adding a Buttkicker
to my system. I have a decent sub (HSU VTF-3 MK3
) that hits 15Hz, and I usually do movies at around -10dB, so they are fairly loud. So I don't really *need* a Buttkicker... but I thought it might be fun, and add some additional punch/feel to movies without adding any volume.
But I didn't realize they could "bottom out". What does that mean... is it a negative experience like clipping/distortion, or is it simply that they don't shake enough??
Also, just in general, what are other people's thoughts of adding shakers to enhance movies with bass? If this is too off-topic I can take it elsewhere, but I really do want to hear from bass enthusiasts.
The crazy thing is I am running 4 SVS subs (3 PB13 Ultras and a 12/2 Ultra) in a sealed 12x17.5 room and the BKs still provide a sensation my subs cant. It is hard to describe, but the BKs bring the whole tactile experience to a higher level if they are implemented properly IMO.
It is crucial how you implement the shakers in my experience as far as how good, natural and seamless the experience is. I have been in theaters much nicer than mine where they had shakers attached directly to the seat, not enough sub (so the shakers stood out which you dont want), the shakers crossed over much to high, and where the shakers were just turned up to high in relation to the subs and it actually took me OUT of the experience. A shaker should compliment your subs and feel like a natural enhancement, not stand out from them. In my experience the only way to do this is to do an indirect attachment either to a riser, or beneath your floor onto the floor joists. I built a very simple mini riser that my couch sits on and the 2 BKs are attached to the riser. I took my legs off the couch so the entire perimeter wood frame comes in contact with the riser so the shake comes up through the entire couch, but indirectly. Combined with the fair amount of sub power I got, it simply feels like I gave my subs a Redbull or a steroid shot
It really does feel very natural though and the only time they stand out is if they bottom (which can be controlled by simply turning down the volume on the shaker amp or making some high/low pass adjustments).
When a BK bottoms, it sounds like a knock. You cant miss it if you know what you should be listening for. I usually dont have problems with where I have mine set, but sometimes in the right type of scene or film it will happen on occasion.
There used to be a lot of good info on the BK site and I am sure there is a lot of great info here as well as far as how to implement these most effectively. Check out the BK site for more info.
Some people like shakers and some dont. I could not go without them now as the experience simply would not be complete, especially with big time action films. I hate them for music though and always go for the more pure approach there, but even that is subjective and some people like them for music as well.
Oh, another perk of a BK equipped couch...........girls love it....