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Yeah. My strategy these days is to go 4 stars if there's significant content between 10-20. 4.5 stars if the four star has some sub 10Hz. And then 5 stars if there's significant content below 10Hz or a 4.5 happens to have constant unrelenting bass.

That's why I'm still at 5 stars for The Haunting in DTS-ES. Normally I'd vote 4.5 for a movie like that, but it does have some content below 20Hz and it's not afraid to bring the noise when it needs to
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The Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring (Extended Edition) (dvd, Dolby Digital 5.1)


Looks similar to the result I got with the blu-ray theatrical edition, but not as impressive:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...p#post20629766

Note that the dvd extended version starts to rolloff slightly at 15hz, and has an okay amount of 6hz content. In comparison the blu-ray theatrical version has a nice extension all the way to 6hz.
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Terminator 2: Judgment Day Special Edition (blu-ray, DTS HD-Master Audio 6.1):


Hmm I hope the DVD version has tons of infrasonics on it, otherwise if it's the same as the blu-ray I don't think it deserves 4 stars.

Yup, it not have much lower than 30hz bass. Maybe i lower it to 3-3,5 stars, though it is still pretty impressive in nuke scene and some explosions, arnie shotgun scenes.


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I also heard (I think Bosso mentioned as well..) that there is a DD 5.1 French track on the BD that does have infrasonics.

I think it was me who did say something like that, but i didn't say anything about infrasonics... it just louder in some bass scenes and some scenes it's not, where english track have more bass. I have not yet compared dir cut version to french theatrical track.

[quote=LetoAtreides82;20647721]Star Trek (2009) (blu-ray, Dolby TrueHD 5.1) :

I see LFE Man said earlier he thought Star Trek 2009 was perhaps worth 5 stars:

It's have on 4,5 star for a while, maybe i should put it on 5 star.


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I just watch The Mechanic, I thought it had some very good bass scenes in it. Anyone else feel the same?
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I think it was me who did say something like that, but i didn't say anything about infrasonics... it just louder in some bass scenes and some scenes it's not, where english track have more bass. I have not yet compared dir cut version to french theatrical track.

Ah ok, sorry I forgot who had mentioned it. I do remember somebody mentioning that it had more infrasonics though. Im am not positive though.

Wow. So it looks like Star Trek might have the highest average for <10hz content of all the plotted movies.

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Ah ok, sorry I forgot who had mentioned it. I do remember somebody mentioning that it had more infrasonics though. Im am not positive though.

Wow. So it looks like Star Trek might have the highest average for <10hz content of all the plotted movies.

No I'd say Battle: Los Angeles and War Of The Worlds have a higher average for <10hz content than Star Trek 2009.

Here's the War Of The Worlds chart:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...s#post20594691

And here's the Battle: Los Angeles chart:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...s#post20618732

And out of the two I'd say B: LA has the higher quantity of <10hz content, but it's close. Seems that Star Trek 2009 comes in 3rd, I can't find another chart with a higher average for <10hz content. I should chart How To Train Your Dragon next...
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Just taking a moment to thank those that contribute the spectral content graphs. Really quite interesting comparing what spectral content is on a release, and what spectral energy is reproduced. Thank you,.. to all that take the time.


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I just watch The Mechanic, I thought it had some very good bass scenes in it. Anyone else feel the same?

Yes, the Mechanic had some great LFE scenes. Here are 4 of the best ones:






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I had some folks over to view HTTYD last night. Wanting to show off a bit, I ran the SW trim at +3dB hot. Whoa, I forgot how monstrous this flicks soundtrack is. Bumping was not necessary.

If someone gets the time, I sure would like to see the peak hold for this one. It's my newly crowned all time LFE favorite. It's just loaded with great LFE across the 3-120 Hz BW in nearly every scene and the finale, the big dragon crashing into the ground, truly awesome.



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Star Trek 2009 gets a 5 star vote from me. No rolloff, lots of infrasonics, and lots of action scenes. Also its bass average chart looks just like every other 5 star movie's chart.

I agree that Star Trek (2009)'s LFE deserves 5 Stars. In fact, I rate its overall sound design as 5 Stars, too. I own the BD and it has been my go to demonstration disc for audio ever since I got it. Also, it's a terrific film.
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I had some folks over to view HTTYD last night. Wanting to show off a bit, I ran the SW trim at +3dB hot. Whoa, I forgot how monstrous this flicks soundtrack is. Bumping was not necessary.

If someone gets the time, I sure would like to see the peak hold for this one. It's my newly crowned all time LFE favorite. It's just loaded with great LFE across the 3-120 Hz BW in nearly every scene and the finale, the big dragon crashing into the ground, truly awesome.

Bosso

Working on it right now How To Train Your Dragon looks great too, I really like its art style.
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I had some folks over to view HTTYD last night. Wanting to show off a bit, I ran the SW trim at +3dB hot. Whoa, I forgot how monstrous this flicks soundtrack is. Bumping was not necessary.

Nice

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It's my newly crowned all time LFE favorite. It's just loaded with great LFE across the 3-120 Hz BW in nearly every scene and the finale, the big dragon crashing into the ground, truly awesome.


Bosso

In addition to great sound design in general, and specifically superb LFE, a component to HTTYD that really elevates it in my opinion is that it truly surprised me how enjoyable it was,.. and that just made it that much better. A very good film.

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I agree that Star Trek (2009)'s LFE deserves 5 Stars. In fact, I rate its overall sound design as 5 Stars, too. I own the BD and it has been my go to demonstration disc for audio ever since I got it. Also, it's a terrific film.

I agree it should be in the 5 star catagory. I also think that, despite some people not liking the movie, that Scott Pilgrim vs. the World should be five star too.

Just compare the two graphs between LOTR and Scott Pilgrim. If LOTR is 5 star Scott Pilgrim should be!


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The Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring (Extended Edition) (dvd, Dolby Digital 5.1)


Looks extremely similar to the result I got with the blu-ray theatrical edition:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...p#post20629766

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More...

Now for some below 30Hz action:

Scott Pilgrim:


Interesting to note that most of the films roll off below 30Hz. Black Hawk Down, The Incredible Hulk break that mold. Scott Pilgrim to a lesser extent.

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I agree it should be in the 5 star catagory. I also think that, despite some people not liking the movie, that Scott Pilgrim vs. the World should be five star too.

Just compare the two graphs between LOTR and Scott Pilgrim. If LOTR is 5 star Scott Pilgrim should be!

Looking at LOTR's extended dvd chart now, I see it starts rolling slightly off at 15hz, and contains an okay amount of 6hz content. Out of all the 5 stars that have had charts done, this one is the weakest showing I've seen but clearly stronger than the 4.5's.

Actually I just noticed that the blu-ray theatrical version is more impressive than the extended dvd version:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...p#post20629766

This one has a nice extension all the way down to 6hz instead of rolling off slightly at 15hz.

MaxMercy's card doesn't handle <10hz well. Unfortunately I don't have Scott Pilgrim vs The World so I can't say whether or not it has a ton of infrasonics.
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Here's the monster that is How To Train Your Dragon (blu-ray, Dolby TrueHD 5.1) :


That's one scary graph
No rolloff, and 1hz content is > than its 100-120hz content!
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Here's the monster that is How To Train Your Dragon (blu-ray, Dolby TrueHD 5.1) :


That's one scary graph
No rolloff, and 1hz content is > than its 100-120hz content!

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Awesome stuff guys, I need to buy this on bluray.

MK surprised you have not watched this, would of been a blast with your previous setup! The dragon crash scene that Bossobass mentioned has a quick punch you in the gut moment that catches you off guard. Definitely a must own.
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Yes, the Mechanic had some great LFE scenes. Here are 4 of the best ones:






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Thanks bud, I thought it was pretty good.
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Here's the monster that is How To Train Your Dragon (blu-ray, Dolby TrueHD 5.1) :


That's one scary graph
No rolloff, and 1hz content is > than its 100-120hz content!

Jesus.

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Guess I need to get around to seeing this one. Wow.

I like to picture Randy Thom hunched over his mixing board, cackling with glee over all the poor subwoofers he knew he was about to torture

This is one of the few BR movies I was willing to pay the $30 asking price to get. Even Percy Jackson I waited until I found a copy for $12 on eBay.
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I like to picture Randy Thom hunched over his mixing board, cackling with glee over all the poor subwoofers he knew he was about to torture

This is one of the few BR movies I was willing to pay the $30 asking price to get. Even Percy Jackson I waited until I found a copy for $12 on eBay.

It does appear that the How to Train Your Dragon BD has demonstration quality LFE. Better yet, Amazon is now offering it for $13.99. Also, the Blu-ray review of the BD was just as ecstatic about the LFE as you guys have been. I may buy this one for my library.
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The Thin Red Line - DVD, Dolby Digital

Nope, not four stars. I'm going three stars on this one. No extension below 20Hz, almost nothing below 30Hz. But at least there's a lot of it, else I'd go down to two stars. Only doing the one scene - the hill bombing at 42 minutes. I have some Titan AE waterfalls to re-do... not wasting my time on a 3 hour movie that has nothing below 30Hz.

Agreed with five stars for Star Trek 2009. I remember when I still had the IXL with no highpass, and it looking like it was breathing during the opening






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Nope - no real interest in buying the Blu-Ray.
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Even though I already know that Saving Private Ryan has pretty much nothing below 35hz-ish... I'd still love to see an average chart for it. Anyone got that and willing?

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I just realized now that MaxMercy's card doesn't handle <16hz well (see here for my explanation http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post20653054 ). Unfortunately I don't have this movie so I can't say whether or not it has a ton of infrasonics.


I actually am flat to 10, but then it loses ground below 10Hz. You have quite the flat setup. I run mine through the BluRay player feeding into the receiver that then send the sub out to my soundcard. Lots of additive highpasses there with 3 different pieces of hardware.

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I've got Saving Private Ryan on DVD....bt I have no time now...Matrix Revolutions is also waiting....

Leto, How to Train Your Dragon is INSANE!!!

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I've got Saving Private Ryan on DVD....bt I have no time now...Matrix Revolutions is also waiting....

Leto, How to Train Your Dragon is INSANE!!!

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Yes. HtTYD looks pretty nuts. I'll have to pick it up sometime.

Cool! Thanks, JSS! I'm still trying to get SL working again on my laptop but still no go.

Is your copy the DTS version or DD? The bass was quite a bit different. The DTS-MA on blu sounds soooooo good.

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I actually am flat to 10, but then it loses ground below 10Hz. You have quite the flat setup. I run mine through the BluRay player feeding into the receiver that then send the sub out to my soundcard. Lots of additive highpasses there with 3 different pieces of hardware.

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Oops forgot to remove the link in that post. For the charts I use an internal blu-ray drive and my card goes all the way down to 0hz.

Here's my Tron: Legacy chart:

Tron: Legacy (blu-ray, DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1)
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Hmmm... interesting.

Yea like MaxMercy said earlier Tron: Legacy has massive amounts of 30-40hz content
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