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Old 08-11-2012, 07:05 PM
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Battleship is certainly nowhere near as bad as 2012. There is a lot of bass content in it, just not really deep bass. When the force-field/shield goes up is a good scene

Yeah that scene was ok, but still I did not find it that special compared to most movies that are discussed on here. Bass was there throughout the whole movie..........but it just felt the LFE channel was lacking all that deep bass that should be present with all those massive spaceships and gun fires...could of been something special because that movie had tons of action scenes.

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Just watched Starship Troopers. Horrible bass movie. Rate it 2.5/5. I would have thought heavy bass for a movie like this.

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Watched Demolition Man. No bass either in this one. Rate it 2/5. Im starting to find older movies don't have much bass or even ULF.

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Nope, at that point in time, cinema design specified it only extend/be flat to 40 Hz, which few cinemas could actually achieve, consequently HT 'sub' design was typically no better unless both were designed/certified THX. Until fairly recently, deep, pounding, 'bass' in both cinema and live music meant elevated mid-bass beginning around ~50 Hz, ramping up quickly to a prominent ~80-120 Hz depending on several variables and carrying into the lower mids around 300 Hz, the criteria established circa 1935.

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Yeah that scene was ok, but still I did not find it that special compared to most movies that are discussed on here. Bass was there throughout the whole movie..........but it just felt the LFE channel was lacking all that deep bass that should be present with all those massive spaceships and gun fires...could of been something special because that movie had tons of action scenes.

Funny movie - insanely stupid story but funny. There is low frequency content but the problem is that the mixer was obviously only allowed loud sounds and soft sounds, nothing in between. The low frequency parts all seem to be masked by highly compressed sound effects. Looks like the dreaded loudness war has arrived at movie mixing.

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Funny movie - insanely stupid story but funny. There is low frequency content but the problem is that the mixer was obviously only allowed loud sounds and soft sounds, nothing in between. The low frequency parts all seem to be masked by highly compressed sound effects. Looks like the dreaded loudness war has arrived at movie mixing.

It's one film... not an overall trend.
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It's one film... not an overall trend.

Pretty quick answer smile.gif Hope you're right.

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I have to correct myself. Battleship seems to be high-pass filtered. Alien shield goes up:



This is from Tron Legacy when he is taken to the arena:



Both scenes show about 2 min. of C and LFE.

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Hmm, frequency on y-axel I assume? What program is that waterfall generated in?

Also, that looks just as crappy as it sounded. The people in here hearing a strong 15-20hz tone in that scene needs to seriously revaluate something....
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Hmm, frequency on y-axel I assume? What program is that waterfall generated in?

X-axis = time
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Hmm, frequency on y-axel I assume? What program is that waterfall generated in?
Also, that looks just as crappy as it sounded. The people in here hearing a strong 15-20hz tone in that scene needs to seriously revaluate something....

Agree with you on many levels mate! smile.gif
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Watched Demolition Man. No bass either in this one. Rate it 2/5. Im starting to find older movies don't have much bass or even ULF.

One does not watch Demolition Man for the LFE. biggrin.gif

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I'm late to the party on Battleship. I still haven't heard it at home, but a Regal RPX (http://www.regmovies.com/rpx/) theatre just opened near me, and they had $2 movies so I went to see Battleship, and I was lucky it happened to be in one of their RPX auditoriums (which normally has an up-charge similar to IMAX).

The bass was actually too loud and to make matters worse, the rest of the mix was not loud enough. So it was actually hard to hear the dialogue over the bass. So I was fairly impressed how much volume they could get out of the subs, but of course none of it was even close to ULF. After reading all of your reviews of the movie, that makes sense, so I won't judge RPX's bottom end from that one movie.

As we exited the theatre there happened to be a manager standing at the exit asking us about our experience, so I at least got to voice my concerns. I started off with: "I don't think I've ever said this out loud before... but that movie had too much bass." I then went on to explain that I LOVE bass, but in this case, because the rest of the sound seemed to be not loud enough that the bass actually interfered with the dialogue, etc. So I recommended that they turn everything else up, and the bass down a bit. He told me he would have "one of his professional technicians" take a look.

It never ceases to amaze me that such a huge investment in equipment and facility can result in such a poor experience because they don't bother to adjust it properly. You would think they would have something like Audyssey that could at least get them close... and if they do, then how can things get that far askew within a week of opening? I realize not everyone is an audiophile, but even my kids recognized there was a problem. One of them said: "it was hard to hear what they said, but it was still loud" which is not a bad description.

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Any one have an impulse graph for Tron: Legacy. In particular the end scene when they blow up the tron universe?

Pretty sure that scene popped/blew my sub, was curious to see what it took to make that happen. I had a pop during the airplane scenes as well but the end scene is definitive.

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Any one have an impulse graph for Tron: Legacy. In particular the end scene when they blow up the tron universe?
Pretty sure that scene popped/blew my sub, was curious to see what it took to make that happen. I had a pop during the airplane scenes as well but the end scene is definitive.

Here you go - last 2 minutes of the showdown (C and LFE):

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Those last two dips tell the story right there. Man it gets low. Thank you very much for that.

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Here you go - last 2 minutes of the showdown (C and LFE):


What do you mean by C and LFE?
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Kinda basic.....

C = Center Channel
LFE = Low Freq Channel

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More from the Tron Legacy showdown (about 3 min.) - C/L/R/SL/SR/LFE:













Looks like a 30Hz movie, i.e. if your system is capable of 30Hz in-room you should get most of the story soundwise.

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Watched Fight Club (love this movie). There surprisingly was a bit of bass in his one. Don't feel it went really low though. Rate it 3.5/5.

If possible, can someone chart the last scene with the buildings falling. Around 02:15:35 mark.

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It's mostly 30-40hz stuff with the occasional dips down to 20hz and below. Look in the old thread for some graphs I did of Fight Club.
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More from the Tron Legacy showdown (about 3 min.) - C/L/R/SL/SR/LFE:

Looks like a 30Hz movie, i.e. if your system is capable of 30Hz in-room you should get most of the story soundwise.

You would be correct. Peak/Avg for all of Tron:Legacy.



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Watched Fight Club (love this movie). There surprisingly was a bit of bass in his one. Don't feel it went really low though. Rate it 3.5/5.
If possible, can someone chart the last scene with the buildings falling. Around 02:15:35 mark.

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It's got some decent amount of quality bass besides aggressive surround soundtrack.
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The wife and I watched Batman Begins last night. She turns to me and says "Whoa, check out Scarecrow's voice!".
Indeed:
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So much for "Below 20 Hz is [fill in the blank with incorrect assessment], so why have it?". Scarecrow's voice is all below 20 Hz.
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Does your graph show the "you need to lighten up" scene? This is C/LFE/L/R from the Blu-ray:



Looks different from what you're showing. By the way, the high level LF content is not in Scarecrow's voice but a separate sound effect.

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It's mostly 30-40hz stuff with the occasional dips down to 20hz and below. Look in the old thread for some graphs I did of Fight Club.

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It's got some decent amount of quality bass besides aggressive surround soundtrack.

Thanks for the chart. Soundtrack was great. Lots of surround action.

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Does your graph show the "you need to lighten up" scene? This is C/LFE/L/R from the Blu-ray:

Looks different from what you're showing. By the way, the high level LF content is not in Scarecrow's voice but a separate sound effect.

Check out the scene when the vaporizer thing has gone off and Scarecrow ambushes Katie Holmes and the kid in the alley when they're all drugged up. That scene should be loaded with single digit bass.

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Thanks, I found it.
Thanks for the chart. Soundtrack was great. Lots of surround action.

Yeah. Fight Club is still one of my favorite surround tracks.

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Check out the scene when the vaporizer thing has gone off and Scarecrow ambushes Katie Holmes and the kid in the alley when they're all drugged up. That scene should be loaded with single digit bass.

Not sure which scene that is. Do you know at what time this approximately happens?

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Towards the end of the movie right before Batman comes to Arkham Island. Don't know the timestamp.

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Towards the end of the movie right before Batman comes to Arkham Island. Don't know the timestamp.

You mean the car chase scene?

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Any one have an impulse graph for Tron: Legacy. In particular the end scene when they blow up the tron universe?
Pretty sure that scene popped/blew my sub, was curious to see what it took to make that happen. I had a pop during the airplane scenes as well but the end scene is definitive.

Yes, this is it wink.gif
The end scene is not of any interest...to people who have LFE-capable systems.

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