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I was a bit disappointed in Hunger Games which I finally watched last night. The LFE was very good, but I would have like to have heard more. I felt I was was being teased:D What I really don't understand is, why was it only available in standard DD? It's rare to comes across lossy movie soundtracks, especially block busters, on BD these days.
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I was a bit disappointed in Hunger Games which I finally watched last night. The LFE was very good, but I would have like to have heard more. I felt I was was being teased:D What I really don't understand is, why was it only available in standard DD? It's rare to comes across lossy movie soundtracks, especially block busters, on BD these days.
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Sounds like you were a victim of the dreaded Rental Copy neutering.
Yep. Lucky for me, my local rental store gets the retail versions, which they later offer for purchase on sale once the rental demand dies down. The upside is, I get the full experience with the DTS HD track (and all the extras, not that I watch those too often, unless the movie is really eye opening).


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Yep. Lucky for me, my local rental store gets the retail versions, which they later offer for purchase on sale once the rental demand dies down. The upside is, I get the full experience with the DTS HD track (and all the extras, not that I watch those too often, unless the movie is really eye opening).
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I usually get regular discs from Neflix, and rental only from BB. This copy was from Neflix, which surprised me. This is the first time I came across a rental copy that was available in lossy audio only. mad.gif



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I'm not sure if it's been discussed in this thread but what's the consensus on the Star Wars Episode IV-VI THX remastered Blu-Rays? I just recently went through them for the first time and was surprised to find out they added in lots of bass effects into the soundtrack. Many of the scenes almost feel overpowering and bloated with low-end. Has anybody spectrally analyzed these Blu-Rays to see if the bass clips?
I attended the Masters of Sound panel, featuring Ben Burtt, Matthew Wood, and David Acord at Star Wars Celebration VI this weekend and asked about bass content in the films they work on. My intent was to follow up on some of the discussions on this forum about the sub-20 Hz content in today's films, and how conscious they are of it during production. I'm not sure if I didn't ask it quite right, or if I was misunderstood, but there wasn't much of an answer. The moderator made a comment about that kind of frequency actually making people sick.

But, David Acord did mention that people always mentioned about how they had actually felt the Star Destroyer flying overhead in A New Hope, but when they went back to the soundtrack for the Blu-ray release, there wasn't really that much low-frequency content. So, to meet the expectations of the audience and give them the experience they they thought they had had, they actually had to go back and sweeten the bass.

He didn't elaborate on whether or not they did it with any other scenes.

At a later Indiana Jones panel, Ben Burtt said that they did the same thing for Raiders. The subwoofer content has become much more important in the years since Raiders was made. We'll have to see how that one sounds next month.

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I attended the Masters of Sound panel, featuring Ben Burtt, Matthew Wood, and David Acord at Star Wars Celebration VI this weekend and asked about bass content in the films they work on. My intent was to follow up on some of the discussions on this forum about the sub-20 Hz content in today's films, and how conscious they are of it during production. I'm not sure if I didn't ask it quite right, or if I was misunderstood, but there wasn't much of an answer. The moderator made a comment about that kind of frequency actually making people sick.
But, David Acord did mention that people always mentioned about how they had actually felt the Star Destroyer flying overhead in A New Hope, but when they went back to the soundtrack for the Blu-ray release, there wasn't really that much low-frequency content. So, to meet the expectations of the audience and give them the experience they they thought they had had, they actually had to go back and sweeten the bass.
He didn't elaborate on whether or not they did it with any other scenes.
At a later Indiana Jones panel, Ben Burtt said that they did the same thing for Raiders. The subwoofer content has become much more important in the years since Raiders was made. We'll have to see how that one sounds next month.
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Thanks for the info.
I'd done some comparison through speclab capture between the DVD(04' boxset) and bluray but couldn't find any real evidence that the bass was sweetened.
If you're interested I'd put the results in a local (mandarin) forum here and its next page.
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Has anyone ever charted the scene in Close Encounters of the Third Kind, where Roy Neary
first encounters a UFO in his pickup truck?

That scene delivers some of the most intense low bass ever put in a home theater mix.

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Hi is anyone going to do a Chapters, Timestamps & Frequency Charts


for Immortals and Tron:Legacy??

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Search the thread, this has already been done numerious times.

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Umm OK I thought all that was done was on the first page will look for the Charts thnx for the heads up.. there are just so many posts to sif through

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Umm OK I thought all that was done was on the first page will look for the Charts thnx for the heads up.. there are just so many posts to sif through

There's a "Search This Thread" link at the top of each page. Right below the thread title. Hope that helps.

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I just watched Battleship I thought there would at least be some good LFE in this movie, but no I was disappointed
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I have the SpecLab download and my settings in a file. All you have to do is follow the instructions on the page after you download SL and the settings. Just upload my settings into SL and you're cookin' with gas, sans the learning curve. smile.gif
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Tried setting up Speclab and downloaded ur settings as per the instruction. I took the pre-out for the sub from the Onkyo, set all speaker crossover to 120Hz and disabled Audyssey but could not reproduce the waterfalls to look the same as some that have been shown in the 1st page (ie, Black Hawk Down (do not get the 8.5Hz peaks)). Iron Man Jericho scene looks similar not but the same as what was shown a few posts earlier as well.

I am on a 64bit Windows 7 OS and saw ur note on the possible issues with this. Will it fail to install or will the graphs look off.

I also use a Creative SB Live External USB Sound Card (which is where I send the sub pre out to line in) and set the SpecLab settings to 48kHz. The graphs do not seem to have as much fine resolution as what u show, is this a setup issue.

Lastly, if this is not appropriate to discuss here, let me know I can PM u instead. Would like to iron this out so that I can do some waterfalls as well.
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I just watched Battleship I thought there would at least be some good LFE in this movie, but no I was disappointed
Just got done watching this one too. I thought there was quite a few scenes with LFE, nothing really in the ULF range and nothing super spectacular, but there was some bass in there. I'd give it 3 stars.
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Just got done watching this one too. I thought there was quite a few scenes with LFE, nothing really in the ULF range and nothing super spectacular, but there was some bass in there. I'd give it 3 stars.

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So yeah, I picked up Hunger Games from RedBox and was quite disappointed by the audio on disc. It was barely better than when I saw it in the theater. Stupid Rental copy gimping the audio just so they can use a Single Layer 25GB disc. How much more can it really cost to press a Dual Layer disc vs a Single layer. I know, part of the reasoning is to push you to buy instead of rent but still..
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So yeah, I picked up Hunger Games from RedBox and was quite disappointed by the audio on disc. It was barely better than when I saw it in the theater. Stupid Rental copy gimping the audio just so they can use a Single Layer 25GB disc. How much more can it really cost to press a Dual Layer disc vs a Single layer. I know, part of the reasoning is to push you to buy instead of rent but still..

probably twice as much? :P
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So yeah, I picked up Hunger Games from RedBox and was quite disappointed by the audio on disc. It was barely better than when I saw it in the theater. Stupid Rental copy gimping the audio just so they can use a Single Layer 25GB disc. How much more can it really cost to press a Dual Layer disc vs a Single layer. I know, part of the reasoning is to push you to buy instead of rent but still..


I watched a rental copy and it had the full uncompressed HD soundtrack. Don't know what you're talking about.

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I watched a rental copy and it had the full uncompressed HD soundtrack. Don't know what you're talking about.
Some movies have rental copies that are not gimped, but it has become a a bit of a growing trend. Which movie did you watch that had full uncompressed audio, I would be flabbergasted if it was Hunger Games? I'm just curious.
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I am Number 4 has a really powerfull scene near the end of film
- end of the major fight sceen on the football field- 5/10 seconds of very deep subsonics

This is certainly confirmed. Though not an LFE crazed movie that scene fills the room with boom.

The train crash in Super8 may have been mentioned before, its good too.

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can anyone tell me a scene with ULF in any movie? i keep hearing ULF but i can't tell the difference between that and LFE.
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can anyone tell me a scene with ULF in any movie? i keep hearing ULF but i can't tell the difference between that and LFE.

The climatic bridge being blown up scene in "The Long Kiss Good Night."
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Tried setting up Speclab and downloaded ur settings as per the instruction. I took the pre-out for the sub from the Onkyo, set all speaker crossover to 120Hz and disabled Audyssey but could not reproduce the waterfalls to look the same as some that have been shown in the 1st page (ie, Black Hawk Down (do not get the 8.5Hz peaks)). Iron Man Jericho scene looks similar not but the same as what was shown a few posts earlier as well.
I am on a 64bit Windows 7 OS and saw ur note on the possible issues with this. Will it fail to install or will the graphs look off.
I also use a Creative SB Live External USB Sound Card (which is where I send the sub pre out to line in) and set the SpecLab settings to 48kHz. The graphs do not seem to have as much fine resolution as what u show, is this a setup issue.
Lastly, if this is not appropriate to discuss here, let me know I can PM u instead. Would like to iron this out so that I can do some waterfalls as well.

Unfortunately, I'm windows illiterate. I use a Mac for everything but measurements and SpecLab graphs. I have read from one source who claims that Windows 7 64 bit works for him, but there are no details to qualify that remark with. Other W7 64 bit users have told me it does not work, but there are no specific details there either. This is from the SL author:

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I know there can be issues getting your sound card routed properly into SL, but again, I can't advise you as to the correct procedures because I don't use a sound card.

I'll have my tech PM you when he gets a chance and maybe you can get up and running with W7 64 bit because it will be great to have another graphs contributor. cool.gif
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I am Number 4 has a really powerfull scene near the end of film
- end of the major fight sceen on the football field- 5/10 seconds of very deep subsonics

This is certainly confirmed. Though not an LFE crazed movie that scene fills the room with boom.

The train crash in Super8 may have been mentioned before, its good too.
There is no real subsonic content to speak of in Super 8. For some silly reason, they filtered the audio on that soundtrack. Sure the train crash scene gets loud, but it is mostly ear piercingly high frequencies and not much bass (especially compared to the standouts in this thread). That's why there are so many complaints about it from the bassheads here (myself included). A real train crash would produce tremendous ULF and subsonic (read: below 20Hz) content. This is completely missing from Super 8.
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can anyone tell me a scene with ULF in any movie? i keep hearing ULF but i can't tell the difference between that and LFE.
ULF = Ultra Low Frequencies. Meaning frequencies below 20Hz.

Some movies go DEEP, as in down to single digit Hz (there are a few with substantial content down to 3Hz). The problem is, your system has to be capable of reproducing ULF at fairly high SPLs and this is pretty uncommon. The vast majority of subwoofers have a frequency response that falls off a cliff below 20-25 Hz. In other words, they can't reproduce ULF to any appreciable degree to be felt (note they're subsonic, i.e. below the commonly held lowest audible frequency of 20Hz. Frequencies below that aren't heard, they're felt, but ONLY if a system can reproduce them at high enough SPLs). Oh, and there aren't ANY speakers I'm aware of that can reproduce 20Hz and below at appreciable SPLs that don't cost an arm, a leg and numerous other body parts, and even at stratospheric prices, it's still rare.

What does your setup consist of? A quick list will tell us if it's capable of decent ULF output.

As far as movies with ULF, check the first post for all the 5-star movies. They all have prodigious ULF in certain scenes. One of my all time favorite ULF demo scenes is still the alien tripod emerging from the ground in the remake of 'War Of The Worlds' starring Tom Cruise.


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There is no real subsonic content to speak of in Super 8. For some silly reason, they filtered the audio on that soundtrack. Sure the train crash scene gets loud, but it is mostly ear piercingly high frequencies and not much bass (especially compared to the standouts in this thread). That's why there are so many complaints about it from the bassheads here (myself included). A real train crash would produce tremendous ULF and subsonic (read: below 20Hz) content. This is completely missing from Super 8.

For a scene that doesn't contain much bass, the train crash/derailment scene in Super 8, rattles the windows and shakes my whole room, whenever I sample it.
It's my favorite demo scene and I like it better than the tripode emergence scene in War of the Worlds, for shear chest pounding impact.

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Some movies have rental copies that are not gimped, but it has become a a bit of a growing trend. Which movie did you watch that had full uncompressed audio, I would be flabbergasted if it was Hunger Games? I'm just curious.

It was Hunger Games via Redbox played through my PS3. I'm sure my AVR showed a HD stream. Now you have me thinking. I really don't want to rent it again even though it was pretty good.

I do recall that it rocked my room pretty good in certain parts like the forest fire scene.

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There is no real subsonic content to speak of in Super 8. For some silly reason, they filtered the audio on that soundtrack. Sure the train crash scene gets loud, but it is mostly ear piercingly high frequencies and not much bass (especially compared to the standouts in this thread). That's why there are so many complaints about it from the bassheads here (myself included). A real train crash would produce tremendous ULF and subsonic (read: below 20Hz) content. This is completely missing from Super 8.
ULF = Ultra Low Frequencies. Meaning frequencies below 20Hz.
Some movies go DEEP, as in down to single digit Hz (there are a few with substantial content down to 3Hz). The problem is, your system has to be capable of reproducing ULF at fairly high SPLs and this is pretty uncommon. The vast majority of subwoofers have a frequency response that falls off a cliff below 20-25 Hz. In other words, they can't reproduce ULF to any appreciable degree to be felt (note they're subsonic, i.e. below the commonly held lowest audible frequency of 20Hz. Frequencies below that aren't heard, they're felt, but ONLY if a system can reproduce them at high enough SPLs). Oh, and there aren't ANY speakers I'm aware of that can reproduce 20Hz and below at appreciable SPLs that don't cost an arm, a leg and numerous other body parts, and even at stratospheric prices, it's still rare.
What does your setup consist of? A quick list will tell us if it's capable of decent ULF output.
As far as movies with ULF, check the first post for all the 5-star movies. They all have prodigious ULF in certain scenes. One of my all time favorite ULF demo scenes is still the alien tripod emerging from the ground in the remake of 'War Of The Worlds' starring Tom Cruise.
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For a scene that doesn't contain much bass, the train crash/derailment scene in Super 8, rattles the windows and shakes my whole room, whenever I sample it.
It's my favorite demo scene and I like it better than the tripode emergence scene in War of the Worlds, for shear chest pounding impact.

Now my go-to demo scene is the first 15-20 minutes of Avengers.
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For a scene that doesn't contain much bass, the train crash/derailment scene in Super 8, rattles the windows and shakes my whole room, whenever I sample it.
It's my favorite demo scene and I like it better than the tripode emergence scene in War of the Worlds, for shear chest pounding impact.

Yes Super 8 proves that a movie does not need to contain much ULF to be a great bass movie. Anyone all hang up on how much ULF a movie contains and passes on this one is just missing out.
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There is no real subsonic content to speak of in Super 8. For some silly reason, they filtered the audio on that soundtrack. Sure the train crash scene gets loud, but it is mostly ear piercingly high frequencies and not much bass (especially compared to the standouts in this thread). That's why there are so many complaints about it from the bassheads here (myself included). A real train crash would produce tremendous ULF and subsonic (read: below 20Hz) content. This is completely missing from Super 8.

For a scene that doesn't contain much bass, the train crash/derailment scene in Super 8, rattles the windows and shakes my whole room, whenever I sample it.
It's my favorite demo scene and I like it better than the tripode emergence scene in War of the Worlds, for shear chest pounding impact.
Never said the scene doesn't have bass, I said it is filtered and lacks SUBSONICS, i.e below 20Hz info which is just plain silly when you have a multiton object bouncing around.

In your case, since the SVS PB12-NSD and BIC F12's roll off below 20Hz, the point is moot. Your setup can't reproduce the low end in the pod scene in WOTW.

For what it's worth, the resonant frequency of my windows is about 41 Hz. Compared to my calibrated subs, my Boston Acoustics E100's powered by Emotiva XPA-1's rattle the windows WAY more than the pair of Seaton Submersive HP calibrated subs do, partly because my room has a modal peak in the low 40 Hz region. The Legacy Focus SEs sans room correction exacerbate this even more as there's a HUGE hump in that region without XT32.

One of the reasons I chose the SubM HP was because it has some of the best low frequency extension in a non-DIY sub available, and can dig into the single digit Hz region in my room, but even these pale in comparison to something like bossobass's setup.


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