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Yes.

Full frequency range down to well below 20Hz makes a huge difference in quality and realism, and this can be experienced with very reasonable gear today, if you don't play loud you can buy commercial subs capable of below 20Hz extension, for a reasonable price in a reasonably sized package.
Even without earth-quake capacity, the difference can easily be heard.

The filtering causes boomy, rumbling bass without character and articulation, it is just annoying when played loud.
A good soundtrack, on the other hand, will sound better the louder you turn it up, with impact and punch and atmosphere.

Kind of makes you wonder what these studios have for monitoring - if the speakers are low quality or not properly set up, it will always sound boomy and rumbling and there will be no difference with high quality source material.

This is a very tragic trend, especially today when the lossless sound formats could be capable of delivering really spectacular sound quality.

Another trend I see is reviewers giving soundtracks a fantastic rating when the quality obviously is mediocre.
This is a problem because if the producers see that their audience are happy, the soundtracks will never improve.
Is this because the reviewers have lesser equipment in their home theaters?
That may be part of the problem, but a competent reviewer should be able to listen and observe beyond minor faults in the reproduction chain - all real-world systems will have limitations.
It is really a question of competence, on how to listen and how to observe audio quality.

Thats the thing most of these studios have amazing setups to mix the theatrical mix on but when they switch over to the nearfield mix setup to do the BD mix its just a small nearfield monitor setup. Bottom line is they need no more HP filters down low and they need to give us the theatrical soundtrack on the disk

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I will be giving Pacific Rim a spin tonight .

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I'm still buying, I got PR today, I tend to judge movies as a whole as whether or not its collection or rental worthy. Besides my sub has love for all bass, its not like the under 25hz are the only bass frequencies but they are indeed missed when not present wink.gif

Is this a movies with bass thread or just a movies with ULF bass thread only ?

Both.

However the criteria for which a movie is rated as good or bad is dependent on whether the bass in the movie goes in to the ULF department. This is why bass in the mid range is neglected in this thread. We do still acknowledge this. If your subs don't go too low, then a movie like Pacific Rim or TDKR could be a 5 star for you. smile.gif
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I just watched the first 17 minutes of Pacific Rim and it is just non stop bass. I do however have new woofage, but this movie is rocking!! Reminds me allot of Transformers DOTM.
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Other than The Hobbit, Man Of Steel is the most disappointing bass movie this year, imo. If you're gonna have a steep hpf at 30 Hz, at least make the 30 plus stuff loud! Really, really disappointed. :-(
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Just watched PR. Thought it was a decent flick but had to crank the sub up another 4db above the usual 6db hot it's usually set at to get more out of it. Watched it on Vudu w/DD+ at -10. I tend to get an experience pretty close to BD as far as bass is concerned with Vudu with the few movies I rented and liked enough to buy. Not the picture quality of BD but not at all bad.
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Other than The Hobbit, Man Of Steel is the most disappointing bass movie this year, imo. If you're gonna have a steep hpf at 30 Hz, at least make the 30 plus stuff loud! Really, really disappointed. :-(

Really? That is so disappointing to hear. Did you watch it on BD or a file?
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Other than The Hobbit, Man Of Steel is the most disappointing bass movie this year, imo. If you're gonna have a steep hpf at 30 Hz, at least make the 30 plus stuff loud! Really, really disappointed. :-(
That sucks. This is the one movie I have been waiting for.

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Both.

However the criteria for which a movie is rated as good or bad is dependent on whether the bass in the movie goes in to the ULF department. This is why bass in the mid range is neglected in this thread. We do still acknowledge this. If your subs don't go too low, then a movie like Pacific Rim or TDKR could be a 5 star for you. smile.gif

That is just ONE criteria for a lot of us and certainly does not automatically make or break the LFE experience as a whole for me. Some filtered tracks harm the overall experience more than others. Something like The Hobbit is a train wreck, but something like Transf 3 (again, just my opinion) is still a killer overall experience LFE and otherwise (even if it is not quite as good as it could be with better extension).

Having said that, I thought PR was a flat out BLAST in the low end department. Sure, not the deepest digger which would have made it that much better, but what a powerhouse! I thought it supported the on screen action very well and was just a flat out LOUD and potent bass fest which again really drove the on screen action home VERY well IMO. This is just an all out powerhouse bass assault which will be either a good or bad thing depending on the listener. I loved it considering the film!

I watched at -1 from ref and run my subs hot by ~8-10db below ~50hz (flat up to that point) and this bass track was a riot!

Throw in reference PQ and this was a great blind buy for me. Looking forward to the 3d version next watch which will be in the next day or so. FUN!
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Really? That is so disappointing to hear. Did you watch it on BD or a file?

T'was a file ripped from a BR. But others have had the same impression, including a posted graph a page or 2 back. I thought PR wasn't that great, but it definitely had more heft to it than Man Of Steel. The graph showed a steep hpf at 30 Hz and another at 20, I believe. Wasn't a huge fan of the movie itself, either, but there were so many opportunities for some real sub action gone to waste.

People think I'm insane for watching and rewatching some of the classic demo scenes, but I need my bass fix when I'm so often disappointed by new stuff that SHOULD be great!
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Just finished Real Steel. What an unexpected treat that soundtrack was maybe the dynamic range was compressed a tad more than I liked, but wow very impressive overall.
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Yes.

Full frequency range down to well below 20Hz makes a huge difference in quality and realism, and this can be experienced with very reasonable gear today, if you don't play loud you can buy commercial subs capable of below 20Hz extension, for a reasonable price in a reasonably sized package.
Even without earth-quake capacity, the difference can easily be heard.

The filtering causes boomy, rumbling bass without character and articulation, it is just annoying when played loud.
A good soundtrack, on the other hand, will sound better the louder you turn it up, with impact and punch and atmosphere.

Kind of makes you wonder what these studios have for monitoring - if the speakers are low quality or not properly set up, it will always sound boomy and rumbling and there will be no difference with high quality source material.

This is a very tragic trend, especially today when the lossless sound formats could be capable of delivering really spectacular sound quality.

Another trend I see is reviewers giving soundtracks a fantastic rating when the quality obviously is mediocre.
This is a problem because if the producers see that their audience are happy, the soundtracks will never improve.
Is this because the reviewers have lesser equipment in their home theaters?
That may be part of the problem, but a competent reviewer should be able to listen and observe beyond minor faults in the reproduction chain - all real-world systems will have limitations.
It is really a question of competence, on how to listen and how to observe audio quality.

Thats the thing most of these studios have amazing setups to mix the theatrical mix on but when they switch over to the nearfield mix setup to do the BD mix its just a small nearfield monitor setup. Bottom line is they need no more HP filters down low and they need to give us the theatrical soundtrack on the disk

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What a disappointment PR was. After Oblivion and WWZ, that one was quite bad. One note bass it seems with not depth. Its sad when the drone in Oblivion has a deeper bass than the huge monsters in PR, pretty sad. Man of Steel on the other hand was mixed using this http://www.amazon.com/RCA-RTS735E-Home-Theater-Sound/dp/B008KP4MQU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1381902634&sr=8-2&keywords=sound+bar , pathetic.
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Are the reviews coming in on Pacific Rim, blu ray reviews or streaming reivews.? I read one review on here that the clip lights never shut off on the amps? I mean who is telling the truth here? I picked up my BR copy also picked up a Hijacking due to high ratings on rotten tomatoes. Just waiting on my Triax's to get here this afternoon. smile.gif

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Both.

However the criteria for which a movie is rated as good or bad is dependent on whether the bass in the movie goes in to the ULF department. This is why bass in the mid range is neglected in this thread. We do still acknowledge this. If your subs don't go too low, then a movie like Pacific Rim or TDKR could be a 5 star for you. smile.gif

No way! anything filtered will be 5 star for bass, I was just trying to show the upper bass a little love as we are stuck with it on some soundtracks. 3.5 or how ever many stars for bass in movies are simply what they are, regardless of one's sub or subs capability wink.gif
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That is just ONE criteria for a lot of us and certainly does not automatically make or break the LFE experience as a whole for me. Some filtered tracks harm the overall experience more than others. Something like The Hobbit is a train wreck, but something like Transf 3 (again, just my opinion) is still a killer overall experience LFE and otherwise (even if it is not quite as good as it could be with better extension).

Having said that, I thought PR was a flat out BLAST in the low end department. Sure, not the deepest digger which would have made it that much better, but what a powerhouse! I thought it supported the on screen action very well and was just a flat out LOUD and potent bass fest which again really drove the on screen action home VERY well IMO. This is just an all out powerhouse bass assault which will be either a good or bad thing depending on the listener. I loved it considering the film!

I watched at -1 from ref and run my subs hot by ~8-10db below ~50hz (flat up to that point) and this bass track was a riot!

Throw in reference PQ and this was a great blind buy for me. Looking forward to the 3d version next watch which will be in the next day or so. FUN!

Score! I can't wait till tomorrow night. wink.gif
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I just finished watching Pacific Rim in bluray 3D in my awesome awesome home theater system and I absolutely loved it! It was 2 hours 11 minutes and 16 seconds of pure bass heaven! I even finished the entire credit too and at the last second a very sweet burst of bass at the very end. Wow! I never spend $30 for a bluray before. My price point has always been $15 or less. But for Pacific Rim, totally worth every penny!

Check out the special feature disk especially the Drift Space scene, lots of bass there.

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Just watched Pacific Rim again ithis time in 3D. Damn this movie has some amazing 3D! Visuals are just amazing and some much depth in every scene. This really is a super loud movie and there is bass all over the place. Wish it went deeper but It was still a blast especially in 3D.
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Just for reference can someone run a side by side graph of Cloverfield vs Pacific Rim? I would like to see the difference in extension and level, pretty please?

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That would be interesting to see. I would have to think Cloverfield has more extension, but level would be a closer match. PR certainly has more run time with bass moments as this thing is packed to the gills.

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All that bass all the time is what lowers it's dynamic value. If we keep seeing these graphs which are great and they are much easier to do then we need WOTW and the other 5 star movies done so we can reference them. I know D-B did them but the scale is different. We need the graphs and levels all to be the same for a comparison. This way we can see what the differences are between how WOTW feels to say PR. This also can aide people in deciding if the ULFS are worth it or not, maybe they like loud midbass over deep extension. Of course their system would have to provide both for a fair assessment.

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All that bass all the time is what lowers it's dynamic value. If we keep seeing these graphs which are great and they are much easier to do then we need WOTW and the other 5 star movies done so we can reference them. I know D-B did them but the scale is different. We need the graphs and levels all to be the same for a comparison. This way we can see what the differences are between how WOTW feels to say PR.
I believe I read that PR only went to 19hz
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I believe I read that PR only went to 19hz

Yes, but that is much better than Avengers. I can still enjoy a movie with 20hz bass although I prefer 3 hz! The level of PR is 5 stars and to 19hz it won't be that bad. If this had 3 star levels and 20hz extension it would be much worse. Now 5 star level and extension is what we want all the time!
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Does anyone have a graph of "The Town" BD - Charlestown bank robbers with Ben Affleck - where the Boston police throw a stun grenade into basement of Red Sox stadium?
It seems like it was very low (20 Hz) and powerful.

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Yes, but that is much better than Avengers. I can still enjoy a movie with 20hz bass although I prefer 3 hz! The level of PR is 5 stars and to 19hz it won't be that bad. If this had 3 star levels and 20hz extension it would be much worse. Now 5 star level and extension is what we want all the time!

Yup. I can still enjoy a movie as long as we at least get some decent 20hz stuff. Preferably moreso down to 15hz or so .... but yeah.... these arbitrary cutoff points are lame.

Professional mixing studios really need to improve their system's capability for bass extension. It's just as easy said and done. What's a couple extra grand for a worthy upgrade? I bet these places spend as much on lunch. tongue.gif
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